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Arrington Effectively Banned at The Skeptical Zone (and Then Reinstated)

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It seems like every day one of the denizens of The Skeptical Zone whines about what they perceive to be heavy handed moderation tactics here at UD. They say no one is ever banned at The Skeptical Zone and everyone is free to say whatever they like. I decided to test that and signed up to comment at The Skeptical Zone. All of my comments – every single one of them – were deleted. They effectively banned me after my very first attempt to post there. Here is what KN said to justify the deletion:

I am more than willing to be a bully in order to prevent a bully from taking over a space that I enjoy using for philosophical discussions. I’m not claiming any moral high ground here — I’ll leave that to Lizzie — but rather a “my boat ain’t the rutting town hall” approach. Any one here have a problem with that? Good. I didn’t think so.

I’ll let that speak for itself. I also assume that will be the end of the “everyone is so much freer to speak at The Skeptical Zone” blithering.

UPDATE: As the comments below show, Neil Rickert dug my comments out of the trash and re-posted them. First he pretended they had been “just moved” and were always visible. (See comment 1) When that subterfuge was no longer tenable he fessed up and admitted they had been trashed and retrieved.

SECOND UPDATE: Elizabeth Liddle has given me posting privileges at TSZ. I will contemplate on whether to use them.

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LOL. You guys have got a lot of time on your hands.Mapou
November 27, 2013
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Neil, your attempt to spin this is truly pathetic. Really, have you no shame?
LOL. I'm not spinning anything. My comment #14 consists of time data, with no attempt to interpret motives. But one addendum is in order. My RSS reader is "akregator", which has been running for almost 3 days. It is running under KDE 4.11.2, under opensuse 13.1. The opensuse 13.1 was installed some time on Nov 20th. Two of the times that I listed are approximate (from memory), and listed as "approx". The other times all come directly from the akregator display. However, akregator shows the times in my local time zone (CST), so I added 6 hours to get the UTC times.Neil Rickert
November 27, 2013
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Neil, your attempt to spin this is truly pathetic. Really, have you no shame? Barry Arrington
November 27, 2013
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No doubt Neil can confirm ...
All times here are UTC, for Nov 12th. 2:12 Barry's post. This went into moderation (first post of new member) 2:35 approx - post released from moderation. 2:50 approx - I noticed Barry's post was back in moderation, and some replies were in trash. I began restoration. 2:57 KN posts about deleting. 3:09 I reply to KN, saying that I had restored to sandbox cont'd. 5:46 Barry posts this thread, asserting that his posts are deleted. The times that I list as "approx" are from my recollection, and could be off by a few minutes. The other times are taken from the posting time displayed in my RSS reader, and those times are probably in header lines of the posts themselves, though hard to find. For sure, they are in the data made available to RSS readers.Neil Rickert
November 27, 2013
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Well, one thing we can all conclude from this is that everyone is free to speak at TSZ provided they and a bunch of other people have half the night or something to hassle about it. You've got company; that's how they do it in Soviet Shattabanana too. Mileage varies; we prefer more time sensitive approaches here. Lotta stories, lotta ground to cover.News
November 27, 2013
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G2: This is one case where -- sadly -- a reply to the man is appropriate. First, you are the person who is having the vapours over the self evident truth:
And of course we come to: it is SET that it would be wrong to kidnap, torture, rape and murder a child. With corollary, that if such is in progress we are duty-bound to intervene to save the child from the monster.
That speaks volumes. On the point you tried to assert, it is generally speaking false. As can be seen all over this blog for years, many disagree and comment. While there are problems at UD, the real and material problem is abusive commentary by objectors, a reflection of far worse -- outright slander and libel -- elsewhere, and there is another problem of insistently willful obtuseness to the point that it frustrates reasonable and sober discussion. As you full well know or should know. But then, it is -- for cause [cf. the linked] -- sadly, an open question whether you see yourself as having duties of care to truth, fairness and respect for those who dare differ with you and your agenda. Cho, man, do betta dean dat! KFkairosfocus
November 27, 2013
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GP - thanks. Mind you SH would simply have asked Neil.Mark Frank
November 27, 2013
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Mark: Better than Sherlock Holmes! :)gpuccio
November 27, 2013
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#7 wenzelitis
Chain of events -KN deleted Barry’s posts -Barry posted here- Neil saw Barry’s post here and quickly/sneakily restored deleted posts in different section so he could call out Barry while simultaneously making TSZ appear innocent and just
No doubt Neil can confirm this but the timing of various comments makes this very implausible and it is quite fun doing the detective work. (It is necessary to understand that there is a six hour difference between TSZ and UD times). The key times are: * KN’s comment that he had deleted Barry’s comments – 2:57 am. * Neil’s comment on TSZ that he had restored Barry’s comments – 3:09 am * UD does not give the timings for OPs so we don’t know exactly when Barry posted here. We do know that it was after 2:57 am because he quotes from KN’s comment. * The first comment on Barry’s OP is Neil’s explaining the posts had been restored is timed at 12:36 am UD time which is 6:36 am TSZ time. Therefore, for your scenario the following must have happened in the course of 12 minutes: * KN made his comment. * Barry happened to monitoring TSZ and saw the comment. * Barry posted the OP  on UD. * By coincidence Neil happened to be looking at UD and saw Barry’s OP, rushed back to TSZ to restore the comments, and made his comment. Then over three hours later drew Neil drew Barry’s attention to it.Mark Frank
November 27, 2013
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Are we talking about the same Barry that bans people if they dont agree with him ?Graham2
November 27, 2013
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chain of events -KN deleted Barry's posts -Barry posted here -Neil saw Barry's post here and quickly/sneakily restored deleted posts in different section so he could call out Barry while simultaneously making TSZ appear innocent and justwentzelitis
November 27, 2013
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To be fair I see that KN initially deleted Barry's comments and then Neil restored them and put them in the sandbox. So at the time of writing Barry's OP was probably accurate. I think KN was wrong, it is not in the spirit of TSZ to delete stuff, and Neil did the right thing.Mark Frank
November 27, 2013
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CR@2 chuckle chuckleUpright BiPed
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Just go and look.Alan Fox
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Let me repeat what Neil says. You are wrong Barry. All your comments are visible and there is even one response welcoming you to TSZ and offering you authoring rights. Your comment was clearly not relevant to the thread to which it was posted and was therefore moved to the Sandbox. In the light of this might you consider correcting your OP which is very misleading.Mark Frank
November 26, 2013
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The Firefly philosopher apparently adopts the same methods of policing his thread as Arrington does his blog. Shiny.Chance Ratcliff
November 26, 2013
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I decided to test that and signed up to comment at The Skeptical Zone. All of my comments – every single one of them – were deleted.
No, they are all quite visible. They were just moved to the sandbox, where they are not off-topic.Neil Rickert
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