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Brain’s memory rivals that of Web, petabyte range?

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hippocampus tissue featuring two synapses/Salk Institute

From Salk Institute:

“This is a real bombshell in the field of neuroscience,” says Terry Sejnowski, Salk professor and co-senior author of the paper, which was published in eLife. “We discovered the key to unlocking the design principle for how hippocampal neurons function with low energy but high computation power. Our new measurements of the brain’s memory capacity increase conservative estimates by a factor of 10 to at least a petabyte, in the same ballpark as the World Wide Web.”

The Salk team, while building a 3D reconstruction of rat hippocampus tissue (the memory center of the brain), noticed something unusual. In some cases, a single axon from one neuron formed two synapses reaching out to a single dendrite of a second neuron, signifying that the first neuron seemed to be sending a duplicate message to the receiving neuron.

At first, the researchers didn’t think much of this duplicity, which occurs about 10 percent of the time in the hippocampus. But Tom Bartol, a Salk staff scientist, had an idea: if they could measure the difference between two very similar synapses such as these, they might glean insight into synaptic sizes, which so far had only been classified in the field as small, medium and large.

It was known before that the range in sizes between the smallest and largest synapses was a factor of 60 and that most are small.

But armed with the knowledge that synapses of all sizes could vary in increments as little as eight percent between sizes within a factor of 60, the team determined there could be about 26 categories of sizes of synapses, rather than just a few.

“Our data suggests there are 10 times more discrete sizes of synapses than previously thought,” says Bartol. In computer terms, 26 sizes of synapses correspond to about 4.7 “bits” of information. Previously, it was thought that the brain was capable of just one to two bits for short and long memory storage in the hippocampus.

“This is roughly an order of magnitude of precision more than anyone has ever imagined,” says Sejnowski.

What makes this precision puzzling is that hippocampal synapses are notoriously unreliable. When a signal travels from one neuron to another, it typically activates that second neuron only 10 to 20 percent of the time.

“We had often wondered how the remarkable precision of the brain can come out of such unreliable synapses,” says Bartol. One answer, it seems, is in the constant adjustment of synapses, averaging out their success and failure rates over time. The team used their new data and a statistical model to find out how many signals it would take a pair of synapses to get to that eight percent difference.

The researchers calculated that for the smallest synapses, about 1,500 events cause a change in their size/ability (20 minutes) and for the largest synapses, only a couple hundred signaling events (1 to 2 minutes) cause a change.

“This means that every 2 or 20 minutes, your synapses are going up or down to the next size. The synapses are adjusting themselves according to the signals they receive,” says Bartol.

The findings also offer a valuable explanation for the brain’s surprising efficiency. The waking adult brain generates only about 20 watts of continuous power—as much as a very dim light bulb.More.

The hope is to generate computers that can think. The problem with that view lies in an equivocation in one sentence in the PR: “Our memories and thoughts are the result of patterns of electrical and chemical activity in the brain.”

No. Those patterns are the evidence that these ideas are passing through, evidence that can be observed. In the same way, the rows of characters on a screen are evidence that the PR itself is passing through—in this case, patterns that were intended to be read for their meaning outside the brains in which they originated.

One wonders whether life consists mostly of patterns of information moving through time, perhaps more powerfully than we ever expected.

See also: Neuroscience tried wholly embracing naturalism, but then the brain got away


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Here’s the abstract:

Information in a computer is quantified by the number of bits that can be stored and recovered. An important question about the brain is how much information can be stored at a synapse through synaptic plasticity, which depends on the history of probabilistic synaptic activity. The strong correlation between size and efficacy of a synapse allowed us to estimate the variability of synaptic plasticity. In an EM reconstruction of hippocampal neuropil we found single axons making two or more synaptic contacts onto the same dendrites, having shared histories of presynaptic and postsynaptic activity. The spine heads and neck diameters, but not neck lengths, of these pairs were nearly identical in size. We found that there is a minimum of 26 distinguishable synaptic strengths, corresponding to storing 4.7 bits of information at each synapse. Because of stochastic variability of synaptic activation the observed precision requires averaging activity over several minutes. (Public access) – Nanoconnectomic upper bound on the variability of synaptic plasticity, Bartol et al. November 30, 2015 Cite as eLife 2015;4:e10778

The important thing is the realization of the great power of the memory. The problem is they see the memory as part of the brain, a secondary part. Yet I say the brain is only a memory machine connecting the soul and body. It should not be surprising to see the mower of the memory. It is just difficult to see it in the wiring. Computers can't think because memory does not think. If one had a person with only a memory and a person withy a memory and what we are normally WOULD it be obvious?? Yes. The memory person would be just like your computer except better. Yet quiet and have nothing on its mind. We do all the thinking and only use our memory. Its a trap to misunderstand the memory is the thinker. Computers never will think as people or animals do or probably plants. Robert Byers
No wonder I can never remember anything, my brain is having to do twice the work! Mung
“We discovered the key to unlocking the design principle for how hippocampal neurons function with low energy but high computation power.
Terry Sejnowski believes in ID? I say, "Expel the creationist crackpot!" Mapou
From the original article: "This apparent limitation may have several advantages. First, the stochastic variability might reflect a sampling strategy designed for energetic efficiency since it is the physical substrate that must be stable for long-term memory retention, not the read out of individual spikes (Laughlin and Sejnowski, 2003). Second, some algorithms depend on stochastic sampling, such as the Markov Chain Monte Carlo algorithm that achieves estimates by sampling from probability distributions, and can be used for Bayesian inference (Gamerman and Lopes, 2006). Each synapse in essence samples from a probability distribution with a highly accurate mean, which collectively produces a sample from the joint probability distribution across all synapses. A final advantage derives from the problem of overfitting, which occurs when the number of parameters in a model is very large. This problem can be ameliorated by ‘drop out’, a procedure in which only a random fraction of the elements in the model are used on any given trial (Wan et al., 2013; Srivastava et al., 2014). Drop out regularizes the learning since a different network is being used on every learning trial, which reduces co-adaptation and overfitting." This complex behavior of the synapses does not of course in any way imply 'design', natural selection (or random drift) can easily explain it all. wsread
Right, Jim Smith at 1, it is the fundamental nturalism error (FNA). As noted above: "Those patterns are the evidence that these ideas are passing through, evidence that can be observed. In the same way, the rows of characters on a screen are evidence that the PR itself is passing through—in this case, patterns that were intended to be read for their meaning outside the brains in which they originated." Whatever the ideas are, they aren't simply the chemical signals. News
I see a problem with the possibility that the brain can compute, store information, or represent ideas. A computer can compute, store information, and represent ideas. That is not consciousness. A computer is not aware. Consciousness is awareness, subjective experience, including awareness of information, computation, and ideas. And attributing a function to the brain function doesn't necessarily mean we lose it when disembodied. When you have information on tablet computer, you can have the same information in the cloud or on a pc. Jim Smith

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