And you just know how desperate they are to get to yes:
A new study on animal calls has found that the patterns of barks, whistles, and clicks from seven different species appear to be more complex than previously thought. The researchers used mathematical tests to see how well the sequences of sounds fit to models ranging in complexity.
In fact, five species including the killer whale and free-tailed bat had communication behaviors that were definitively more language-like than random. The study was published online Wednesday in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B.
But why would anyone have supposed that the patterns were random?
âWe’re still a very, very long way from understanding this transition from animal communication to human language, and it’s a huge mystery at the moment,â said study author and zoologist Arik Kershenbaum, who did the work at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis. âThese types of mathematical analyses can give us some clues.â
Maybe, but the big problem isnât language, itâs rationality.
The reason animal communication is simple is that the animal doesnât think much and so doesnât have many different things to say. So the âhuge mysteryâ is still the development of the human mind.
Never fear: Someone will (if they havenât already) get to yes re animal language just by altering the meaning of âtrue language.â And telling us all that we are species-ist for doubting that barks, whistles and clicks are languages just like English and Chinese.
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Well, perhaps they’re right on that – my children have a dog and a cat that seem to communicate better than I do with people I talk to đ
Also, if we look at some discussions in this blog, we notice a kind of poor communication between two opposite irreconcilable worldview positions đ
I don’t recall seeing that kind of misunderstanding between my children’s pets, hence their language must be pretty advanced. đ
Unless that has to do with the pets sharing the same worldview?
Could that be it?
Anyway, this subject is above my pay grade đ
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How can we know our pets’ worldview? by the way they treat us? đ
As to the competing hypothesis that we actually were ‘made in the image of God’ and that there actually may be profound ‘spiritual’ differences that separate man from animals, no less than Ian Tattersall, emeritus curator of the American Museum of Natural History, expresses wonder at the stark âspiritualâ differences between man and apes,,,
here are a few more notes along this line;
Even Alfred Wallace, co-discoverer of Natural Selection, who certainly had far more field work observing animals than Charles Darwin did, conceded, spiritually speaking, that âThe difference between man and the other animals is unbridgeableâ,,,
And it is also interesting to note that the exact place where Man most drastically differentiates from animals, i.e. in this ability to produce information, is the exact place where Darwinian evolution has failed to achieve empirical validation. i.e. the failure to demonstrate the generation of information by purely material processes.
It should not be surprising that the material processes of Darwinian evolution would be found to be grossly inadequate to generate information. Information simply cannot be reduced to a material basis:
In fact by using a âquantum information channelâ of entanglement, such as they use in quantum computation, physicists have reduced material to quantum information. (of note: energy is completely reduced to quantum information, whereas matter is semi-completely reduced, with the caveat being that matter can be reduced to energy via e=mc2).
In fact an entire human can, theoretically, be reduced to quantum information and teleported to another location in the universe:
Thus not only is information not reducible to a energy-matter basis, as is presupposed in Darwinism, but in actuality both energy and matter ultimately reduce to a information basis as is presupposed in Christian Theism (John1:1).
It also interesting to point out that the foundation of reality itself is found to be âinformation theoreticâ in its basis, not materialistic in its basis
Thus the fact that the universe is âinformation theoreticâ in its basis, and the fact that the âspiritual differencesâ that most drastically separate us from the animals, i.e. our ability to use and create information, both correspond, is striking confirmation for the Theistic claim that we are made in Godâs image:
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What is the difference between matter and energy if e=mc^2
âWeâre still a very, very long way from understanding this transition from animal communication to human language, and itâs a huge mystery at the moment,â
It isn’t a mystery, it’s a fairtytale. Since humans were never anything other than human, and no evidence exists to prove otherwise, a link from animal communication to human language will never be found. This is nothing more than sophistry from the Darwin faithful.
The main difference between energy and mass, that really stands out for me, is that mass is temporal whereas energy is eternal. i.e. It is shown that time, as we understand it temporally, does not pass at the speed of light:
To grasp the whole âtime coming to a complete stop at the speed of lightâ concept a little more easily, imagine moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light. Would not the hands on the clock stay stationary as you moved away from the face of the clock at the speed of light? Moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light happens to be the same âthought experimentâ that gave Einstein his breakthrough insight into e=mc2.
Here is another interesting, thought provoking, video along that line:
Moreover, as the huge particle accelerators that have been built testify, regardless of how much energy we pour into a particle of matter, we can never ‘push’ the particle of matter to the speed of light:
The reason why there is such a sharp division between the temporal realm of mass and the eternal realm of energy is that energy is of a higher dimensional value than matter is.
To illustrate this ‘higher dimensional’ point, please note what happens at the 3:22 minute mark of the following video, when the 3-Dimensional world âfolds and collapsesâ into a tunnel shape around the direction of travel as a ‘hypothetical’ observer moves towards the âhigher dimensionâ of the speed of light,,
Here is the interactive website, with link to the relativistic math at the bottom of the page, related to the preceding video;
It is also important to note higher dimensions would be invisible to our physical 3 Dimensional sight. The reason why âhigher dimensionsâ are invisible to our 3D vision is best illustrated by âFlatlandâ:
It is also very interesting to note that this strange higher dimensional, eternal, framework for time, found in special relativity (and also in general relativity), finds corroboration in Near Death Experience testimonies:
The tunnel to a higher dimension is also noted in Near death experiences:
Supplemental notes:
Of related interest:
If scientists want to find the source for the supernatural light which made the “3D – photographic negative” image on the Shroud I suggest they look to the thousands of documented Near-Death Experiences (NDE’s) in Judeo-Christian cultures. It is in their testimonies that you will find mention of an indescribably bright ‘Light’ or ‘Being of Light’ who is always described as being of a much brighter intensity of light than the people had ever seen before.
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“Savage-Rumbaugh studies bonobos — a relative of ours that, like chimpanzees, shares 98 to 99 percent of human genes. When you spend all day with bonobos, she says, “the differences don’t loom very large… They look like us, care like us, smell like us, think like us. They are like us.”
Smell like us … a bit like Chanel #5. Think like us… hence Darwinism. Noam Chomsky. What would he know? It’s nothing, really. Just look here: http://whyfiles.org/058language/ape_talk.html
And then there’s “Nim Chimpsky”…
So Behe responds to Moran today, they are foaming at the mouth over at Sandwalk and UD is silent on the exchange?
Drawing My Discussion with Laurence Moran to a Close – Michael Behe – August 26, 2014
Excerpt: there’s no a priori requirement that Earth contain any life at all, or that any life that does exist be able to successfully traverse a mutational pathway by Darwinian means to give rise to a form of life significantly different from itself.
In the absence of an a priori requirement, science is obliged to investigate whether or not such pathways exist. Right now the evidence we have in hand militates strongly against it.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....89331.html
Well Dr.It Doolittle, tust be nice to understand what animals think about.
ba77: What an interesting discussion on light and energy. Off the OT, but good. Thanks.
leodp, thank you and Yes, light and energy, and how they relate to mass, is a fascinating area of study. I’m glad you found brief my comments and links interesting.
One could argue that Atheistic materialism, without even appealing to the weirdness of quantum mechanics, is falsified from this one area of study alone:
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“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
William Shakespeare – Hamlet