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Granville Sewell and Daniel Styer have a thing in common: both wrote an article with the same title “Entropy and evolution”. But they reach opposite conclusions on a fundamental question: Styer says that the evolutionist “compensation argument” (henceforth “ECA”) is ok, Sewell says it isn’t. Here I briefly explain why I fully agree with Granville. The ECA is an argument that tries to resolve the problems the 2nd law of statistical mechanics (henceforth 2nd_law_SM) posits to unguided evolution. I adopt Styer’s article as ECA archetype because he also offers calculations, which make clearer its failure.

The 2nd_law_SM as problem for evolution.

The 2nd_law_SM says that a isolated system goes toward its more probable macrostates. In this diagram the arrow represents the 2nd_law_SM rightward trend/direction:

organization … improbable_states … systems ====>>> probable_states

Sewell says:

“The second law is all about using probability at the microscopic level to predict macroscopic change. […] This statement of the second law, or at least of the fundamental principle behind the second law, is the one that should be applied to evolution.”

The physical evolution of a isolated system passes spontaneously through macrostates with increasing values of probability until arriving to equilibrium (the most probable macrostate). Since organization is highly improbable a corollary of the 2nd_law_SM is that isolated systems don’t self-organize. That is the opposite of what biological evolution pretends.

See the picture:

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Styer’s ECA.

Since the 2nd_law_SM applies to isolated systems the ECA says: the Earth E is not a isolated system, then its entropy can decrease thanks to an entropy increase (compensation) in the surroundings S (wrt to the energy coming from the Sun). Unfortunately to consider open the systems is useless, because, as Sewell puts it:

“If an increase in order is extremely improbable when a system is closed, it is still extremely improbable when the system is open, unless something is entering which makes it not extremely improbable.”

Here is how Styer applies the ECA to show that “evolution is consistent with the 2nd law”.
Suppose that, due to evolution, each individual organism is 1000 times more improbable that the corresponding individual was 100 years ago (Emory Bunn says 1000 times is incorrect, it should be 10^25 times, but this is a detail). If Wi is the number of microstates consistent with the specification of an initial organism I 100 years ago, and Wf is the number of microstates consistent with the specification of today’s improved and less probable organism F, then

Wf = Wi / 1000

At this point he uses Boltzmann’s formula:

S = k * ln (W)

where S = entropy, W = number of microstates, k = 1.38 x 10^-23 joules/degrees, ln = logarithm.

Then he calculates the entropy change over 100 years, and finally the entropy decrease per second:

Sf – Si = -3.02 x 10^-30 joules/degrees

By considering all individuals of all species he gets the change in entropy of the biosphere each second: -302 joules/degrees. Since he knows that the Earth’s physical entropy throughput (due to energy from the Sun) each second is: 420 x 10^12 joules/degrees he concludes: “at a minimum the Earth is bathed in about one trillion times the amount of entropy flux required to support the rate of evolution assumed here”, then evolution is largely consistent with the 2nd law.

The problem in Styer’s argument (and in general in the ECA).

Although it could seem an innocent issue of measure units the introduction of the Boltzmann’s formula with k = 1.38 x 10^-23 joules/degrees in this context is a conceptual error. With such formula the ECA has transformed a difficult problem of probability (in connection with the arise of ultra-complex organized systems) into a simple issue of energy (“joule” is unit of energy, work, or amount of heat). This assumes a priori that energy is able to organize organisms from sparse atoms. But such assumption is totally gratuitous and unproved. That energy can do that is exactly what the ECA should prove in the first place. So Styer’s ECA begs the question.

Similarly Andy McIntosh (cited by Sewell) says:

Both Styer and Bunn calculate by slightly different routes a statistical upper bound on the total entropy reduction necessary to ‘achieve’ life on earth. This is then compared to the total entropy received by the Earth for a given period of time. However, all these authors are making the same assumption—viz. that all one needs is sufficient energy flow into a [non-isolated] system and this will be the means of increasing the probability of life developing in complexity and new machinery evolving. But as stated earlier this begs the question…

The Boltzmann’s formula in the ECA, with its introduction of joules of energy, establishes a bridge between probabilities and the joules coming from the Sun. Unfortunately this link is unsubstantiated here because no one has proved that joules cause biological organization. On the contrary, in my previous post “The illusion of organizing energy” I explained why any kind of energy per se cannot create organization in principle. To greater reason, thermal energy is unable to the task. In fact, heat is the more degraded and disordered kind of energy, the one with maximum entropy. So the ECA would contain also an internal contradiction: by importing entropy in E one decreases entropy in E!

The problem of Boltzmann’s formula, as used in the ECA, is then “to buy” probability bonus with energy “money”. Sewell expresses the same concept with different words:

The compensation argument is predicated on the idea […] that the universal currency for entropy is thermal entropy.

That conversion / compensation is not allowed if one hasn’t proved at the outset a direct causation role of energy in producing the effect, biological organization, which is in the opposite direction of the 2nd_law_SM rightward arrow (extreme left on the above diagram). In a sense the ECA conflates two different planes. This wrong conflation is like to say that a roulette placed inside a refrigerated room can easily output 1 million “black” in a row because its entropy is decreased compared to the outside.

Note that evolution doesn’t imply a single small deviation from the trend, quite differently it implies countless highly improbable processes happened continually in countless organisms during billion years. Who claims that evolution doesn’t violate the 2nd_law_SM, would doubt a violation if countless tornados always turned rubble into houses, cars and computers for billion years? Sewell asks (backward tornado is the metaphor he uses more). In conclusion Roger Caillois is right: “Clausius and Darwin cannot both be right.”

Implausibility of evolution.

Styer’s paper is also an opportunity to see the problem of evolution from a probabilistic viewpoint. You will note the huge difference of difficulty of the probabilistic scenario compared to the above enthusiastic thermal entropy scenario, with potentially 1,000,000,000,000 times evolution!
In Appendix #2 he proposes a problem for students: “How much improved and less probable would each organism be, relative to its (possibly single-celled) ancestor at the beginning of the Cambrian explosion? (Answer: 10 raised to the 1.8 x 10^22 times)”. Call this monster number “a”, Wi = the initial microstates, Wf = the final microstates, W = the total microstates. According to Styer’s answer (which is correct as calculation) we have:

Wf = Wi / a

The probability of the initial macrostate is Wi / W. The probability of the final macrostate is Wf / W. Suppose Wf = 1, then Wi is = a. W must be equal or greater a otherwise (Wi / W) would be greater than 1 (impossible). Therefore the probability to occur of the final macrostate is:

(Wf / W) equal or less (1 / a)

This is the probability of evolution of a single individual organism in the Cambrian:

1 on 10 raised to the 1.8 x 10^22

a number with more than 10^22 digits (10 trillion billion digits). This miraculous event had to occur 10^18 times, for each of other organisms.

Dembski’s “universal probability bound” is:

1 / 10^150

1 on a number with “only” 150 digits. Therefore evolution is far beyond the plausibility threshold. In conclusion: the ECA fails to prove that “evolution is consistent with the 2nd law”, and we have also a proof of the implausibility of evolution based on probability.

Some could object: “you cannot have both ways, if the ECA is wrong then Appendix #2 is wrong too, because it uses the same method, then the evolution probability is not correct”.
Answer: the method is biased toward evolution both in ECA and in Appendix #2. This means the evolution probability is even worse than that, and the implausibility of evolution holds to greater reason.

Comments
Piotr
You should be able to get the drift by now, Andre. Seed-producing plants evolved from spore-producing plants, as Zachriel explained above. “A plant” is not only the mature sporophyte, but the whole life-cycle, including the production of spores or seeds. It’s the cycle that has evolved, and not just “the tree”. There was a time when the reproductive cycle of very distant oak ancestors was like that of modern ferns.
What came first the spore or the spore producing plant?Andre
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Yet more nonsence from Salvador:
LLN and variations of Jonathan Wells Humpty Dumpty argument I think have proven themselves in the arena of debate. Maybe even more tersely, extrapolating Pasteur, “life does not come from non-life.”
Please express these "arguments" in basic probabilty terms. Salvador:
Basic probability will do the job, and basic probability is clear and unassailable.
Do tell.Mung
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Salvador:
I’ve argued against using information theory type arguments in defense of ID, it adds way too much confusion. Basic probability will do the job, and basic probability is clear and unassailable.
You expressed this to Bill Dembski? What did he say? This is hilarious, really. One of your best posts ever. ID should avoid information theory and stick to probability.Mung
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Salvador:
The problem is the definition of “thermodynamic configuration”. This is not exactly helped by the fact that material scientists and engineers and physicist have some differing views on what “configurational entropy” means!
Why do you think that “thermodynamic configuration” is the same as “configurational entropy”? Please define your terms. Define “thermodynamic configuration.” Define “configurational entropy.”Mung
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Zachriel:
Hail is ultra-improbable based on the chance arrangement of microstates. It takes work to make a hailstone.
So? You are so clueless, I don't know why I waste my time. Your posts appear as just so much hail. I'm sure you worked hard to produce them, but so what?Mung
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The exact same definition from a website with "biology" in the name. http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Ultimate Satisfied? peacefifthmonarchyman
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zac says, you might want to provide a scientific definition of “ultimate”. I say, As usual I might have known your response to a simple observation would be to try and introduce ambiguity into common English words. "it depends on what the definition of is is" Not sure about the universe you inhabit but This definition works just fine in mine. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ultimatefifthmonarchyman
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fifthmonarcyman: It’s easy to scientifically verify that Oaks and Acorns are equally ultimate just try to get one without the other. Seed plants evolved from spore plants. In any case, you might want to provide a scientific definition of "ultimate".Zachriel
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Zac says, That’s all very nice, but has no scientific validity. I say, By scientific of course you mean agreeing with Zac's idea of how the world works. It's easy to scientifically verify that Oaks and Acorns are equally ultimate just try to get one without the other. ;-) peacefifthmonarchyman
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Piotr says, How do you decide that, for example, the English oak, the canyon live oak, the Japanese evergreen oak, and the bamboo-leaf oak from SE Asia belong to the same genus? I say, I have no problem with labels based on perceived decent but in most cases Phenetics works better. peacefifthmonarchyman
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You could say that like the chicken and the egg the Oak and the acorn are equally ultimate.
Ultimate? What kind of explanation is that? The sort of thing you say to curious children to make them stop asking questions? In both cases the cycle has a long history and is traceable back to the beginnings of sexual reproduction in unicellular eukaryotes, when a gamete was not very different from a diploid individual except for the fact that it carried half the genetic information (one copy of each chromosome). But as I was saying, it's past midnight here and I have to get up early, so good night and see you tomorrow.Piotr
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fifthmonarchyman: You could say that like the chicken and the egg the Oak and the acorn are equally ultimate. That's all very nice, but has no scientific validity. fifthmonarchyman: Of course there is another way of looking at the world. It’s possible that the platonic Forms have real existence outside the cave and are discovered by humans instead of arbitrarily defined by us. That might work for triangles, but not for most taxonomic ranks.Zachriel
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Piotr says, The question was not how a seed becomes a tree but “what was first, the oak or the acorn?” How else can I answer, if not moving back in evolutionary time? I say, You could say that like the chicken and the egg the Oak and the acorn are equally ultimate. But that answer never even occurred to you. you say, A genus is not a fundamental category in any way. We attach generic names to units characterised by a certain, rather arbitrary, degree of relationship. It’s a “rank” defined by humans, not a natural one. I say, Of course according to materialism the fundamental things are always "the many" particles in motion never "the one" thing that we observe. Of course there is another way of looking at the world. It's possible that the platonic Forms have real existence outside the cave and are discovered by humans instead of arbitrarily defined by us. But you can't even entertain that possibility. Your worldview won't allow it peacefifthmonarchyman
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fifth, 1. In a historical process, the history is the explanation. The question was not how a seed becomes a tree but "what was first, the oak or the acorn?" How else can I answer, if not moving back in evolutionary time? Now we are back to the time of the first land plants reproducing by means of spores. It's late where I am, so I'll continue tomorrow. 2. There is no magical "essence of being an oak". A genus is not a fundamental category in any way. We attach generic names to units characterised by a certain, rather arbitrary, degree of relationship. It's a "rank" defined by humans, not a natural one. As I have already said, there are at least 600 species of plants called "oak". They share some common innovations (also mentioned above) due to their shared ancestry. That's all. How do you decide that, for example, the English oak, the canyon live oak, the Japanese evergreen oak, and the bamboo-leaf oak from SE Asia belong to the same genus? They aren't even particularly similar to one another, except for the fact that they all produce characteristic acorns.Piotr
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Piotr asks: What makes an oak an oak? I say, What makes a quark a quark? Exactly the same thing that makes an oak an oak and it does it in exactly the same way I'm sorry your worldview does not allow you to see that simple truth. peacefifthmonarchyman
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WOW. Zac says the primary mechanism that turns a seed to into an oak is photosynthesis and Piotr attempts to give an evolutionary history of oaks as if that is relevant. This is what happens when your worldview is locked into the bottom up and is unable to think in terms of top down causation. It's like we live in different universes. Is it any wonder that we talk past each other? peacefifthmonarchyman
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#565 Andre,
Whether it is a plant or a tree they all need seeds. So what came first? The plant or the seed?
You should be able to get the drift by now, Andre. Seed-producing plants evolved from spore-producing plants, as Zachriel explained above. "A plant" is not only the mature sporophyte, but the whole life-cycle, including the production of spores or seeds. It's the cycle that has evolved, and not just "the tree". There was a time when the reproductive cycle of very distant oak ancestors was like that of modern ferns. We even have transitional fossils from the middle Devonian (Runcaria), 385 million years ago, with units of reproduction that were half-way between spores and true seeds. There was a megasporangium where pollination took place, producing an embryonic plant, just as in seed-plants, except that the "proto-seed" was without a solid protective coat, and the fertilisation mechanism was less sophisticated. So there's a chain of pretty smooth transitions, from the earliest vascular plants producing spores to oak-trees bearing acorns.Piotr
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Piotr:
What makes an oak an oak, Joe?
No one knows, Piotr. Thank you evolutionary biology for not even being able to answer the basic question of biology. And that is also why universal common descent isn't science.Joe
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CJYman, scordova, I do really appreciate your constructive criticism. Unfortunately we have been talking past each other to a certain extent. I hope that my post #216 has cleared up some of the issues. Do you have any problems with that comment (other than the syllogism — I just re-phrased it and posted to TLZ)
I appreciate the conversation as well.
The other part of the argument that I am discussing deals with the thermodynamic configuration and how it changes and can be directed
The problem is the definition of "thermodynamic configuration". This is not exactly helped by the fact that material scientists and engineers and physicist have some differing views on what "configurational entropy" means! The most common denominator of 2LOT entropy would be from Clausius, a concept which proceeds from his definition of 2LOT:
Heat can never pass from a colder to a warmer body without some other change, connected therewith, occurring at the same time
Note, 2LOT is expressed in terms of "heat" and "temperature", exactly analogous to the units entropy is usually expressed in, namely, J/K -- where J is heat into the system and K is temperature. It is no coincidence thermodynamic entoropy is expressed in J/K even though as I've shown J/K is dimensionless except to point out it is counting energy microstates. Configurations began to be in play with thing like "mixing entropy" and then position and momentum began to be important. But even then J/K still is the measure of thermodynamic entropy and this sort of configuration isn't the configuration of interest to ID proponents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_of_mixing
I disagree that there are fundamental differences between the ID measures of information. I’ll write up an explanation again (just lost the last one) with my next post.
I've argued against using information theory type arguments in defense of ID, it adds way too much confusion. Basic probability will do the job, and basic probability is clear and unassailable. The mutliplicities of interest to ID proponents don't vary with temperature, whereas the multiplicities from a thermodynamic perspective change with temperature. I find that very problematic for invoking 2LOT in defense of ID. Algorithmically controlled metabolisms (such as realized in life) are low multiplicity constructs as a matter of principle. They are high in information content. But why add more jargon and terminology? Most people understand "complex-computer-like machines such a living creatures are far from the expected outcome of random processes". This is a subtle assertion of LLN. This is a different way of posing the Humpty Dumpty problem. There are an infinite number of ways to make lock-and-key or login/password systems, but just because there are infinite number of ways to do this does not make them highly probable from random processes. In fact this is far from expectation. In like manner the many lock-and-key and login/password analogies in algorithmic metabolisms found in life are far from expectation even though hypothetically there might be an infinite number of ways to implement complex life. Life occupies a low multiplicity state far from expectation from a high entropy ensemble of configurations and evidences high information -- but why use such fancy terms like "multiplicity" and "entropy" and "information"? Why invoke 2LOT? Why invoke fancy terms that add confusion? One deliberately uses unclear arguments when one wishes to obfuscate, but why be unclear when evidence is on one's side? At issues, even more fundamental than ID vs. non-ID is whether life is far from the expected outcome of random chemical and physical processes. Even supposing invoking 2LOT in favor of ID is correct (something I only grant for the sake of argument), why go there when LLN states the problem in much more clear and forceful terms? LLN and variations of Jonathan Wells Humpty Dumpty argument I think have proven themselves in the arena of debate. Maybe even more tersely, extrapolating Pasteur, "life does not come from non-life."scordova
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#559
So you have no idea what makes an oak an oak. Got it.
What makes an oak an oak, Joe?Piotr
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How did they emerge before they moved onto land? Why did they move onto land selection pressures? I thought you said plants stayed in one place because food come to them? What is it going to be?Andre
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Andre: Seeds evolved from spores how quaint and convenient for spores and plants!!!! Seeds didn't always exist, and there is evidence of how the transition occurred in incremental steps. Andre: I might ask you then where did spores come from? Sporopollenin-walled haploid spores evolved when plants moved onto land.Zachriel
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Silver Asiatic Ah so death increases fitness? Survival of the fittest is true whether you live or die. Evolution sure is smart even smarter than God!!!! Amazing!!!Andre
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Piotr As I can guess they developed together? I don't want to guess anything I want you to show me how it happened... Whether it is a plant or a tree they all need seeds. So what came first? The plant or the seed? Stop fanning about and show how a tree or plant grew without a seed only then to develop seeds. How did trees emerge without seeds Piotr?Andre
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Andre'
Where did seasonal plants that only live for about 1 season get the time to evolve this trait? I wonder by trial and error?
I guess it's a lot easier to survive when you die after one year then if you live for many years like some plants do. Species that live for a long time must have some kind of survival disadvantage because they live so long and are more robust. Don't worry, it all makes sense. Evolutionists said so.Silver Asiatic
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Seeds evolved from spores how quaint and convenient for spores and plants!!!! Have you ever considered that you have lost your mind? I might ask you then where did spores come from? Did they just emerge?Andre
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CJY... Nope. :)Upright BiPed
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Piotr Where did seasonal plants that only live for about 1 season get the time to evolve this trait? I wonder by trial and error? Please do pray tell.......Andre
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Upright Biped, Just have to ask .. any underscores or miscellaneous dots?CJYman
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Piotr:
A name is just a label.
So you have no idea what makes an oak an oak. Got it.
There is a clade consisting of closely related tree species (about 600) which we label “oaks”. Any clade is defined by its common innovations. In the case of oaks the main morphological innovations (modifications of the ancestral state) are single pistillate flowers and “valveless” cupules (not splitting into sections, as in chestnuts or beeches), only partly encasing the fruit.
To ID a "clade" is a common design and all of its spinoffs.Joe
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