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A current rhetorical tack of objections to the design inference has two facets:

(a) suggesting or implying that by moving research focus to Active Information needle in haystack search-challenge linked Specified Complexity has been “dispensed with” [thus,too, related concepts such as FSCO/I]; and

(b) setting out to dismiss Active Information, now considered in isolation.

Both of these rhetorical gambits are in error.

However, just because a rhetorical assertion or strategy is erroneous does not mean that it is unpersuasive; especially for those inclined that way in the first place.

So, there is a necessity for a corrective.

First, let us observe how Marks and Dembski began their 2010 paper, in its abstract:

Needle-in-the-haystack problems look for small targets in large spaces. In such cases, blind search stands no hope of success. Conservation of information dictates any search technique will work, on average, as well as blind search. Success requires an assisted search. But whence the assistance required for a search to be successful? To pose the question this way suggests that successful searches do not emerge spontaneously but need themselves to be discovered via a search. The question then naturally arises whether such a higher-level “search for a search” is any easier than the original search. We prove two results: (1) The Horizontal No Free Lunch Theorem, which shows that average relative performance of searches never exceeds unassisted or blind searches, and (2) The Vertical No Free Lunch Theorem, which shows that the difficulty of searching for a successful search increases exponentially with respect to the minimum allowable active information being sought.

That is, the context of active information and associated search for a good search, is exactly that of finding isolated targets Ti in large configuration spaces W, that then pose a needle in haystack search challenge. Or, as I have represented this so often here at UD:

csi_defnUpdating to reflect the bridge to the origin of life challenge:

islands_of_func_chall

In this model, we see how researchers on evolutionary computing typically confine their work to tractable cases where a dust of random walk searches with drift due to a presumably gentle slope on what looks like a fairly flat surface is indeed likely to converge on multiple zones of sharply rising function, which then allows identification of likely local peaks of function. The researcher in view then has a second tier search across peaks to achieve a global maximum.

This of course contrasts with the FSCO/I [= functionally specific, complex organisation and/or associated information] case where

a: due to a need for multiple well-matched parts that

b: must be correctly arranged and coupled together

c: per a functionally specific wiring diagram

d: to attain the particular interactions that achieve function, and so

e: will be tied to an information-rich wiring diagram that

f: may be described and quantified informationally by using

g: a structured list of y/n q’s forming a descriptive bit string

. . . we naturally see instead isolated zones of function Ti amidst a much larger sea of non-functional clustered or scattered arrangements of parts.

This may be illustrated by an Abu 6500 C3 fishing reel exploded view assembly diagram:

abu_6500c3mag

. . . which may be compared to the organisation of a petroleum refinery:

Petroleum refinery block diagram illustrating FSCO/I in a process-flow system
Petroleum refinery block diagram illustrating FSCO/I in a process-flow system

. . . and to that of the cellular protein synthesis system:

Protein Synthesis (HT: Wiki Media)
Protein Synthesis (HT: Wiki Media)

. . . and onward the cellular metabolic process network (with the above being the small corner top left):

cell_metabolism

(NB: I insist on presenting this cluster of illustrations to demonstrate to all but the willfully obtuse, that FSCO/I is real, unavoidably familiar and pivotally relevant to origin of cell based life discussions, with implications onward for body plans that must unfold from an embryo or the like, OOL and OOBP.)

Now, in their 2013 paper on generalising their analysis, Marks, Dembski and Ewert begin:

All but the most trivial searches are needle-in-the-haystack problems. Yet many searches successfully locate needles in haystacks. How is this possible? A success-ful search locates a target in a manageable number of steps. According to conserva-tion of information, nontrivial searches can be successful only by drawing on existing external information, outputting no more information than was inputted [1]. In previous work, we made assumptions that limited the generality of conservation of information, such as assuming that the baseline against which search perfor-mance is evaluated must be a uniform probability distribution or that any query of the search space yields full knowledge of whether the candidate queried is inside or outside the target. In this paper, we remove such constraints and show that | conservation of information holds quite generally. We continue to assume that tar-gets are fixed. Search for fuzzy and moveable targets will be the topic of future research by the Evolutionary Informatics Lab.

In generalizing conservation of information, we first generalize what we mean by targeted search. The first three sections of this paper therefore develop a general approach to targeted search. The upshot of this approach is that any search may be represented as a probability distribution on the space being searched. Readers who are prepared to accept that searches may be represented in this way can skip to section 4 and regard the first three sections as stage-setting. Nonetheless, we sug-gest that readers study these first three sections, if only to appreciate the full gen-erality of the approach to search we are proposing and also to understand why attempts to circumvent conservation of information via certain types of searches fail. Indeed, as we shall see, such attempts to bypass conservation of information look to searches that fall under the general approach outlined here; moreover, conservation of information, as formalized here, applies to all these cases . . .

So, again, the direct relevance of FSCO/I and linked needle in haystack search challenge continues.

Going further, we may now focus:

is_ o_func2_activ_info

In short, active information is a bridge that allows us to pass to relevant zones of FSCO/I, Ti, and to cross plateaus and intervening valleys in an island of function that does not exhibit a neatly behaved objective function. And, it is reasonable to measure it’s impact based on search improvement, in informational terms. (Where, it may only need to give a hint, try here and scratch around a bit: warmer/colder/hot-hot-hot. AI itself does not have to give the sort of detailed wiring diagram description associated with FSCO/I.)

It must be deeply understood, that the dominant aspect of the situation is resource sparseness confronting a blind needle in haystack search. A reasonably random blind search will not credibly outperform the overwhelmingly likely failure of the yardstick, flat random search. Too much stack, too few search resources, too little time. And a drastically improved search, a golden search if you will, itself has to be found before it becomes relevant.

That means, searching for a good search.

Where, a search on a configuration space W, is a sample of its subsets. That is, it is a member of the power set of W, which has cardinality 2^W. Thus it is plausible that such a search will be much harder than a direct fairly random search.  (And yes, one may elaborate an analysis to address that point, but it is going to come back to much the same conclusion.)

Further, consider the case where the pictured zones are like sandy barrier islands, shape-shifting and able to move. That is, they are dynamic.

This will not affect the dominant challenge, which is to get to an initial Ti for OOL then onwards to get to further islands Tj etc for OOBP.  That is doubtless a work in progress over at the Evolutionary Informatics Lab, but is already patent from the challenge in the main.

To give an outline idea, let me clip a summary of the needle-to-stack challenge:

Our observed cosmos has in it some 10^80 atoms, and a good atomic-level clock-tick is a fast chem rxn rate of perhaps 10^-14 s. 13.7 bn y ~10^17 s. The number of atom-scale events in that span in the observed cosmos is thus of order 10^111.

The number of configs for 1,000 coins (or, bits) is 2^1,000 ~ 1.07*10^301.

That is, if we were to give each atom of the observed cosmos a tray of 1,000 coins, and toss and observe then process 10^14 times per second, the resources of the observed cosmos would sample up to 1 in 10^190 of the set of possibilities.

It is reasonable to deem such a blind search, whether contiguous or a dust, as far too sparse to have any reasonable likelihood of finding any reasonably isolated “needles” in the haystack of possibilities. A rough calc suggests that the ratio is comparable to a single straw drawn from a cubical haystack ~ 2 * 10^45 LY across. (Our observed cosmos may be ~ 10^11 LY across, i.e. the imaginary haystack would swallow up our observed cosmos.)

Of course, as posts in this thread amply demonstrate the “miracle” of intelligently directed configuration allows us to routinely produce cases of functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated information well beyond such a threshold. For an ASCII text string 1,000 bits is about 143 characters, the length of a Twitter post.

As just genomes for OOL  start out at 100 – 1,000 k bases and those for OOBP credibly run like 10 – 100+ mn bases, this is a toy illustration of the true magnitude of the problem.

The context and challenge addressed by the active information concept is blind needle in haystack search challenge, and so also FSCO/I. The only actually observed adequate cause of FSCO/I is intelligently directed configuration, aka design. And per further experience, design works by injecting active information coming from a self-moved agent cause capable of rational contemplation and creative synthesis.

So, FSCO/I remains as best explained on design. In fact, per a trillion member base of observations, it is a reliable sign of it. Which has very direct implications for our thought on OOL and OOBP.

Or, it should. END

Comments
60 Elizabeth Liddle May 3, 2015 at 8:50 am
Finch beaks and antibiotic resistance are not controversial. Molecules-to-man via an undirected non-teleological non-frontloaded purely material process is controversial. To facilitate dialog and avoid equivocation I call the former "adaptation" and the latter Darwinian evolution (or blind watchmaker evolution). If you don't like that choice of words, then go ahead and pick two different words that you can live with and use them consistently. If you think the mechanisms underlying them are identical, then use third word (different) word for that mechanism. ~cantor
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cantor: Darwin is spinning in his grave. Darwinian has several related definitions, but usually refers to evolution by natural selection. How are you using the term?Zachriel
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53 Elizabeth Liddle May 3, 2015 at 8:11 am So it’s Darwinian.
Darwin is spinning in his grave. It's futile trying to have a logical discussion with someone who has their own private definitions. ~cantor
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Cantor:
Stop playing word games Elizabeth. Dawkins did become a multi-millionaire by writing 13 books about finch beaks.
I am not "playing word games", cantor. By "blind-watchmaker evolution", as I understand him, Dawkins was referring to precisely the process that in the short term leads to generation-by-generation changes to the mean depth of finch-beaks in the Galapagos depending on whether recent weather cycles have favored the abundance of large or small seeds, and, in the long term, generation-by-generation change that leads to the adaptation of wings into flippers, or scales into feathers, or fins into wrists, etc. You seem to think that somehow two different processes are postulated - they aren't. Alternatively, you think that somehow what works for finch-beaks over a short time scale, can't work for much more extensive adaptions over a longer time scale. Dawkins doesn't think so, and nor do I. So, far from "equivocating" I simply don't accept that there are two different meanings to the term "adaptation". Where are you drawing the line? Or, alternatively, how are you defining the meaning of the term "evolution" in the context of the discussion? Because in the context of the math of evolutionary searches, the process is identical to the process postulated to account for finch-beaks. If you think that something else is required for larger changes, than that isn't what people refer to as "evolutionary search".Elizabeth Liddle
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48 Elizabeth Liddle May 3, 2015 at 8:03 am Finch beak evolution is exactly what Dawkins described as “blind-watchmaker evolution”.
Stop playing word games Elizabeth. Dawkins didn't become a multi-millionaire by writing 13 books about finch beaks. ~cantor
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While it’s hard to pin ID down, front-loading usually means that functional genes already exist in the ancestor in a dormant form.
Only in a gene-centric front-loading scenario.
Of course that’s entirely consistent with evolution
Front-loading is evolution you cowardly equivocator. Grow up already.
This is different from the “designed to evolve” claim, which just adds an extraneous entity to the process.
That is your uneducated opinion, anyway. However it should be noted that your brand of evolution can't even be modeled and has no entailments beyond change, stasis, disease and deformities.Joe
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Elizabeth Liddle: Ewert, Dembski and Marks of course are now arguing, as you are, that those provisions are themselves Active Information, which you might regard as having been “front-loaded” into the system While it's hard to pin ID down, front-loading usually means that functional genes already exist in the ancestor in a dormant form. So, for instance, front-loaders point out that many of the proteins used in nerves predate nerves. Of course that's entirely consistent with {evolutionary co-option}, but they take that as evidence of front-loading, that the designer preconceived and planned for nerves and brains. This is different from the "designed to evolve" claim, which just adds an extraneous entity to the process. - Edited for clarity.Zachriel
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Elizabeth- You don't even have a mechanism capable of getting beyond populations of prokaryotes and that is given starting populations of prokaryotes.Joe
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That is your opinion, Lizzie and only an opinion. Present some so we can take a look.Joe
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There isn’t any evidence tat finch beak evolution occurred via accumulations of genetic accidents, errors and mistakes. Lizzie is equivocating, again.
Yes, there is, Joe. Scads of it.Elizabeth Liddle
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What you are describing above sounds like front-loaded design, not Darwinian evolution. Was that your intent?
If you want to describe a system in which similar genotypes produce similar phenotypes which have similar properties vis a vis the environment, as front-loading, then feel free. But that was Darwin's starting point - what happens when you have such a system. So it's Darwinian. Ewert, Dembski and Marks of course are now arguing, as you are, that those provisions are themselves Active Information, which you might regard as having been "front-loaded" into the system - but in that case, the ID argument is not against the effectiveness of Darwinian evolution (which is effective) but against the case that only an ID could have designed a system in which genotypes would arise that produce phenotypes that have similar real-world properties. Which is not anti-Darwinian at all, and certainly not anti-blind-watchmaker. Such a system would be blind - but would still produce well-adapted populations of diverse organism, which was Darwin's point.Elizabeth Liddle
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cantor: What you are describing above sounds like front-loaded design, not Darwinian evolution. That sunlight emanates from a single source that moves in a regular cycle while plants grow upward towards the sky is due to Apollo crossing the sky in a fiery chariot and the plants' desire to touch the gods.Zachriel
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There isn't any evidence tat finch beak evolution occurred via accumulations of genetic accidents, errors and mistakes. Lizzie is equivocating, again.Joe
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Weasel was discredited as evidence for natural selection. It has nothing to do with biological evolution. All evolutionary and genetic algorithms are in that category. Not one supports natural selection. Not supports Darwinian nor neo-Darwinian evolution.Joe
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41 Elizabeth Liddle May 3, 2015 at 7:48 am clustering does provide “information” in the sense in which Ewert, Dembski and Marks use the term, whether that is the clustering of fitnesses around phenotypes, or the clustering of environmental properties with similar environmental properties. It appears to be a ubiquitous property of our universe, from sub-atomic to intergalactic scales (as I said elsewhere recently) and it is that property that makes smooth fitness landscapes possible.
What you are describing above sounds like front-loaded design, not Darwinian evolution. Was that your intent? ~cantor
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Cantor:
What you just posted is the ultimate bait-and-switch equivocation: the claim that blind-watchmaker evolution is simply finch beaks writ large. And that claim, Elizabeth, is controversial.
Well, it shouldn't be. Finch beak evolution is exactly what Dawkins described as "blind-watchmaker evolution". Why do you think it isn't?Elizabeth Liddle
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kairosfocus: from an algorithm it should be possible to implement the process. Where do you feel the algorithm is wanting? kairosfocus: Likewise the actual history of adaptations we have observational evidence of is of minor changes, not body plan level origins. Yes, you keep repeating that. We might start with the historical record, which shows a pattern of incremental adaptation. kairosfocus: What’s the difference, if any, between what you posted above and Dawkins’ thoroughly discredited “Weasel” program? Weasel is a simplified implementation of an evolutionary algorithm. It doesn't have crossover, for one. It has a very simple fitness landscape for another. There nothing discredited about Weasel. It's just highly simplified.Zachriel
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What’s the difference, if any, between what you posted above and Dawkins’ thoroughly discredited “Weasel” program?
Weasel is not "discredited" Cantor. It was just a very simplistic model in which phenotype=genotype=fitness function.. In real evolution these things are all separate, and, specifically, the phenotype and genotype with optimal fitness is not known in advance (in Weasel, it was, obviously). So when I use the system Zachriel describes to find a solution to a problem, I do not know the solution in advance (or I wouldn't bother to use the system). The system finds an optimal solution to my problem. All I have to do is to make sure that candidate solutions that partly solve it breed with higher problems than candidate solutions that solve it less well. Which is exactly how finch-beaks work, and antibiotic resistance, and is exactly what Darwin proposed.Elizabeth Liddle
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41 Elizabeth Liddle May 3, 2015 at 7:48 am I would hope adaptation is non-controversial. But if it is, then Darwinian evolution is non-controversial, as that is what it is – adaptation.
What you just posted is the ultimate bait-and-switch equivocation: the claim that blind-watchmaker evolution is simply finch beaks writ large. And that claim, Elizabeth, is controversial. ~cantor
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What is the evidence that Darwinian evolution can provide adaptation? And no "evolutionary search" does not equal Darwinian evolution. Intelligent Design Evolution is an evolutionary search and it isn't Darwinian. You have no idea what is being debated and your ignorance is amusing.Joe
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35 Zachriel May 3, 2015 at 7:07 am 1. Evaluate the individual fitness of each member of population; 2. Compare each indvidual to landscape to determine best fit individuals; 3. Breed new individuals through mutation and crossover to give birth to offspring; 4. Replace least-fit population with new individuals.
What's the difference, if any, between what you posted above and Dawkins' thoroughly discredited "Weasel" program? ~cantor
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Z, from an algorithm it should be possible to implement the process. From an outline, it will not. Likewise the actual history of adaptations we have observational evidence of -- as opposed to gross extrapolations and inferences controlled by questionable evolutionary materialist a priori assumptions -- is of minor changes [e.g. finch beaks], not body plan level origins [e.g. origin of flying birds]. We also have strong reason to understand that functionally specific complex interactive organisation will come in isolated islands in large configuration spaces of possible clumped or scattered arrangements of parts, and that such will not be amenable to incremental blind needle in haystack search. I find it highly significant to see how consistently this issue is ducked or diverted from. KFkairosfocus
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Cantor:
If clustering is information (and in some senses it can be regarded as such), then you are using a definition of information that has nothing to do with design. Lots of processes result in clustering, and most of them are non-biological.
Now you are equivocating Elizabeth. Look at the context of his use of the word “clustering”.
I did. As I said, clustering does provide "information" in the sense in which Ewert, Dembski and Marks use the term, whether that is the clustering of fitnesses around phenotypes, or the clustering of environmental properties with similar environmental properties. It appears to be a ubiquitous property of our universe, from sub-atomic to intergalactic scales (as I said elsewhere recently) and it is that property that makes smooth fitness landscapes possible. To be specific: because similar genotypes have similar phenotypes (e.g. your children are like, but not identical to you), and because similar phenotypes have similar properties vis a vis the resources and threats of the environment (long legs are good for running, whether they are 30 cm or 29), then organisms that reproduce as biological organisms do will find themselves on a smooth fitness landscape. You could argue that the universe we live in, in which such things are possible, is itself unlikely but that's not an argument about evolution.
Both are examples of fast adaptive evolution.
More equivocation. Adaptation is non-controversial. Finch beaks and antibiotic resistance is not what we are discussing here.
I would hope adaptation is non-controversial. But if it is, then Darwinian evolution is non-controversial, as that is what it is - adaptation. There are other factors in evolution that Darwin did not consider, e.g. drift, but adaptive evolution is what Origin is about. So if you are discussing something other than Darwinian evolution, you might be in the wrong thread! That's what "evolutionary search" is.Elizabeth Liddle
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cantor: Firstly, if you don’t know what information means in the context of ID then you shouldn’t be posting about it until you take the time and effort to educate yourself. With regards to the environment, you had said, “certain types of local clustering” is information. The environment is highly ordered, and it ordered in a way that is amendable to evolutionary processes. Here's your original statement: cantor: Only because the information is front-loaded into the landscape (or the search). In biology, the landscape is the natural world, including other organisms. The natural world isn't random, but highly ordered. We can model the evolutionary process with an evolutionary algorithm. cantor: Secondly, you didn’t bother to clarify what you meant by “evolution” in your post #27. Depends on which statement. We referred to both biological evolution and evolutionary algorithms. cantor: Look at the context of his use of the word “clustering”. Elizabeth Liddle correctly read our comment, saying "Lots of processes result in clustering, and most of them are non-biological." kairosfocus: Pardon but you have given a general outline not an algorithm. An algorithm is step-by-step description of a process, which was provided. The fitness landscape is external to the evolutionary algorithm.Zachriel
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Z, Pardon but you have given a general outline not an algorithm. KFkairosfocus
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36 Elizabeth Liddle May 3, 2015 at 7:16 am If clustering is information (and in some senses it can be regarded as such), then you are using a definition of information that has nothing to do with design. Lots of processes result in clustering, and most of them are non-biological.
Now you are equivocating Elizabeth. Look at the context of his use of the word "clustering".
Both are examples of fast adaptive evolution.
More equivocation. Adaptation is non-controversial. Finch beaks and antibiotic resistance is not what we are discussing here. ~cantor
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35 Zachriel May 3, 2015 at 7:07 am cantor: Firstly, “certain types of local clustering” is information. Depending on your definition of information. For instance, sunlight is highly organized. The strongest radiation comes from a single source, which moves on a regular cycle.
It is very difficult to tell if you are intentionally equivocating or just very uninformed or confused. Firstly, if you don't know what information means in the context of ID then you shouldn't be posting about it until you take the time and effort to educate yourself. Secondly, you didn't bother to clarify what you meant by "evolution" in your post #27. ~cantor
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Cantor:
Firstly, “certain types of local clustering” is information.
If clustering is information (and in some senses it can be regarded as such), then you are using a definition of information that has nothing to do with design. Lots of processes result in clustering, and most of them are non-biological.
Secondly, if by “evolution” you mean and finch beaks and antibiotic resistance then you are equivocating.
No, he is not. Both are examples of fast adaptive evolution.Elizabeth Liddle
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kairosfocus: you are well off on tangents. You brought up punctuated equilibrium. The scientist who devised the theory would certainly have some idea what the theory states. kairosfocus: origin of FSCO/I by blind needle in haystack mechanisms that show an alternative to intelligent injection of active information Your claim is that the landscape is not traversable. Looking at the history of adaptation would surely be relevant. cantor: Firstly, “certain types of local clustering” is information. Depending on your definition of information. For instance, sunlight is highly organized. The strongest radiation comes from a single source, which moves on a regular cycle. Mung: Please post a link to this “standard evolutionary algorithm.”
Generate the initial population of individuals randomly, then repeat the following steps: 1. Evaluate the individual fitness of each member of population; 2. Compare each indvidual to landscape to determine best fit individuals; 3. Breed new individuals through mutation and crossover to give birth to offspring; 4. Replace least-fit population with new individuals.
Mung: What Zachriels meant to say was that you can create different evolutionary algorithms and they will each work for a different landscape, a landscape designed to work for that specific algorithm. Same algorithm. Zachriel: So you now agree that historical evidence can support a scientific hypothesis? Say, the hypothesis that dinosaurs once roamed the Earth? niwrad: No. Seriously? You don't think we can evaluate historical evidence to determine that dinosaurs once roamed the Earth. niwrad: Obviously I don’t agree that historical evidence supports unguided evolution. That wasn't the question. niwrad: The issue is not if “dinosaurs once roamed the Earth”. Your statement was that "The historical record, being a collection of static findings, cannot prove such evolution (= dynamic) by definition." That claim isn't just about evolution, but about a collection of static findings providing evidence of change over time. You even say it is "by definition"! There were once mega-dinosaurs roaming the Earth. Today mega-dinosaurs do not roam the Earth. That is change. The scientific evidence strongly supports that such a change has occurred.Zachriel
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Mung:
Give a different fitness landscape to an algorithm not designed for that landscape and you may not get anything useful from the algorithm.
Thus, we readily see fine tuning as a pattern with such algorithms. KFkairosfocus
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