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Over at The Skeptical Zone, Mikkel “Rumraket” Rasmussen has written a post critical of Dr. Stephen Meyer, titled, Beating a dead horse (Darwin’s Doubt), which is basically a rehash of comments he made on a thread on Larry Moran’s Sandwalk blog last year. The author’s aim is to expose Dr. Stephen Meyer’s “extremely shoddy scholarship,” but as we’ll see, Rasmussen’s own research skills leave a lot to be desired.

Did Dr. Meyer fail to document his sources?

Rasmussen focuses his attack on chapter 10 of Dr. Meyer’s book, “Darwin’s Doubt.” He writes:

Having read the book, a recurring phenomenon is that Meyer time and again makes claims without providing any references for them. Take for instance the claim that the Cambrian explosion requires lots of new protein folds, from Chapter 10 The Origin of Genes and Proteins:

(Rasmussen proceeds to quote from Meyer’s book, on which he comments below – VJT.)

In the whole section Meyer dedicates to the origin of novel folds, he makes zero references that actually substantiate [his assertion] that the [C]ambrian diversification, or indeed any kind of speciation, or the [appearance of] new cells types or organs, require[d] new protein folds. ZERO. Not one single reference that supports these claims. At first it reads like what I quote[d] above, lots of claims, no references. Later on he eventually cites the work of Douglas Axe that atte[m]pts to address how hard it is to evolve new folds (and that work has its own set of problems, but never mind that). Axe makes the same claim in his ID-journal Bio-complexity papers (which eventually Meyers cites), but in Axe’s papers, that claim is not supported by any reference either. It’s simply asserted as fact. In other words, Meyer makes a claim, then cites Axe making the same claim. Neither of them give a reference.

(N.B. For ease of readability, I have used square brackets to correct Rasmussen’s spelling and punctuation errors, and I have also inserted four extra words, without which his meaning would have been obscure to readers, in the preceding paragraph – VJT.)

Rasmussen repeats his accusation that Dr. Meyer frequently makes claims in his book without providing any references for them, at the very end of his post:

Later Meyer gets a ID-complexitygasm when he asserts, again without any support, that:

“The Cambrian animals exhibit structures that would have required many new types of cells, each requiring many novel proteins to perform their specialized functions. But new cell types require not just one or two new proteins, but coordinated systems of proteins to perform their distinctive cellular functions.”

Where does he get this? His ass, that’s where.

Do new cell types require new kinds of proteins?

I find it quite astonishing that Rasmussen would require documentation for Dr. Meyer’s claim that new cell types would require new types of proteins, for three reasons. First, it’s a well-known fact that each different cell type has different cluster of differentiation proteins. Bojidar Kojouharov, a Ph.D. Student in Cancer Immunology, describes these proteins as follows:

Clusters of Differentiation (CD) are cell surface proteins used to differentiate one cell type from another. Each CD marker is a different surface protein from the others. As such, it will likely have different functions and may be expressed on different cells. Technically, different CD markers don’t really have to have anything in common, other than the fact that they are on the cell’s surface. Usually, it’s safe to assume any Clusters of Differentiation is a protein.

Second, it is widely admitted by authors in the field that the complex organisms which appeared in the Cambrian would have required a host of new cell types. Here, for instance, is what P. V. Sukumaran, of the Geological Society of India, says in his paper, Cambrian Explosion of Life: the Big Bang in Metazoan Evolution (RESONANCE, September 2004, pp. 38-50):

Yet another feature of the Cambrian explosion is the quantum jump in biological complexity. The early Cambrian animals had roughly 50 cell types while the sponges that appeared a little earlier had only 5… (p. 44, sidebar)

Unicellular life is relatively simple; there is little division of labour and the single cell performs all functions of life. Obviously the genetic information content of unicellular organisms is relatively meagre. Multicellular life, on the other hand, requires more genetic information to carry out myriads of cellular functions as their cells are differentiated into different cell types, tissues and organs. But new cell types themselves require specialised proteins, and novel proteins arise from novel gene sequences, that is new genetic information. As the organisms that appeared in the Cambrian explosion had many more novel and specialised cell types than their prokaryotic ancestors, the amount of new genetic information that arose in the Cambrian explosion represents a large increase in biological information. (p. 47)

Third, it turns out that Dr. Meyer provided the very references that Rasmussen chides him for failing to supply, over 14 years ago, in his 2001 paper, The Cambrian Explosion: Biology’s Big Bang, which he co-authored with Paul Nelson and Paul Chien, which is listed on page 471 of the bibliography of Dr. Meyer’s book, Darwin’s Doubt. (Actually, the bibliography cites a later and slightly more polished 2003 version of the same paper.) Allow me to quote from pages 32-33 of the 2001 paper (emphases mine – VJT):

As noted, the new animals of the Cambrian explosion would have required many new cell types and, with them, many new types of proteins acting in close coordination. It follows, therefore, that if the neo-Darwinian mechanism cannot explain the origin of new cell types (and the systems of proteins they require), it cannot explain the origin of the Cambrian animals. Yet given the number of novel proteins required by even the most basic evolutionary transformations, this now seems to be precisely the case.

Consider, for example, the transition from a prokaryotic cell to a eukaryotic cell. This transition would have produced the first appearance of a novel cell type in the history of life. Compared to prokaryotes, eukaryotes have a more complex structure including a nucleus, a nuclear membrane, organelles (such as mitocondria, the endoplasmic recticulum, and the golgi apparatus), a complex cytoskeloton (with microtubulues, actin microfilaments117 and intermediate filaments) and motor molecules.118 Each of these features requires new proteins to build or service, and thus, as a consequence, more genetic information. (For example, the spooled chromosome in a modern eukaryotic yeast [Saccharomyces] cell has about 12.5 million base pairs, compared to about 580,000 base pairs in the prokaryote Mycoplasma.)119 The need for more genetic information in eukaryotic cells in turn requires a more efficient means of storing genetic information. Thus, unlike prokaryotic cells which store their genetic information on relatively simple circular chromosomes, the much more complex eukaryotic cells store information via a sophisticated spooling mechanism.120 Yet this single requirement — the need for a more efficient means of storing information — necessitates a host of other functional changes each of which requires new specialized proteins (and yet more genetic information) to maintain the integrity of the eukaryotic cellular system.

For example, nucleosome spooling requires a complex of specialized histones proteins (with multiple recognition and initiation factors) to form the spool around which the double stranded DNA can wind.121 Spooled eukaryotic DNA in turn uses “intron spacers,” (dedicated sections of non-coding DNA), in part to ensure a tight electrostatic fit between the nucleosome spool and the cords of DNA.122 This different means of storing DNA in turn requires a new type of DNA polymerase to help access, “read,” and copy genetic information during DNA replication. (Indeed, recent sequence comparisons show that prokaryotic and eukaryotic polymerases exhibit stark differences).123 Further, eukaryotes also require a different type of RNA polymerase to facilitate transcription. They also require a massive complex of five jointly necessary enzymes to facilitate recognition of the promoter sequence on the spooled DNA molecule.124 The presence of intron spacers in turn requires editing enzymes (including endonucleases, exonucleases and splicesomes) to remove the non-coding sections of the genetic text and to reconnect coding regions during gene expression.125 Spooling also requires a special method of capping or extending the end of the DNA text in order to prevent degradation of the text on linear (non-circular) eukaryotic chromosomes.126 The system used by eukaryotes to accomplish this end also requires a complex and uniquely specialized enzyme called a telomerase.127

Thus, one of the “simplest” evolutionary transitions, that from one type of single-celled organism to another, requires the origin of many tens of specialized novel proteins, many of which (such as the polymerases) alone represent massively complex, and improbably specified molecules.128 Moreover, many, if not most, of these novel proteins play functionally necessary roles in the eukaryotic system as a whole. Without specialized polymerases cell division and protein synthesis will shut down. Yet polymerases have many protein subunits containing many thousands of precisely sequenced amino acids. Without editing enzymes, the cell would produce many nonfunctional polypeptides, wasting vital ATP energy and clogging the tight spaces within the cytoplasm with many large useless molecules. Without tubulin and actin the eukaryotic cytoskeloton would collapse (or would never have formed). Indeed, without the cytoskeleton the eukaryotic cell can not maintain its shape, divide, or transport vital materials (such as enzymes, nutrients, signal molecules, or structural proteins).129 Without telomerases the genetic text on a linear spooled chromosome would degrade, again, preventing accurate DNA replication and eventually causing the parent cell to die.130

Even a rudimentary analysis of eukaryotic cells suggests the need for, not just one, but many novel proteins acting in close coordination to maintain (or establish) the functional integrity of the eukaryotic system. Indeed, the most basic structural changes necessary to a eukaryotic cell produce a kind of cascade of functional necessity entailing many other innovations of design, each of which necessitates specialized proteins. Yet the functional integration of the proteins parts in the eukaryotic cell poses a severe set of probabilistic obstacles to the neo-Darwinian mechanism, since the suite of proteins necessary to eukaryotic function must, by definition, arise before natural selection can act to select them.

References:
117 Russell F. Doolittle, “The Origins and Evolution of Eukaryotic Proteins,” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London B 349 (1995): 235-40.
118 Stephen L. Wolfe, Molecular and Cellular Biology (Belmont, CA: Wadsworth, 1993), pp. 3, 6-19.
119 Rebecca A. Clayton, Owen White, Karen A. Ketchum, and J. Craig Ventner, “The First Genome from the Third Domain of Life,” Nature 387 (1997): 4459-62.
120 Stephen L. Wolfe, Molecular and Cellular Biology, pp. 546-50.
121 Ibid.
122 H. Lodish, D. Baltimore, et. al., Molecular Cell Biology (New York: W.H. Freeman, 1994), pp. 347-48. Stephen L. Wolfe, Molecular and Cellular Biology, pp. 546-47.
123 Edgell and Russell Doolittle, “Archaebacterial genomics: the complete genome sequence of Methanococcus jannaschii,” BioEssays 19 (no. 1, 1997): 1-4. Michael Y. Galperin, D. Roland Walker, and Eugene V. Coonin, “Analogous Enzymes: Independent Inventions in Enzyme Evolution,” Genome Research 8 (1998): 779-90.
124 Stephen L. Wolfe, Molecular and Cellular Biology, pp. 580-81, 597.
125 Ibid., pp. 581-82, 598-600, 894-96.
126 Ibid., p. 975.
127 Ibid., pp. 955-975.
128 Ibid., p. 580.
129 Ibid., pp. 17-19.
130 Ibid., pp. 955-975.

And here’s a highly pertinent quote from pages 5-6 of the paper:

Each new cell type requires many new and specialized proteins. New proteins in turn require new genetic information encoded in DNA. Thus, an increase in the number of cell types implies (at a minimum) a considerable increase in the amount of specified genetic information. For example, molecular biologists have recently estimated that a minimally complex cell would require between 318 to 562 kilobase pairs of DNA to produce the proteins necessary to maintain life.20 Yet to build the proteins necessary to sustain a complex arthropod such as a trilobite would require an amount of DNA greater by several orders of magnitude (e.g., the genome size of the worm Caenorhabditis elegans is approximately 97 million base pairs21 while that of the fly Drosophila melanogaster (an arthropod), is approximately 120 million base pairs.22 For this reason, transitions from a single cell to colonies of cells to complex animals represent significant (and in principle measurable) increases in complexity and information content. Even C. elegans, a tiny worm about one millimeter long, comprises several highly specialized cells organized into unique tissues and organs with functions as diverse as gathering, processing and digesting food, eliminating waste, external protection, internal absorption and integration, circulation of fluids, perception, locomotion and reproduction. The functions corresponding to these specialized cells in turn require many specialized proteins, genes and cellular regulatory systems, representing an enormous increase in specified biological complexity. Figure 5 shows the complexity increase involved as one moves upward from cellular grade to tissue grade to organ grade life forms. Note the jump in complexity required to build complex Cambrian animals starting from, say, sponges in the late Precambrian. As Figure 5 shows Cambrian animals required 50 or more different cell types to function, whereas sponges required only 5 cell types.

(Note: Figure 5 can be viewed in this later version of the paper, where it is labeled as Figure 10 – VJT.)

References:
20 Mitsuhiro Itaya, “An estimation of the minimal genome size required for life,” FEBS Letters 362
(1995): 257-60. Claire Fraser, Jeannine D. Gocayne, Owen White, et. al., “The Minimal Gene Complement of Mycoplasma genitalium,” Science 270 (1995): 397-403. Arcady R. Mushegian and Eugene V. Koonin, “A minimal gene set for cellular life derived by comparison of complete bacterial genomes,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 93 (1996): 10268-73.
21 The C. elegans Sequencing Consortium, “Genome Sequence of the Nematode C. elegans: A Platform for Investigating Biology,” Science 282 (1998): 2012-18.
22 John Gerhart and Marc Kirschner, Cells, Embryos, and Evolution (London: Blackwell Science, 1997), p.
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Did Dr. Meyer distort the words of geneticist Susumu Ohno?

Rasmussen also accuses Dr. Meyer of distorting the words of Susumu Ohno, a geneticist and evolutionary biologist whose work he discussed in chapter 10 of his book, Darwin’s Doubt:

It gets much worse, turns out Meyer is making assertions diametrically opposite to what his very very few references say. Remember what Meyer wrote above?

“The late geneticist and evolutionary biologist Susumu Ohno noted that Cambrian animals required complex new proteins such as, for example, lysyl oxidase in order to support their stout body structures.”

Well, much later in the same chapter, Meyer finally references Ohno:

“Third, building new animal forms requires generating far more than just one protein of modest length. New Cambrian animals would have required proteins much longer than 150 amino acids to perform necessary, specialized functions.21”

What is reference 21? It’s “21. Ohno, “The Notion of the Cambrian Pananimalia Genome.”

What does that reference say? Let’s look:

Reasons for Invoking the Presence of the Cambrian Pananimalia Genome.
Assuming the spontaneous mutation rate to be generous 10^-9 per base pair per year and also assuming no negative interference by natural selection, it still takes 10 million years to undergo 1% change in DNA base sequences. It follows that 6-10 million years in the evolutionary time scale is but a blink of an eye. The Cambrian explosion denoting the almost simultaneous emergence of nearly all the extant phyla of the kingdom Animalia within the time span of 6-10 million years can’t possibly be explained by mutational divergence of individual gene functions. Rather, it is more likely that all the animals involved in the Cambrian explosion were endowed with nearly the identical genome, with enormous morphological diversities displayed by multitudes of animal phyla being due to differential usages of the identical set of genes. This is the very reason for my proposal of the Cambrian pananimalia genome. This genome must have necessarily been related to those of Ediacarian predecessors, representing the phyla Porifera and Coelenterata, and possibly Annelida. Being related to the genome – possessed by the first set of multicellular organisms to emerge on this earth, it had to be rather modest in size. It should be recalled that the genome of modern day tunicates, representing subphylum Urochordata, is made of 1.8 x 10^8 DNA base pairs, which amounts to only 6% of the mammalian genome (9). The following are the more pertinent of the genes that were certain to have been included in the Cambrian pananimalia genome.”

The bold is my emphasis. I trust you can see the problem here. So, Meyer makes a single goddamn reference to support the claim that the Cambrian explosion required a lot of innovation of new proteins, folds, cell-types and so on. What do we find in that references? That Ohno is suggesting the direct opposite, that he is in fact supporting the standard evo-devo view that few regulatory changes were what happened, that the genes and proteins were already present and had long preceding evolutionary histories.

Once again, Rasmussen hasn’t done his homework. A little digging on my part revealed that Dr. Meyer had previously discussed the Dr. Ohno’s claims at considerable length and responded to those claims, in his 2001 paper, The Cambrian Explosion: Biology’s Big Bang, which he co-authored with Paul Nelson and Paul Chien (bolding mine – VJT):

Ironically, even attempts to avoid the difficulty posed by the Cambrian explosion often presuppose the need for such foresight. As noted, Susumo Uno, the originator of the hypothesis of macroevolution by gene duplication, has argued that mutation rates of extant genes are not sufficiently rapid to account for the amount of genetic information that arose suddenly in the Cambrian.114 Hence he posits the existence of a prior “pananimalian genome” that would have contained all the genetic information necessary to build every protein needed to build the Cambrian animals. His hypothesis envisions this genome arising in a hypothetical common ancestor well before the Cambrian explosion began. On this hypothesis, the differing expression of separate genes on the same master genome would explain the great variety of new animal forms found in the Cambrian strata.

While Ohno’s hypothesis does preserve the core evolutionary commitment to common descent (or monophyly), it nevertheless has a curious feature from the standpoint of neo-Darwinism. In particular, it envisions the pananimalian genome arising well before its expression in individual animals.115 Specific genes would have arisen well before they were used, needed or functionally advantageous. Hence, the individual genes within the pananimalian genome would have arisen in a way that, again, would have made them imperceptible to natural selection. This not only creates a problem for the neo-Darwinian mechanism, but it also seems to suggest, as Simon Conway Morris has recently intimated,116 the need for foresight or teleology to explain the Cambrian explosion. Indeed, the origin of a massive, unexpressed pre-Cambrian genome containing all the information necessary to build the proteins required by not-yet-existent Cambrian animals, would strongly suggest intelligent foresight or design at work in whatever process gave rise to the pananimalian genome. (pp. 31-32)

In short: Dr. Meyer was not only aware that Dr. Ohno had proposed the existence of a pananimalian genome; he also explicitly referred to it in his 2001 paper, in order to demonstrate that Intelligent Design would be the best explanation of such a genome.

I’ll leave it to my readers to decide whether it is Dr. Meyer or Rasmussen who is guilty of “extremely shoddy scholarship.” Let me conclude by recalling an old saying: “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.”

Comments
Mung: Meyer is right about new folds. No. Per the quote provided, Meyer is wrong about "bursts of new protein folds".Zachriel
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Arthur Hunt: I’d like to respond to your 2007 Panda’s Thumb post: You first give a summary of the experiment: [My few comments are interspersed]
First, a brief overview of the experiment and results. The object of interest was the so-called large domain of the TEM-1 penicillinase, an enzyme that breaks down antibiotics related to penicillin. . . . Axe was interested in using a mutational approach to explore the constraints for forming a functional large TEM-1 domain, and applying these results to estimate of the density of functional sequences in the space of all possible amino acid sequences The approach taken was to generate collections of randomized mutant sequence variants in a functional TEM-1 variant and “count” the numbers of mutants that retained some measure of activity. Activity was measured by growth of bacteria containing the variants on relatively low levels of ampicillin, a target (or substrate) of TEM-1. (Cells with active TEM-1 can break down the ampicillin and thus survive, whereas cells with mutant TEM-1 variants that can no longer maintain a stably-folded enzyme cannot break down the antibiotic, and this will not grow.) Axe anticipated that the native TEM-1 would be rather “resistant” to random mutagenesis, owing to a “buffering effect” contributed by what is probably a robust structural fold.[ IOW, this “resistance” is really a non-tolerance for sequences that won’t form this “robust structural fold,” which means that Axe’s results are actually conservative, rendering Darwinian approaches an even greater opportunity]. This would preclude a proper assessment of the constraints governing low-level function, which in turn are the constraints relevant to the question of the emergence of functional sequences. [What I just wrote is confirmed by this last sentence.] Accordingly, he first isolated, by targeted mutagenesis, a so-called “reference sequence”, a TEM-1 variant that was expected to be much more susceptible to the effects of mutational change. (This is a crucial aspect of the experiment, the ramifications of which are discussed in Section 2.) The variant was identified as a temperature-sensitive enzyme that permitted growth of bacteria on selective (ampicillin-containing) media at a permissive temperature (25 °C), and differs from the wild-type at 22% of the 153 positions. [Doesn’t this mean, then, that you would have to have 22 mutations to take place to get from this “low activity” form of LEM-1 to the wild-type? So, again we’re a long ways off from where evolution needs to get.](“Temperature-sensitive” enzymes lose function after a small change in temperature. Here, the enzyme had some modicum of activity at a lower temperature – 25 °C – but was inactive at elevated temperatures – e.g., 37°C, the temperature at which E. coli is usually grown.)
This is a fine overview of the experiment. You, then, continue:
There is, however, a fly in the ointment. (Actually, there are many.) Recall that Axe did not work with the native TEM-1 penicillinase, but rather with a variant that had a lower activity. The assay system made this necessary. (Scoring bacteria on antibiotic-containing media isn’t particularly discriminating, and it’s hard to tell is, say, if a wild-type detoxifying enzyme has lost 90% of its activity.) In other words, Axe decided to select a particular part of the “hill” such as that shaded in black in the following illustration (Figure 2):
But, of course, Axe “had” to do it this way, or, as I noted above in my comments, nothing would have likely happened since the structural fold would not have formed. Your comment to the effect that the “assay” system required Axe to use a “variant” misses the mark. In fact, given your comment about “scoring,” he would have been advised to work with something with ‘more’ activity, say, with the wild type TEM-1. You then refer to one of the figures you include. But, as I’ve pointed out before, you haven’t come close to actually visualizing the “base” of the ‘functional’ part of ‘sequence space.’ You’re using ‘two’ dimensions, when the actual dimensions of this space is ‘153’. And, if you want to portray the 153 dimensions as two, and if Axe has determined that the number of functional sequences is 10^-77 of the actual sequence space, then the ‘line’ you show, or ‘peak,’ should be almost invisibly small, with NO “base” whatsoever. Pictures can lie.
In addition, Axe deliberately identified and chose for study a temperature sensitive variant. In altering the enzyme in this way, he molded a variant that would be exquisitely sensitive to mutation. In terms of our illustrations, Axe’s TEM-1 variant is a tiny “hill” with very steep sides, as shown in the following (Figure 3):
Even “Figure 3” is almost ‘infinitely’ larger than should be depicted.
Obviously, from these considerations, we can see that assertions that the tiny base of the “hill” in Figure 3 in any way reflects that of a normal enzyme are not appropriate. On this basis alone, we may conclude that the claims of ID proponents vis-à-vis Axe 2004 are exaggerated and wrong.
On the contrary, your “figure” is what is “exaggerated and wrong.” There should be NO “base,” not even a “tiny base” at the bottom of the figure.
Axe’s numbers tell us about the apparent isolation of the low-activity variant, but reveal little (nor can it be expected to) about the “isolation” or evolution of TEM-1 penicillinase. (Or any other enzyme, for that matter.)
As I’ve noted above, evolution would be required to ‘find’ 32 more a.a. mutations (22% of 153) to get to a fully-functioning TEM-1 protein. IOW, the actual protein is even more remotely isolated evolutionarily.
Of course, there is more. Most naturally-occurring enzymes are not isolated activities as Figure 1 would imply. Something like the next illustration (Figure 4) is a better depiction – distinct activities and enzymes are often derived from common structural and sequence themes.
How do you get “distinct activities” from “common” structural and sequence themes???
This expands the base of the “hill” to include those of the neighboring activities; this may be considerable indeed. (In the example of TEM-1 penicillinases, the neighbors would include DD-peptidases; Knox et al, 1996; Adediran et al., 2005.)
But to “randomly” get to the low-activity TEM-1, 10^77 mutations must occur. Isn’t it obvious that ‘more’ mutations would be needed to get to either of the “neighbors”? I don’t see how this helps your argument.
However, a relatively recent development, the so-called “mRNA display” technique, allows one to screen random sequences that are much larger (approaching 100 amino acids in length). What is interesting is that the forward approach typically yields a “success rate” in the 10^-10 to 10^-15 range – one usually need screen between 10^10 -> 10^15 random sequences to identify a functional polymer.
How do you define “success rate”? Is it the ability to bind to one, single binding site? Why haven’t you called it a “functional protein”? Is it because of what you mean by “success rate”? Where is your citation? Is it the Cho article?
This is true even for mRNA display. These numbers are a direct measurement of the proportion of functional sequences in a population of random polymers, and are estimates of the same parameter – density of sequences of minimal function in sequence space – that Axe is after.
Naturally, the ‘larger’ the sequence space, the more possibilities emerge for ‘binding’ to the ‘target’ sequence. So, the relatively large number of successes should not be surprising.
1.0^-10 -> 10^-63 (or thereabout): this is the range of estimates of the density of functional sequences in sequence space that can be found in the scientific literature. The caveats given in Section 2 notwithstanding, Axe’s work does not extend or narrow the range.
While indeed this is true, you have somehow accreted to the revised number for Axe—i.e., ‘your’ 10^-59—(which gives it a value that doesn’t “extend” the range) this number of 1.0x10^-10, without proper identification of neither what the ‘target’ sequence is, nor the ‘success rate’, nor what exactly you mean by ‘functional polymer.’ As to the Cho article:
[From: Glen Cho, Anthony D. Keefe, Rihe Liu, David S. Wilson and Jack W. Szostak] We present a method that can significantly increase the complexity of protein libraries used for in vitro or in vivo protein selection experiments. Protein libraries are often encoded by chemically synthesized DNA, in which part of the open reading frame is randomized. There are, however, major obstacles associated with the chemical synthesis of long open reading frames, especially those containing random segments. Insertions and deletions that occur during chemical synthesis cause frameshifts, and stop codons in the random region will cause premature termination. These problems can together greatly reduce the number of full-length synthetic genes in the library. We describe a strategy in which smaller segments of the synthetic open reading frame are selected in vitro using mRNA display for the absence of frameshifts and stop codons. These smaller segments are then ligated together to form combinatorial libraries of long uninterrupted open reading frames. This process can increase the number of full-length open reading frames in libraries by up to two orders of magnitude, resulting in protein libraries with complexities of greater than 10^13. We have used this methodology to generate three types of displayed protein library: a completely random sequence library, a library of concatemerized oligopeptide cassettes with a propensity for forming amphipathic a-helical or b-strand structures, and a library based on one of the most common enzymatic scaffolds, the a/b (TIM) barrel.
Also, from a PubMed article:
[From “Affinity selection of DNA-binding protein complexes using mRNA display” Seiji Tateyama, Kenichi Horisawa, Hideaki Takashima, Etsuko Miyamoto-Sato, Nobuhide Doi and Hiroshi Yanagawa-- Nucleic Acids Research, 2006, Vol. 34, No. 3; doi:10.1093/nar/gnj025:] In order to circumvent these difficulties, we focused on a totally in vitro mRNA display technology (11–17), in vitro virus (IVV) (11–14), for the discovery of DNA–protein interactions. In mRNA display, a library of genotype (mRNA)–phenotype (protein) linking molecules (IVV) is constructed in which mRNA is covalently bound to protein through puromycin during cell-free translation. After affinity selection via the protein moiety of the IVV, the mRNA moieties of the selected molecules are amplified by means of RT–PCR. Therefore, even very low-copy number proteins can be identified by iterative affinity selection from a library with high diversity and complexity, routinely in the range of 10^13 members (11–17).
Let it be noted that this entire field of investigation has to do with finding regulatory sections of the genome, and that what they’re after are those places where proteins ‘bind’ to the DNA. Hence, this is about finding ‘binding sites’ (as noted above), and NOT about finding, or arriving at, a functional “protein.” Functional “proteins” and functional “polymers” should not be confused with one another. Finally, Darinian “proponents” always insist on things being “peer-reviewed” before giving something any legitimacy. Why should we consider your Panda’s Thumb post seriously? Shouldn’t you first have your ‘post’ peer-reviewed?PaV
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Some new folds were introduced, but the inherited folds were generally sufficient to the task.
Unfortunately you don't have any idea what was and wasn't introduced.
Most of metazoan evolution was due to new uses for existing structures.
Unfortunately your opinion isn't evidence. The sad part is they say Meyer is wrong and yet they don't have any idea what was required to produce the Cambrian diversity.Virgil Cain
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Andre: You are talking twaddle because the fold determine the function. There appear to be far more proteins than protein folds, which would indicate that while folds may be necessary for function they are not sufficient for function.Mung
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Zachriel:
Some new folds were introduced, but the inherited folds were generally sufficient to the task. Most of metazoan evolution was due to new uses for existing structures.
Over at TSZ the claim is that Meyer is a liar and a con man and that he is pulling things "out of his ass.". So let's review. Meyer is right about new cell types. Meyer is right about new organs. Meyer is right about new genes. Meyer is right about new proteins. Meyer is right about new folds. Are we now going to argue over how many new folds?Mung
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Arthur, would you care to elaborate on frequency of function in mRNA space? Would you (presumably) argue that it is low? On another note, the whole protein fold is a bit if a misnomer IMO based on the fact with a limited ser of amino acids with grouped sidechain properties, you will inevitably get a dominant ser of protein folds. Yet protein fold combine in many different ways with each other to firm vastly different functions. Even those that perform similar functions and bind similar targets in theory will not bind the same. The immune system is a good example of that, and the limits of hypermutation to merely have an interaction with an antigen. Quite a clever design really.Dr JDD
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Andre, what does the RNA World have to do with anything that has been mentioned in this discussion?Arthur Hunt
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Arthur Are you.another RNA world preacher? Seriously? Why is it that people with dubious IQ always hang onto nonsense? Is it the superstitious side that makes you hang onto utter nonsense?Andre
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Piggy backing on Zachriel's comment, when it comes to the matter of the frequency of occurrence of function in sequence space, mRNA display is not only entirely appropriate, it is superior to some of the other things I allude to in my essay.Arthur Hunt
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gpuccio: I have discussed many times here in detail, even recently, why that paper is completely irrelevant to the discussion. None of your arguments were convincing, though. Szostak shows that at least some folds are fairly common in sequence space — and that's using random sequences, which are probably much less likely to yield usable proteins than recombinations of functional proteins.Zachriel
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Zachriel You are talking twaddle because the fold determine the function.Andre
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Mung: but we’re talking about what Meyer wrote Meyer: "Axe knew that as new life-forms arose during the history of life—in events such as the Cambrian explosion—many new proteins must also have arisen. New animals typically have new organs and cell types, and new cell types often call for new proteins to service them. In some cases new proteins, while functionally new, would perform their different functions with essentially the same fold or tertiary structure as earlier proteins. But more often, proteins capable of performing new functions require new folds to perform these functions. That means that explosions of new life-forms must have involved bursts of new protein folds as well." This is contradicted by the relative rate of production of new proteins vs. protein folds in metazoan evolution. Mung: Now if we agree there were new proteins, and new protein folds are do darned easy to evolve, what made them stop during the Cambrian? Some new folds were introduced, but the inherited folds were generally sufficient to the task. Most of metazoan evolution was due to new uses for existing structures.Zachriel
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Levin & King, Evidence for sex and recombination in the choanoflagellate Salpingoeca rosetta, Current Biology 2013. This was interesting.
Nearly all animals reproduce sexually through the production and fusion of sperm and egg cells, yet little is known about the ancestry of animal sexual reproduction. Moreover, the sexual cycle of the closest living relatives of animals, the choanoflagellates, remains completely unknown.
Looks like steps are finally being taken to remedy that. I wonder what they will find when they study other choanoflagellates.Mung
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gpuccio, you are mistaken. Rather than toss around some misguided guesses, why don't you spend some time and go through my essay in detail?Arthur Hunt
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More Meyer:
Third, building new animal forms requires generating far more than just one protein of modest length. New Cambrian animals would have required proteins much longer than 150 amino acids to perform necessary, specialized functions.
Who here is denying that the Cambrian animals would have required proteins much longer than 150 amino acids to perform necessary, specialized functions? Nick?Mung
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vjtorley: I suspect that the 10^10 figure is derived from the Szostak paper. I have discussed many times here in detail, even recently, why that paper is completely irrelevant to the discussion.gpuccio
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Art, what does the Ohno paper say about protein folds?Mung
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Arthur Hunt:
Mung, the two sentences immediately following the one you bolded say exactly what Nick is saying.
These two sentences?
Rather, it is more likely that all the animals involved in the Cambrian explosion were endowed with nearly the identical genome, with enormous morphological diversities displayed by multitudes of animal phyla being due to differential usages of the identical set of genes.
This is an inference. The paper does not show or point out what Nick claims it does. It merely declares it must be so. The alternative is simply too unbelievable.Mung
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Hi Arthur Hunt, Thank you for your post. Regardless of whether they are justified or not, the methodological criticisms you make of Dr. Axe's research are certainly substantive, and I think they deserve a fair hearing. Dr. Ann Gauger has contacted me previously and informed me that BioComplexity is happy to publish scientific critiques of Intelligent Design, in addition to scientific articles supporting the case for ID. If you wish to compose a short article outlining your concerns with Dr. Axe's protein studies, then I would be delighted to forward it to Dr. Axe and Dr. Gauger. I'm sure they'd publish it: after all, they could hardly ignore it. I do, however, wish to take issue with a statement toward the end of your post, which you made back in 2004, and which you still endorse today:
10^-10 -> 10^-63 (or thereabout): this is the range of estimates of the density of functional sequences in sequence space that can be found in the scientific literature. The caveats given in Section 2 notwithstanding, Axe's work does not extend or narrow the range.
First, if this statement were true, it would stand as a living reproach to biologists all around the world. 10^-10 to 10^-63 is an uncertainty spanning 53 orders of magnitude - and you're telling me that after 11 years of research, biologists still haven't succeeded in narrowing that estimate?!?! That's disgraceful. Someone needs to get off their lazy backsides. Second, what kind of proteins are we talking about here? In particular, how many amino acids? As biophysicist Dr. Cornelius Hunter has previously pointed out (see my post, The dirty dozen: Twelve fallacies evolutionists make when arguing about the origin of life), the larger proteins (150+ amino acids) appear to be needed for all known forms of life, and there are still no obvious gradual pathways to forming these proteins. Dr. Hunter adds:
And finally there are several studies on slightly more complex, challenging proteins, all of which come in at around 10^60 – 10^80 attempts required.
10^60 – 10^80 is very different from your estimate of 10^10 to 10^63. May I ask: what's going on here?vjtorley
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Mung, the two sentences immediately following the one you bolded say exactly what Nick is saying. Methinks you've been trying again to slake your thirst by eating sugar. Gotta stop doing that. Go ahead, drink some water.Arthur Hunt
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Nick Matzke: All of this is totally obvious from actually reading Ohno with any care — b Haha. Good one Nick.
Reasons for Invoking the Presence of the Cambrian Pananimalia Genome. Assuming the spontaneous mutation rate to be generous 10^-9 per base pair per year and also assuming no negative interference by natural selection, it still takes 10 million years to undergo 1% change in DNA base sequences. It follows that 6-10 million years in the evolutionary time scale is but a blink of an eye. The Cambrian explosion denoting the almost simultaneous emergence of nearly all the extant phyla of the kingdom Animalia within the time span of 6-10 million years can't possibly be explained by mutational divergence of individual gene functions. Rather, it is more likely that all the animals involved in the Cambrian explosion were endowed with nearly the identical genome, with enormous morphological diversities displayed by multitudes of animal phyla being due to differential usages of the identical set of genes. This is the very reason for my proposal of the Cambrian pananimalia genome.
That the stated reason, by the author.
Ohno’s paper on the pan-animalian genome points out that these bilaterians all share their basic gene/protein set...
An actual reading, with care, shows that it does no such thing.Mung
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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=domain+shuffling&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C38
What percentage of new genes originate this way? Are they shufflings of another coding region? A non-coding region? I assume that if there is a reshuffling, there is knowledge of what got reshuffled? What percentage of genes can they not identify their origin? Why can they not identify an origin? The answers to these questions would go a long way to answering questions people have about the origin of coding areas. I would assume the answers to these questions would be of interest to researchers and part of research reviews.jerry
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Yes, Nick, we already know that you are a grand equivocator and a literature bluffer. Please tell us which of those papers demonstrates that blind and undirected chemical processes- ie natural selection, drift and neutral changes can produce chaperones. The first paper fails in that regard...Virgil Cain
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Zachriel:
There’s plenty of protein evolution associated with the advent of metazoa, but the question concerned protein folds.
We could go by what you say, but we're talking about what Meyer wrote, so I am going to go with what Meyer says on this one. For example: “The Cambrian animals exhibit structures that would have required many new types of cells, each requiring many novel proteins to perform their specialized functions. But new cell types require not just one or two new proteins, but coordinated systems of proteins to perform their distinctive cellular functions.” New types of cells. Novel proteins. Coordinated systems of proteins. Now if we agree there were new proteins, and new protein folds are do darned easy to evolve, what made them stop during the Cambrian? Was there like this protein fold traffic cop out there telling evolution to stop, that all the protein folds had already been discovered, and that there was no need for any more? Sure, that must be it.Mung
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Nick Matzke: Where do you guys come up with this stuff? I keep a barrel of it out on the patio. Do you have an explanation why the shuffling stopped in the Cambrian? The dealer got tired?Mung
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120 jerryDecember 29, 2015 at 5:16 pm If new proteins arise by reshuffling then evidence will be in the genomes of current species. Has any been provided? Reshuffling of what part of the genomes is supposedly the source of new proteins? Current coding regions? Non-coding regions?
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=domain+shuffling&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C38NickMatzke_UD
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119 Virgil CainDecember 29, 2015 at 5:14 pm If you want to talk about protein folds you need to be prepared to talk about chaperones. And once you start talking about chaperones evolutionism falls silent.
Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Here, let me help: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Evolution+chaperones&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C38NickMatzke_UD
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If new proteins arise by reshuffling then evidence will be in the genomes of current species. Has any been provided? Reshuffling of what part of the genomes is supposedly the source of new proteins? Current coding regions? Non-coding regions?jerry
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If you want to talk about protein folds you need to be prepared to talk about chaperones. And once you start talking about chaperones evolutionism falls silent.Virgil Cain
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Mung: The group believed to be closest to the animals is the Choanoflagellates. Single-cell with asexual reproduction. Levin & King, Evidence for sex and recombination in the choanoflagellate Salpingoeca rosetta, Current Biology 2013.
Birds do it, bees do it Even educated fleas do it Let's do it, let's fall in love. Romantic sponges, they say, do it Choanoflagellates do it Let's do it, let's fall in love.
Mung: Proteins are easy to evolve, except in the Cambrian. there’s no evidence of any evolution at all during the Cambrian. There's plenty of protein evolution associated with the advent of metazoa, but the question concerned protein folds.Zachriel
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