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The Reichstag Fire, Feb 27, 1933

Vivid recently reminded us of the painful, bloody lesson of history taught by Hitler’s seizure of power in 1933. I responded, noting:

[I]sn’t it interesting that the Reichstag Fire crisis isn’t a standard part of our general education package. It almost makes one wonder why it is that the story of how the most universally acknowledged unmitigatedly evil dictator seized absolute power through agit prop and lawfare is somehow pushed to the margins of our common fund of knowledge. Not quite a conspiracy of silencing but at least a common evasion of plain duty by those who inform and educate us. Ironically, on a topic where learning this is vital to defending our civilisation, the common thought association fed by dominant narratives will be that appeal to Hitler is fallacious and demonising. Not when it is manifestly relevant and counter-balances a narrative that actually does just such a demonisation . . .

I think it is important enough to actually put up a summary, and I further noted:

This is one time when Wikipedia’s admissions are at minimum relevant and mostly on target food for thought. (I think it is most likely that Hitler and co opportunistically exploited an ill-advised violent protest action by a likely half-mad youth IIRC one week before an election was due, to set an agit prop and lawfare juggernaut loose; that is, I don’t accept the perception that the Nazis set the fire themselves as a false flag operation . . . they were however primed to pounce on and use any convenient incident they could frame through narrative and institutional domination. The consequences were horrific.)

Accordingly, let us learn from that oh so humble source, Wikipedia, as it is forced by a forest of facts to admit:

The Reichstag fire (German: Reichstagsbrand, About this soundlisten (help·info)) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building, home of the German parliament in Berlin, on Monday 27 February 1933, precisely four weeks after Adolf Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany. Hitler’s government stated that Marinus van der Lubbe, a Dutch council communist, was the culprit, and it attributed the fire to communist agitators. A German court decided later that year that Van der Lubbe had acted alone, as he had claimed. The day after the fire, the Reichstag Fire Decree was passed. The Nazi Party used the fire as a pretext to claim that communists were plotting against the German government, which made the fire pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.

The first report of the fire came shortly after 9:00 p.m., when a Berlin fire station received an alarm call.[1] By the time police and firefighters arrived, the lower house ‘Chamber of Deputies’ was engulfed in flames. The police conducted a thorough search inside the building and accused Van der Lubbe. He was arrested, as were four communist leaders soon after. Hitler urged President Paul von Hindenburg to issue an emergency decree to suspend civil liberties and pursue a “ruthless confrontation” with the Communist Party of Germany.[2] After the decree was issued, the government instituted mass arrests of communists, including all of the Communist Party’s parliamentary delegates. With their bitter rival communists gone and their seats empty, the Nazi Party went from having a plurality to a majority, thus enabling Hitler to consolidate his power . . . .

After the November 1932 German federal election, the Nazi Party had a plurality, not a majority; the Communists posted gains.[7] Adolf Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor and head of the coalition government on 30 January 1933.[8] As chancellor, Hitler asked President Paul von Hindenburg to dissolve the Reichstag and call for a new parliamentary election. The date set for the elections was 5 March 1933.[9]

Hitler hoped to abolish democracy in a more or less legal fashion, by passing the Enabling Act. The Enabling Act was a special law that gave the Chancellor the power to pass laws by decree, without the involvement of the Reichstag. These special powers would remain in effect for four years, after which time they were eligible to be renewed. Under the Weimar Constitution, the President could rule by decree in times of emergency using Article 48.[10] During the election campaign, the Nazis alleged that Germany was on the verge of a Communist revolution and that the only way to stop the Communists was to put the Nazis securely in power . . . .

The day after the fire, at Hitler’s request, President Hindenburg signed the Reichstag Fire Decree into law by using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany, including habeas corpus, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the right of free association and public assembly, and the secrecy of the post and telephone.[18] These rights were not reinstated during Nazi reign. The decree was used by the Nazis to ban publications not considered “friendly” to the Nazi cause. Despite the fact that Marinus van der Lubbe claimed to have acted alone in the Reichstag fire, Hitler, after having obtained his emergency powers, announced that it was the start of a Communist plot to take over Germany. Nazi Party newspapers then published this fabricated “news”.[18] This sent the German population into a panic and isolated the Communists further among the civilians; additionally, thousands of Communists were imprisoned in the days following the fire (including leaders of the Communist Party of Germany) on the charge that the Party was preparing to stage a putsch. Speaking to Rudolph Diels about Communists during the Reichstag fire, Hitler said “These sub-humans do not understand how the people stand at our side. In their mouse-holes, out of which they now want to come, of course they hear nothing of the cheering of the masses.”[19] With Communist electoral participation also suppressed (the Communists previously polled 17% of the vote), the Nazis were able to increase their share of the vote in the 5 March 1933 Reichstag elections from 33% to 44%.[20] This gave the Nazis and their allies, the German National People’s Party (who won 8% of the vote), a majority of 52% in the Reichstag.[20]

While the Nazis emerged with a majority, they fell short of their goal, which was to win 50–55% of the vote that year.[20] The Nazis thought that this would make it difficult to achieve their next goal, passage of the Enabling Act giving Hitler the right to rule by decree, which required a two-thirds majority.[20] However, several important factors weighed in the Nazis’ favour, mainly the continued suppression of the Communist Party and the Nazis’ ability to capitalize on national security concerns. Moreover, some deputies of the Social Democratic Party (the only party that would vote against the Enabling Act) were prevented from taking their seats in the Reichstag, due to arrests and intimidation by the Nazi SA. As a result, the Social Democratic Party would be under-represented in the final vote tally. The Enabling Act passed easily on 23 March 1933, with the support of the right-wing German National People’s Party, the Centre Party, and several fragmented middle-class parties. The measure went into force on 24 March, effectively making Hitler dictator of Germany.[21]

The Kroll Opera House, sitting across the Königsplatz from the burned-out Reichstag building, functioned as the Reichstag’s venue for the remaining 12 years of the Third Reich’s existence.[22]

We could say to the latter, an appropriate venue.

Many sobering lessons lurk here, starting with, beware of being trapped between the devil and the deep blue sea. One may be trapped into a false dilemma, especially if one is not thinking straight due to how one is being manipulated by dirty big money and its bought and paid for spokesmen (who will of course have impeccable credentials). Frankly, the historical microcosm for such is Acts 27, taking the text there simply as a slice of literature, here, history, from the classical world.

In that context, I beg us to understand that the Left-Centre-Right [LCR] political spectrum model that dominates popular and even academic thought is deeply flawed, lending itself to manipulation of the perceived centre of safety:

So, instead, let us learn the lesson of the dirty Overton Window game:

The key thing to recall, is that given the sad history of Athenian democracy and the Peloponnesian war, as well as Ac 27 and much more recent history, democracies are inherently unstable though they also provide for otherwise unprecedented freedom with a good measure of protective order.

For such to happen, there must be stabilising cultural buttresses that lie beyond the rough and tumble of dirty, manipulative politics [thus, the inherent danger of totalising materialistic and/or radically secularist ideologies that are amoral and/or invite nihilism], and which provide a framework of moral guidance tied to core, built-in human characteristics of being morally governed. That, in turn, is why modern constitutional democracy emerged in the matrix of what was then self-consciously Christendom, as we can see reflected in Locke’s key remarks in his second essay on civil government:

[2nd Treatise on Civil Gov’t, Ch 2 sec. 5:] . . . if I cannot but wish to receive good, even as much at every man’s hands, as any man can wish unto his own soul, how should I look to have any part of my desire herein satisfied, unless myself be careful to satisfy the like desire which is undoubtedly in other men . . . my desire, therefore, to be loved of my equals in Nature, as much as possible may be, imposeth upon me a natural duty of bearing to themward fully the like affection. From which relation of equality between ourselves and them that are as ourselves, what several rules and canons natural reason hath drawn for direction of life no man is ignorant . . . [This directly echoes St. Paul in Rom 2: “14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them . . . “ and 13: “9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law . . . “ Hooker then continues, citing Aristotle in The Nicomachean Ethics, Bk 8:] as namely, That because we would take no harm, we must therefore do none; That since we would not be in any thing extremely dealt with, we must ourselves avoid all extremity in our dealings; That from all violence and wrong we are utterly to abstain, with such-like . . . ] [Eccl. Polity ,preface, Bk I, “ch.” 8, p.80, cf. here. Emphasis added.] [Augmented citation, Locke, Second Treatise on Civil Government, Ch 2 Sect. 5. ]

Hence, too, the power of Plato’s warning in The Laws, Book X:

Ath[enian Stranger, in The Laws, Bk X 2,360 ya]. . . . [The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical “material” elements of the cosmos — the natural order], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ –> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity] . . . . [Thus, they hold] that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-

[ –> Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT, leading to an effectively arbitrary foundation only for morality, ethics, law and government: accident of personal preference, the ebbs and flows of power politics, accidents of history and and the shifting sands of manipulated community opinion driven by “winds and waves of doctrine and the cunning craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming . . . ” cf a video on Plato’s parable of the cave; from the perspective of pondering who set up the manipulative shadow-shows, why.]

These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might,

[ –> Evolutionary materialism — having no IS that can properly ground OUGHT — leads to the promotion of amorality on which the only basis for “OUGHT” is seen to be might (and manipulation: might in “spin”), opening the door to cynicism, hyperskepticism and nihilism . . . ]

and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [ –> Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality “naturally” leads to continual contentions and power struggles influenced by that amorality at the hands of ruthless power hungry nihilistic agendas], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is,to live in real dominion over others [ –> such amoral and/or nihilistic factions, if they gain power, “naturally” tend towards ruthless abuse and arbitrariness . . . they have not learned the habits nor accepted the principles of mutual respect, justice, fairness and keeping the civil peace of justice, so they will want to deceive, manipulate and crush — as the consistent history of radical revolutions over the past 250 years so plainly shows again and again], and not in legal subjection to them [–> nihilistic will to power not the spirit of justice and lawfulness].

Hitler and co, also, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and co, have underscored the force of this over the past century. If we are instead to find a road of sound reformation, we would be well advised to look elsewhere. Wiberforce, for example, or Knibb, or Booth.

But then, that is always a challenge, one compounded enormously in a highly ideologised, deeply polarised increasingly radically secularist age. Such does not bode well, but we need to at least be aware before the needless storm. END

F/N, U/D Aug 8: Please please please falsify this message . . . if true this is beyond ridiculous:

U/D, 2:30 pm, Status, essentially confirmed. It is clear that there is unwillingness to recognise how abuse-prone such a system is.

F/N2: The hate behind the attack on Christians gathering in families for prayer is blatant:

Particularly note the turnabout projection of hate, labelling by invidious association and assumption that the stigmatised scapegoats — this includes families with children forfeit basic rights. This, is red guard rioting.

F/N3: Interview with Andy Ngo on Antifa

F/N4, Aug 11, a reminder on the McFaul Colour Revolution framework and the SOCOM insurgency escalator. First, the US State Dept report and Congressional Archive on abuse of mail-in voting in Ukraine, 2004 — I extensively highlighted this last year:

Next, the framework:

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F/N: A further report on the incident in Portland, highlighting a similar outdoor worship event held the next day https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2021/08/10/watch-christians-gather-worship-portland-despite-antifa-attack-we-didnt-back-down/ KFkairosfocus
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F/N: Update 4 to OP, showing abuse of mail voting in Ukraine in 2004 per archive of US Govt, and the McFaul Colour Revolution playbook vs the SOCOM insurgency escalator, in context of 4th Gen war. KFkairosfocus
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Bob, “A soft coup, sometimes referred to as a silent coup, is a coup d'état without the use of violence, but based on a conspiracy or plot that has as its objective the taking of state power by partially or wholly legal means, in order to facilitate an exchange of political leadership and in some cases also of the current institutional order.[1][2]” WIKI “The Steele dossier can hardly be an attempted coup to remove Trump, can it? “ What a silly question . Here is what I wrote “The FBI knowingly worked with and allowed the Democrat party to use the Steele dossier as a reason to impeach and remove him from office even though they knew the information was false.” “it was collated before Trump was in office” Irrelevant. .” it was also hardly silent –“ You mean it produced no sound waves? You got me there Bob. “it was well reported. “ Well yeh! How could it be used if no one heard about it? Sheesh “And as for being DNC funded, we knew that at the time (more or less: the story then was that it was Republican funded, but the DNC took over funding. “ Why are you stating the obvious as if your presenting some kind of rebuttal? “But just because the DNC funded it doesn’t mean it’s false. “ Another silly irrelevant comment ,of course that did not make it false “Which is why the FBI should have investigated the allegations.” And they did and in their investigation they found out it was unverifiable and false yet proceeded as if it was true. They used the dossier that they knew was unverifiable to get FISA warrants. They gave cover to the corrupt media and pathological liars like Schiff and Salwell . Vividvividbleau
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F/N: a food for thought critique of journalism tactics. How did this pass muster with a responsible editorial board? KFkairosfocus
August 10, 2021
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BO'H, what was done with it and with the climate it helped create certainly was an agit prop and lawfare push. KF PS: The allegations were discredited and dubious from the outset, but a circus was sustained for two years at taxpayer expense. Contrast say the clear violation of the espionage law by Mrs Clinton hosting a server outside the proper Govt parameters etc. PPS: The current developments also speak for themselves, as noted above.kairosfocus
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Vividbleyu @ 104 - The Steele dossier can hardly be an attempted coup to remove Trump, can it? it was collated before Trump was in office. it was also hardly silent - it was well reported. And as for being DNC funded, we knew that at the time (more or less: the story then was that it was Republican funded, but the DNC took over funding. Apparently, what happened was that the Republicans funded a pre-cursor to Steele). But just because the DNC funded it doesn't mean it's false. Which is why the FBI should have investigated the allegations.Bob O'H
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F/N: Following up on CA's vote by printing your own ballot scheme: https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/08/09/heres-what-we-know-about-californias-print-at-home-ballot-recall-election-scheme-n423334
In 2020, California’s Elections Code didn’t allow every county to just send a mail ballot to every voter without that voter requesting a mail ballot ahead of time. But due to Executive Orders issued by Newsom in June 2020 setting aside certain sections of the state’s Elections Code every (alleged) registered voter in the state was sent a vote by mail ballot. The state legislature met during the summer of 2020 but failed to pass legislation making the changes Newsom wanted as to how the general election would be administered in light of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic – but it’s likely that they believed no one would challenge Newsom’s Executive Orders and therefore no actual legislation was necessary. Unfortunately for Gavin Newsom and the state’s Democrats, two legislators challenged that Executive Order – and won. Asm. James Gallagher and Asm. Kevin Kiley (who’s now running for Newsom’s seat) filed suit, represented themselves, and won. Did I mention that they won? In the ruling, issued just days before the November 2020 election, the judge found that Newsom’s actions were unconstitutional because the California Emergency Services Act was didn’t grant the governor the power to “amend statutory law or make new statutory law, which is exclusively a legislative function.” In addition, the judge found it necessary to issue a permanent injunction against Newsom to keep him from doing so in the future: Gavin Newsom, in his official capacity as Governor of the State of California is enjoined and prohibited from exercising any power under the California Emergency Services Act…which amends, alters, or changes existing statutory law or makes new statutory law or legislative policy. Since people had been voting for weeks before the judge’s ruling she declared that it did not apply to the November 2020 general election, but the fact that she issued a permanent injunction against Newsom meant that she wanted to ensure that he could not pull such shenanigans in the future. Given that the Newsom recall petition was already widely circulating at that time, she was fully aware that he could possibly face a recall election in the year following her ruling and seemingly wanted to make it crystal clear that Newsom did not have the authority to issue Executive Orders in that election under the California Emergency Services Act. However, the legislature would be allowed to change election law, since creating/amending law is their job. Did they do that? We’ll start at the California Secretary of State’s website referenced in the Election Wizard tweet. The Remote Access Vote by Mail (RAVBM) page still makes reference only to the November 4, 2020, general election. But, the California Gubernatorial Recall Election page contains a link to a document titled “California Gubernatorial Recall Election Administration Guidance” under “County Elections Officials Resources.” In that document there’s just one sentence in the RAVBM section: All county elections officials shall permit any voter to cast a ballot using a certified RAVBM system, regardless of whether the voter is a voter with disabilities or a military or overseas voter. (Elec. Code, § 1605(c).) Since the entry referred to Section 1605(c) of the California Elections Code, I looked that up next. It reads: (c) The elections official shall permit any voter to cast a ballot using a certified remote accessible vote by mail system, regardless of whether the voter is a voter with disabilities or a military or overseas voter. That section is part of Chapter 7 of the Elections Code – the entirety of which was added in 2021 when Senate Bill 152 was passed by the legislature then signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom. Since these laws were enacted through the legislative process and not by the unconstitutional use of an Executive Order, they’re not subject to the Sutter County judge’s injunction. That is by design. Senate Bill 152 was a blank budget bill when it was introduced on January 28, 2021. On June 14, 2021, after the Democrats knew that the recall was going to qualify for the ballot, the bill was amended to provide the California Secretary of State $35 million to conduct the recall election. As of March 2021, two California legislators estimated that the recall election would cost $81 to $100 million. So why the $35 million amount? The California legislature isn’t usually quite so tight-fisted. As it turns out, that’s the exact amount the California Secretary of State’s office owed Biden-linked firm SKDKnickerbocker for “voter education” efforts in the 2020 election, invoices for which the California State Controller’s office told the agency there was no authorization to pay under CARES Act funds. That has to be just a coincidence, right? Throughout June there was increasing chatter that an earlier recall election date would favor Newsom, since his poll numbers were still good and it seemed that California would come roaring back after the indoor mask mandate was lifted June 15. But a few years ago California legislators had changed the recall laws to put more roadblocks to an election day in place, hoping to save Democrat Sen. Josh Newman from recall. Those roadblocks were now a problem, so on June 23, the bill was amended again. The June 23 amendment – entered the exact same day the Secretary of State certified the recall petition, meaning it had enough valid signatures to qualify for the ballot – allowed the Lt. Governor to set an earlier election date, mandated that every (alleged) registered voter receive a vote by mail ballot, set times for in-person voting centers, and expanded access to the Remote Access Vote By Mail Program to every (alleged) registered voter. Because, apparently, having a ballot mailed to them and access to vote in person still isn’t quite enough access for these people. Oh, and of course, these provisions are set to expire on January 1, 2022. Until the legislature inevitably decides they’re necessary for the future. The bill passed both houses on June 28 on essentially a party-line vote, the final version having been “in print” for only five days (maximum). It was chaptered the same day. Just three days later Lt. Gov Eleni Kounalakis set the September 14 date for the recall election. Ironically, September 14 was the earliest date counties around the state said they could possibly be prepared. In an AP article about the bill’s passage, Kiley was one of the GOP lawmakers quoted criticizing the bill: With no legislative review, Democratic Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis, a Newsom supporter, will be able to set an election date sooner. County clerks have said they need until at least Sept. 14 to be ready. “The conclusion is inescapable that Gavin Newsom is cheating in the recall and this Legislature is his willing accomplice,” said Republican Assemblyman Kevin Kiley, who is considering running in the contest. “It is an attempt to put a thumb on the scale, to try to obtain a partisan outcome for one side,” said GOP Assemblyman Vince Fong. Now, there’s nothing inherently bad about the RAVBM system. It was instituted for people with handicaps who use assistive technology as a matter of course, or for military members serving abroad. In the instance of a person with a handicap, it eliminates the need to have someone else physically fill out the ballot for them, which is good from a ballot harvesting perspective (they don’t need that “helpful hand” advising them). In regular elections, only voters meeting those criteria qualify to receive a RAVBM ballot and must specifically request it from their county. The county emails the voter a link to the ballot, which they fill out using whatever assistive technology they normally use, print, and mail back using the envelope in which they received their traditional vote-by-mail ballot.
Of course, when you turn the spigot to full flow on what was intended to be a carefully regulated exemption, the floodgates are open to massive injection of faked ballots which cannot be distinguished from legitimate ones and will materially affect outcomes and onward credibility of elections. They have to know that, which is frightening. KFkairosfocus
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Bob “What silent coup? “ The attempted silent coup to remove Trump from office. You do remember the years of lies perpetrated by the Justice Department’s FBI and the Steele Dossier? We now know now that the FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op and was a lie yet they kept using it to get FISA approval for surveillance on Trump and his associates. The FBI knowingly worked with and allowed the Democrat party to use the Steele dossier as a reason to impeach and remove him from office even though they knew the information was false. The special counsel knew early on that the dossier was BS but continued on for almost two years. The psychopath and pathological liars Schiff and Salwell repeatedly lied and said they had first hand proof of the collusion. When this fell apart the Dems moved on to another hoax and disinformation campaign over the Ukraine phone call. Hey Bob here is a suggestion, gaslight somebody else. Vividvividbleau
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F/N: Another report https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/08/08/where-is-your-god-now-portland-cops-do-nothing-as-antifa-attacks-prayer-event-led-by-persecuted-christian-pastor-n1467987 Here, I clip:
If you wondered what it looked like when Nazi brown shirts went after the churches in Germany, wonder no more: It probably looked like Portland on Saturday, when black bloc-outfitted antifa thugs burst into a waterfront prayer event featuring persecuted Canadian Pastor Artur Pawlowski. The antifa members sprayed those gathered, including toddlers, with chemicals and lobbed IEDs. “Where is your God, now?” taunted one of the attackers. ?Alert/Alerta Portland!? 1/5 They feel like they can do it in Salem so they’re coming to the Waterfront SATURDAY AUGUST 7th @NOON pic.twitter.com/abLnEtDztS — Willamette Valley Hate Watch (@UsVSbullies) July 21, 2021 Antifa has attacked at least one church before. Antifa members organized their violent attack via Twitter and other social media platforms. They later gloated on Twitter that they had stolen the Christian group’s food and water. Portland police watched as antifa bear-sprayed parents and their kids, lobbed “flash bombs” into the sparse crowd, and reportedly threw the group’s sound equipment into the Willamette River. This being Portland, police didn’t arrest antifa members for polluting the river, much less attacking people . . .
This pattern is all too familiar. Especially the cognitive dissonance-driven projection to the despised other that invites a diagnosis via the mirror principle. And oh, yes if you go to the social media enabling the attackers, you will find turnabout projection of blame pretending we were attacked first at an event allegedly with the bogeyman Proud Boys. Oh, ever so familiar . . . KFkairosfocus
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PPS: The witness reports a sadly familiar pattern, police standing by while antifa attacks a peaceful group including women, children are attacked with pyrotechnic devices, and it is only when the Christians move elsewhere that three police cars with officers in what sounds like riot gear follow them. I don't doubt that had Christians tried to defend themselves we would have had a Sandmann-style media slander ambush.kairosfocus
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PS: Another report, with interview of a witness on embedded videotape https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/witness-demonic-antifa-hurling-stun-grenades-fireworks-rotten-eggs-christian-women-children-babies-portland-park/ KFkairosfocus
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F/N: A report on the Portland shameless assault on an open air worship service https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/suspected-antifa-agitators-invade-portland-prayer-event-launch-unprovoked-attack-worshippers/ Video is linked onwards. KFkairosfocus
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Both Bob O'H and seversky are proudly and willfully ignorant of what the left did for 4 years while Trump was the PoTUS. Typical but still pathetic.ET
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BO'H, there is no doubt that from 2015 on there was an unprecedented agit-prop and lawfare wave that in 2020 moved to red guard involved continent-wide rioting, all clearly pushed by a known tainted establishment aka deep state. The Steele dossier and $45 million of dubious investigation sustained for years in the teeth of quickly accessible evidence of groundlessness speaks as emblematic. There are troubling signs and there is abundant testimony that the 2020 election was tainted, now being followed up through forensic audit. The imbalance between enabling a summer of riots and over-charging and general overreaction to a single significant incident of an ill advised protest march becoming riotous at fringes speaks, once we know about the Red Guard Coup of 1966 and about the Reichstag Fire of 1933. The party line that there's nothing to see here, move on, for cause, does not impress a sizeable proportion of the public. The two current issues highlighted yesterday speak to the situation. There is no way the California Secretary of State does not have access to know that such a voting system is extremely abuse-prone, and had the bogeymen of the day violently attacked a rally promoting various sexual agendas we would hear no end of it. The notion that we can stigmatise then declare open hunting season on people exercising basic freedoms, is heinous. The deafening silence on antifa here speaks for itself that something is seriously wrong. Indeed, your own silence in the face of such says something; duly noted. KF PS: I also note the studious sidelining of a ME breakthrough that, had it occurred with any other US President, would likely have been globally hailed and would just as likely have led to a Nobel Peace Prize.kairosfocus
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Vividbleu -
So Trump was responsible for the silent coup against himself?
What silent coup? Trump was removed from office in an election that was certainly not silent.Bob O'H
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seversky:
Yes, there are very serious concerns, such as why and how one of the largest constitutional democracies in the world could be shaken by a hodge-podge of ramshackle, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.
We agree. 2016-2020 saw a litany of leftwingnut hodge-podge, ramshackle, unsubstantiated election conspiracy theories. seversky and I agree on something!ET
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I understand why people like Bob O'H and seversky would want an incompetent puppet like Biden as the PoTUS. He is very easy to manipulate. Our southern border is a mess and it threatens the USA. Withdrawing from Afghanistan has opened the door for China to support the Taliban. And focusing on carbon and CO2 as the cause of climate change is short-sighted and ignorant. And now the vaccine mandates that will only hurt minorities and as such is a racist act.ET
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KF “Why isn’t this 24/7 news, as a riot and hate crime?” Of course we know why after all according to Homeland Security White supremacist are the threat , they are not white supremacists.Just imagine if this was a white supremacist group doing this say to a LGBTQ gathering!!! Vividvividbleau
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Bob, “I don’t think it should be that surprising that Trumpsters distrust the Government and virtually every major cultural institution in the US.” Bob “No, the way Trump & co. have been attacking the “Deep State”. So Trump was responsible for the silent coup against himself? For the four years of lies about Russia, the demonization and outright lies about Kavanaugh, Sandman, the mobilization of the media to censor the NY post story, the Ukraine hoax and on and on in goes.? To many to list. So none of this happened and now it’s Trumps fault that I have a profound distrust of these institutions. Laughable!! Vividvividbleau
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Sev “The most recent Department of Homeland Security bulletin warns of a growing domestic terror threat, not from Antifa but from white supremacists.” Of course they have and that is the point of the OP! What makes one a “white supremacist” ,can we define who is and who isn’t a white supremacist? Has Homeland Security defined the term? Vividvividbleau
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F/N: added to OP a screen capture showing the turnabout projection red guard tactics at work in Portland.kairosfocus
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Sev, at last we have a serious audit and likely more to follow. Just today, there is more evidence on the table that something is terribly wrong with elections in the US. We saw a whole summer of red guard rioting and this morning on following up VB I see it continues in horrific ways in Portland. It is time to wake up and smell the smoke. KFkairosfocus
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@bob I guess Trump always emphasized that he was the president of all Americans, and then made judgements accordingly. I think that is why he appointed Barr, and others, and did not appoint the more radical anti-socialists. I cannot really check your Antrim story, because I cannot find it again. The point is that the election system flipped the votes to Biden, without indicating any error had occurred, and then only a hunch that the results were incorrect was sufficient to check the results. Which means a hunch is good enought to do a forensic audit. And my judgement of it, given the available evidence, is that the USA election was fraudulent. The Dominion guy Coomer saying he made certain of it that Trump would not win, I find especially convincing. Also the large ballot drops of almost 100 percent Biden votes, followed by a large series of batches with the same percentage difference. Then there are the images of different ballots, that are photo copied duplicates. Then there is the general sense of Trump derangement syndrome, people obviously willing to cheat at elections. Socialists who cheat in every country in the world. Democrats who have a history of committing voter fraud. Obiously the election system needs to be re-designed to be verified for accuracy, the trust factor needs to be minimized.mohammadnursyamsu
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Bo'H, I did a web search, DDG, I find CONFIRMATORY information here: https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/remote-accessible-vote-mail This is surreal. KFkairosfocus
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kf @ 84 - Try this. Mohammadnursyamsu - I assume, then, that republicans are unhappy with the person who decided Barr was fit to be the most senior US government attorney.
At first Antrim county did an impromptu manual recount, which showed the machines shifted about 6000 votes from Trump to Biden.
Really? That's not what they say:
After discovering the error in reporting the unofficial results, the clerk worked diligently to report correct unofficial results by reviewing the printed totals tape on each tabulator and hand-entering the results for each race, for each precinct in the county.
Bob O'H
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@bob The East Pensylvania attorney general McSwain, said that Bill Barr instructed him not to investigate voter fraud. Also Bill Barr orchestrated the Durham investigation, which is a still ongoing joke. That is why Bill Barr is considered to be corrupt. I cannot verify that people didn't sell their votes on a large scale, and then dumped them in dropboxes. It's too difficult to verify. It is an insecure system. At first Antrim county did an impromptu manual recount, which showed the machines shifted about 6000 votes from Trump to Biden. Then later they did another authorized manual recount, which showed 12 vote shfit, from the already corrected results from the impromptu handcount. Then google buried the story of the initial 6000 voteshift, by manipulating the search results for it.mohammadnursyamsu
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Kairosfocus/80
BO’H: Enough has been given to show why there are serious concerns.
Yes, there are very serious concerns, such as why and how one of the largest constitutional democracies in the world could be shaken by a hodge-podge of ramshackle, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. Like you, I have looked at one website which aggregated all the supposed evidence for the Big Lie and I would love to hear how you think any of it would stand up in court when judged by Simon Greenleaf's standards of evidence.
You are inadvertently showing the dismissiveness of the elites that fails to understand that we are at threshold of fatal disaffection
Yes, there is widespread disaffection, among the poor, the disadvantaged, the dispossessed and those subject to blatant discrimination on the grounds of race or creed. When the plight of 45 million of the population of the richest country in the world who could not afford even basic health insurance could not be ignored, Obamacare was created. This immediately became anathema to Trumpicans who did everything in their power to undo it, even though they had - and still have - nothing but hot air to replace it. So who has done more to help those who really need it?
Across the past six years, the media discredited themselves. Just now, there is an incident of further Antifa, red guard riots, I bet there will be no obsessive 24/7 news cycle on a severe breach of the civil compact, attacking core freedoms through the slander you are fascists and so down to your CHILDREN you are prey that we can treat with violence with impunity.
Jan 6 was not an "Antifa, red guard riot". The most recent Department of Homeland Security bulletin warns of a growing domestic terror threat, not from Antifa but from white supremacists. And you don't address legitimate and long-standing grievances of minorities - exemplified by the Tulsa Race Massacre or all the bodies found buried in unmarked graves at the sites of the now-notorious so-called boarding schools for native American children - by smears about Antifa, Red Guard riots or wokeness. The whole world faces a host of daunting challenges such as the potentially-devastating long-term impacts of global climate change, how to govern and administer a global population now approaching 8bn who instinctively distrust and often despise remote central authorities, how to get food and water and power to those billions, how to carry away and dispose of the massive amount of waste they now produce, how to provide them with adequate health care. We aren't going to solve those by wallowing in half-baked conspiracy theories but if that's all most people are capable of grasping then I'd say our future as a species looks very bleak indeed.Seversky
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F/N: Please, somebody, tell me that the notice I am about to append to OP is false. Please, please, please. This extension of correspondence voting (already fraud conducive) is simply over the top if true. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: Wikipedia inadvertently exposes how Mao used the Red Guards as cannon fodder for a coup after his blunders had cost much harm and led to curtailment of his power:
Red Guards (simplified Chinese: ???; traditional Chinese: ???; pinyin: Hóng Wèib?ng) was a mass student-led paramilitary social movement mobilized and guided by Chairman Mao Zedong in 1966 through 1967, during the first phase of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, which he had instituted.[1] According to a Red Guard leader, the movement's aims were as follows: Chairman Mao has defined our future as an armed revolutionary youth organization.... So if Chairman Mao is our Red-Commander-in-Chief and we are his Red Guards, who can stop us? First we will make China Maoist from inside out and then we will help the working people of other countries make the world red...and then the whole universe.[2] Despite being met with resistance early on, the Red Guards received personal support from Mao, and the movement rapidly grew. The movement in Beijing culminated during the "Red August" of 1966, which later spread to other areas in mainland China.[3][4] Mao made use of the group as propaganda and to accomplish goals such as seizing power and destroying symbols of China's pre-communist past ("Four Olds"), including ancient artifacts and gravesites of notable Chinese figures. Moreover, the government was very permissive of the Red Guards, and even allowed the Red Guards to inflict bodily harm on people viewed as dissidents. The movement quickly grew out of control, frequently coming into conflict with authority and threatening public security until the government made efforts to rein the youths in, with even Mao himself finding the leftist students to have become too radical.[5] The Red Guard groups also suffered from in-fighting as factions developed among them. By the end of 1968, the group as a formal movement had dissolved.
The links to the Reichstag Fire incident beg to be drawn. KFkairosfocus
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BO'H: yes, it looks like a police officer shot an unarmed protester effectively without warning; I have a nagging suspicion there was nonsensical speculation about potential for suicide bombing or the like. I shouted stop but it was a noisy environment doesn't cut it. It looks like one or two others were crushed when police used flashbangs etc on a crowd leading to a crush. Dozens or hundreds are in gaol under dubious circumstances, facing massively over-charged accusations. One officer had several strokes and died a few days later; media falsely claimed murdered by rioters and there has never been a sound explanation, retraction and apology. The agit prop name is, atrocity stories. . Four to date have committed suicide, a questionable cluster. Meanwhile antifa etc continue apace. Accusations of armed rebellion, insurrection and instigation have been taken up by politicians, media and policing agencies, in the face of what is better described as an ill advised rally and march that had a fringe of disorderly behaviour. Much more can be said, and the ongoing audit process will tell us much more. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that the US election system has many public fact gross fraud conducive defects speaks, meanwhile. BTW, all of this is all too tellingly familiar to me, I have seen a 4th gen civil war up close and personal. A generation from now, many will still be in denial. We can only hope the damage to the US and globally, including geostrategic consequences, will not be catastrophic. I confess to my doubts. Grandchildren will rise up and call us, for cause, accursed. KFkairosfocus
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