HeKS raises a sobering point:
>>Darwinists . . . don’t seem to understand that people are capable of, for example, making ‘statements against interest’, or simply acknowledging facts and data that generally are inconsistent with evolutionary expectations, or with the popular notions of evolutionary theory, or with popular misconceptions regarding the evidence supporting the theory (or theories). Instead, they think – quite ridiculously – that it is inappropriate to quote anyone in support of a premise used in an anti-evolutionary argument unless the person being quoted agrees with a conclusion along the lines of “evolutionary theory is nonsense”.
This creates a ‘heads we win, tails you lose’ scenario, because if an ID proponent quotes an evolutionary biologist (or any other person in any field) who ‘believes in evolution’, then it is quote-mining, but if they quote someone else who also accepts ID, then the quote is to be understood as worthless, because the person they are quoting is already biased in their favor . . . >>
This all too common New Atheist/ Darwinist debater’s rhetorical stunt is an example of conclusion already in hand, let’s find some handy talking points. Yet another selectively hyperskeptical debate pattern that should be corrected by Darwinists and which should be avoided by us all.
Instead, while no authority is better than his facts and logic (i/l/o underlying assumptions), in practical argument, credible witnesses, summaries of experiences and facts, expert testimony to technical facts etc are all important to prudent reasoning.
So we need to assess the reasonable credibility of such sources, and we need to distinguish fact, logic and controlling assumptions. Where, it is very possible to make a key admission against interest — which is a key courtroom proof.
In that context, we then need to reckon with the context of arguments and warrant per inference to best explanation and other ways to ground a conclusion, however provisionally or however firmly.
Nor should we lose sight of the underlying worldviews level issues and influences:
HeKS has given us excellent food for thought. END