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It is important, as we go on to deal with understanding the deadlock on discussions about design theory, to understand how many evolutionary materialists and fellow travellers address evidence and reasoning.

For example, in recent weeks, here at UD, we have had to address how not even self-evident first principles of reason are regarded by many objectors to design thought.

Similarly, once record (or testimony) does not fit the preferred narrative, it is going to be dismissed as inadequate and/or delusional or as suspected of fakery.  In effect, after all, our senses and perceptions are not utterly reliable, so if something does not fit the lab coat clad evolutionary materialist narrative, something must be wrong.

The case of Jesus of Nazareth is emblematic, as it is frequently projected that there is insufficient evidence to ground the bare existence of such a figure.

For instance, we can find the dean of the New Atheists, Dr Richard Dawkins (late of Oxford University) in an interview with the September 2012 Playboy magazine (HT: UD News):

DAWKINS: The evidence [Jesus] existed is surprisingly shaky. The earliest books in the New Testament to be written were the Epistles, not the Gospels. It’s almost as though Saint Paul and others who wrote the Epistles weren’t that interested in whether Jesus was real. Even if he’s fictional, whoever wrote his lines was ahead of his time in terms of moral philosophy.
PLAYBOY: You’ve read the Bible.
DAWKINS: I haven’t read it all, but my knowledge of the Bible is a lot better than most fundamentalist Christians’.

Of course, this confident manner, breezy and contemptuous dismissal is the very opposite to what Paul wrote c. 55 AD, to the Corinthians regarding the core facts of the gospel transmitted to him through the official testimony communicated by Peter, James, John and other leading witnesses in Jerusalem, c. 35 – 38 AD. Testimony and record sealed in the blood of the martyrs.

In this context, it is worth the while to first pause and view Strobel’s 101 level summary presentation on The Case for Christ, as a first level response to the arguments that the world’s most famous carpenter and itinerant preacher never existed, or the like skeptical arguments:

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This is of course just a preliminary.

Likewise, dismissive skeptics would be well advised to pause and ponder Morison’s challenge in his famous, Who Moved the Stone, before they trash their own credibility as reasonable and responsible thinkers:

[N]ow the peculiar thing . . . is that not only did [belief in Jesus’ resurrection as in part testified to by the empty tomb] spread to every member of the Party of Jesus of whom we have any trace, but they brought it to Jerusalem and carried it with inconceivable audacity into the most keenly intellectual centre of Judaea . . . and in the face of every impediment which a brilliant and highly organised camarilla could devise. And they won. Within twenty years the claim of these Galilean peasants had disrupted the Jewish Church and impressed itself upon every town on the Eastern littoral of the Mediterranean from Caesarea to Troas. In less than fifty years it had began to threaten the peace of the Roman Empire . . . .

Why did it win? . . . .

We have to account not only for the enthusiasm of its friends, but for the paralysis of its enemies and for the ever growing stream of new converts . . . When we remember what certain highly placed personages would almost certainly have given to have strangled this movement at its birth but could not – how one desperate expedient after another was adopted to silence the apostles, until that veritable bow of Ulysses, the Great Persecution, was tried and broke in pieces in their hands [the chief persecutor became the leading C1 Missionary/Apostle!] – we begin to realise that behind all these subterfuges and makeshifts there must have been a silent, unanswerable fact. [Who Moved the Stone, (Faber, 1971; nb. orig. pub. 1930), pp. 114 – 115.]

In this context, we should ponder Simon Greenleaf (a founding figure for the modern theory of evidence) on what he termed the error of the skeptic, viz., what I have descriptively labelled selective hyperskepticism, in his Testimony of the Evangelists:

. . . the subject of inquiry [i.e. evidence relating to the credibility of the New Testament accounts] is a matter of fact, and not of abstract mathematical proof. The latter alone is susceptible of that high degree of proof, usually termed demonstration, which excludes the possibility of error . . . In the ordinary affairs of life we do not require nor expect [mathematically/logically] demonstrative evidence, because it is inconsistent with the nature of matters of fact, and to insist on its production would be unreasonable and absurd . . . The error of the skeptic [–> what I have descriptively termed selective hyperskepticism] consists in pretending or supposing that there is a difference in the nature of things to be proved; and in demanding demonstrative evidence concerning things which are not susceptible of any other than moral evidence alone, and of which the utmost that can be said is, that there is no reasonable doubt about their truth . . . .

Greenleaf went on to provide some tested, glorified common sense, long since court case tested rules of evidence, as summarised in the same Testimony of the Evangelists; on the strength of his magisterial Treatise on Evidence:

1] THE ANCIENT DOCUMENTS RULE: Every document, apparently ancient, coming from the proper repository or custody, and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine, and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise. [p.16.]

3] On Inquiries and Reports: If [a report] were “the result of inquiries, made under competent public authority, concerning matters in which the public are concerned” it would . . . be legally admissible . . . To entitle such results, however, to our full confidence, it is not necessary that they be obtained under a legal commission; it is sufficient if the inquiry is gravely undertaken and pursued, by a person of competent intelligence, sagacity and integrity. The request of a person in authority, or a desire to serve the public, are, to all moral intents, as sufficient a motive as a legal commission. [p. 25. Cf here especially the archaeologically well supported, historical backbone of the NT, Luke-Acts, given Luke’s famous preface and thesis statement at the beginning of Luke Ch 1: “1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.]

4] Probability of Truthfulness: In trials of fact, by oral testimony, the proper inquiry is not whether it is possible that the testimony may be false, but whether there is a sufficient probability that it is true. [p. 28.]

5] Criteria of Proof: A proposition of fact is proved, when its truth is established by competent and satisfactory evidence. By competent evidence is meant such as the nature of the thing to be proved requires; and by satisfactory evidence is meant that amount of proof, which ordinarily satisfies an unprejudiced mind [in British usage, the man in the Clapham Bus Stop], beyond any reasonable doubt. [pp. 28 – 9.]

6] Credibility of Witnesses: In the absence of circumstances which generate suspicion, every witness is to be presumed credible, until the contrary is shown; the burden of impeaching his credibility lying on the objector. [p. 29]

7] Credit due to testimony: The credit due to the testimony of witnesses depends upon, firstly, their honesty; secondly, their ability; thirdly, their number and the consistency of their testimony; fourthly, the conformity of their testimony with experience; and fifthly, the coincidence of their testimony with collateral circumstances. [p.31.]

8] Ability of a Witness to speak truth: the ability of a witness to speak the truth depends on the opportunities which he has had for observing the facts, the accuracy of his powers of discerning, and the faithfulness of his memory in retaining the facts, once observed and known . . . It is always to be presumed that men are honest, and of sound mind, and of the average and ordinary degree of intelligence . . . Whenever an objection is raised in opposition to ordinary presumptions of law, or to the ordinary experience of mankind, the burden of proof is devolved on the objector. [pp. 33 – 4.]

9] Internal coherence and external corroboration: Every event which actually transpires has its appropriate relation and place in the vast complication of circumstances, of which the affairs of men consist; it owes its origin to the events which have preceded it, it is intimately connected with all others which occur at the same time and place, and often with those of remote regions, and in its turn gives birth to numberless others which succeed. In all this almost inconceivable contexture, and seeming discord, there is perfect harmony; and while the fact, which really happened, tallies exactly with every other contemporaneous incident, related to it in the remotest degree, it is not possible for the wit of man to invent a story, which, if closely compared with the actual occurrences of the same time and place, may not be shown to be false. [p. 39.]

10] Marks of false vs true testimony: a false witness will not willingly detail any circumstances in which his testimony will be open to contradiction, nor multiply them where there is a danger of his being detected by a comparison of them with other accounts, equally circumstantial . . . Therefore, it is, that variety and minuteness of detail are usually regarded as certain test[s] of sincerity, if the story, in the circumstances related, is of a nature capable of easy refutation, if it were false . . . . [False witnesses] are often copious and even profuse in their statements, as far as these may have been previously fabricated, and in relation to the principal matter; but beyond this, all will be reserved and meagre, from fear of detection . . . in the testimony of the true witness there is a visible and striking naturalness of manner, and an unaffected readiness and copiousness in the detail of circumstances, as well in one part of the narrative as another, and evidently without the least regard to the facility or difficulty of verification or detection . . . the increased number of witnesses to circumstances, and the increased number of circumstances themselves, all tend to increase the probability of detection if the witnesses are false . . . Thus the force of circumstantial evidence is found to depend on the number of particulars involved in the narrative; the difficulty of fabricating them all, if false, and the great facility of detection; the nature of the circumstances to be compared, and from which the dates and other facts to are be collected; the intricacy of the comparison; the number of intermediate steps in the process of deduction; and the circuity of the investigation. The more largely the narrative partake[s] of these characteristics, the further it will be found removed from all suspicion of contrivance or design, and the more profoundly the mind will rest in the conviction of its truth. [pp. 39 – 40.]

12] The degree of coherence expected of true witnesses: substantial truth, under circumstantial variety. There is enough of discrepancy to show that there could have been no previous concert among them, and at the same time such substantial agreement as to show that they all were independent narrators of the same great transaction, as the events actually occurred. [p.34. All cites from The Testimony of the Evangelists (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Classics, 1995). The First Easter’s timeline gives a good case in point, given the focal issue here. You may find it profitable to also examine Edwin Yamauchi’s review and W L Craig’s remarks on the resurrection vs the current version of the hallucination hypothesis. Craig’s critical assessment of the Jesus Seminar is also well worth the time to read it.]

In this context, Habermas’ UCSB lecture on the minimal facts is well worth viewing:

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Also, Paul Maier on the historicity of Jesus vs fashionable skeptical narratives:

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It is further worth a pause to note Paul Barnett’s summary of the record of early non-Christian sources on the basic facts of the early Christian movement and particularly the existence of Jesus as an historical figure:

On the basis of . . . non-Christian sources [i.e. Tacitus (Annals, on the fire in Rome, AD 64; written ~ AD 115), Rabbi Eliezer (~ 90’s AD; cited J. Klausner, Jesus of Nazareth (London: Collier-Macmillan, 1929), p. 34), Pliny (Letters to Trajan from Bithynia, ~ AD 112), Josephus (Antiquities, ~ 90’s)] it is possible to draw the following conclusions:

  1. Jesus Christ was executed (by crucifixion?) in Judaea during the period where Tiberius was Emperor (AD 14 – 37) and Pontius Pilate was Governor (AD 26 – 36). [Tacitus]
  2. The movement spread from Judaea to Rome. [Tacitus]
  3. Jesus claimed to be God and that he would depart and return. [Eliezer]
  4. His followers worshipped him as (a) god. [Pliny]
  5. He was called “the Christ.” [Josephus]
  6. His followers were called “Christians.” [Tacitus, Pliny]
  7. They were numerous in Bithynia and Rome [Tacitus, Pliny]
  8. It was a world-wide movement. [Eliezer]
  9. His brother was James. [Josephus]

[Is the New Testament History? (London, Hodder, 1987), pp. 30 – 31. Cf. McDowell & Wilson, He Walked Among Us (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1993) for more details; free for download here.]

A video presentation on such extra-bliblical support:

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Likewise, we can trace and summarise the chain of custody of the NT accounts, thanks to McDowell and Wilson:

The chain of custody on the NT
The chain of custody on the NT

Cumulatively, the weight of textual evidence for the NT is overwhelming relative to the rest of classical literature, and grounds the authenticity of the text beyond reasonable dispute. The credibility of the basic narrative rests on the patent fact that it is eyewitness lifetime record, maintained in many cases at the price of peacefully surrendering one’s life to judicial murder or mob lynching rather than deny solemn, sacred trust of truth. A testimony that within a generation shook the foundations of Rome and drew the ire of the demonically mad emperor Nero, as the Christian movement grew and became unstoppable. All, backed up by a pattern of archaeological-historical confirmation and support summed up by Craig Evans in his 2004 Benthal public lecture:

The story told in the New Testament Gospels—in contrast to the greatly embellished versions found in the Gospel of Peter and other writings— smacks of verisimilitude. The women went to the tomb to mourn privately and to perform duties fully in step with Jewish burial customs. They expected to find the body of Jesus; ideas of resurrection were the last thing on their minds. The careful attention given the temporary tomb is exactly what we should expect. Pious fiction—like that seen in the Gospel of Peter— would emphasize other things. Archaeology can neither prove nor disprove the resurrection, but it can and has shed important light on the circumstances surrounding Jesus’ death, burial, and missing corpse . . . .

Research in the historical Jesus has taken several positive steps in recent years. Archaeology, remarkable literary discoveries, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and progress in reassessing the social, economic, and political setting of first-century Palestine have been major factors. Notwithstanding the eccentricities and skepticism of the Jesus Seminar, the persistent trend in recent years is to see the Gospels as essentially reliable, especially when properly understood, and to view the historical Jesus in terms much closer to Christianity’s traditional understanding, i.e., as proclaimer of God’s rule, as understanding himself as the Lord’s anointed, and, indeed, as God’s own son, destined to rule Israel. But this does not mean that the historical Jesus that has begun to emerge in recent years is simply a throwback to the traditional portrait. The picture of Jesus that has emerged is more finely nuanced, more obviously Jewish, and in some ways more unpredictable than ever. The last word on the subject has not been written and probably never will be. Ongoing discovery and further investigation will likely force us to make further revisions as we read and read again the old Gospel stories and try to come to grips with the life of this remarkable Galilean Jew.

In this context, it is finally worth doing some summing up on the minimal facts:

The minimal facts method only uses sources which are multiply attested, and agreed to by a majority of scholars (ranging from atheist to conservative). This requires that they have one or more of the following criteria which are relevant to textual criticism:

  1. Multiple sources – If two or more sources attest to the same fact, it is more likely authentic
  2. Enemy attestation – If the writers enemies corroborate a given fact, it is more likely authentic
  3. Principle of embarrassment – If the text embarrasses the writer, it is more likely authentic
  4. Eyewitness testimony – First hand accounts are to be prefered
  5. Early testimony – an early account is more likely accurate than a later one

Having first established the well attested facts, the approach then argues that the best explanation of these agreed to facts is the resurrection of Jesus Christ . . . . [Source: “Minimal facts” From Apologetics Wiki. Full article: here. (Courtesy, Wayback Machine.)]

Why is that so?

The easiest answer is to simply list the facts that meet the above criteria and are accepted by a majority to an overwhelming majority of recent and current scholarship after centuries of intense debate:

[THE TWELVE “MINIMAL FACTS”]

1. Jesus died by crucifixion [–> which implies his historicity!].

2. He was buried.

3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.

4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).

5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof). [–> Note, the fact-finding is a cautious statement as to what the disciples believed based on their individual and collective experiences; this is not a miracle claim]

6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.

7. The resurrection was the central message.

8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem. [–> dating to the 30’s AD, per the consensus on the source and timing of the recorded (c. AD 55) creedal summary with identified lead witnesses found in 1 Cor 15:1 – 11]

9. The Church was born and grew.

10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.

11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).

12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).

[Cf. Habermas’ paper here and a broader more popular discussion here. NT Wright’s papers here and here give a rich and deep background analysis. Here is a video of a pastoral presentation of a subset of the facts. Habermas presents the case as videos here and here, in two parts. Here is a video of a debate he had with Antony Flew.]

The list of facts is in some respects fairly obvious.

That a Messiah candidate was captured, tried and crucified — as Gamaliel hinted at — was effectively the death-knell for most such movements in Israel in the era of Roman control; to have to report such a fate was normally embarrassing and discrediting to the extreme in a shame-honour culture. The Jews of C1 Judaea wanted a victorious Greater David to defeat the Romans and usher in the day of ultimate triumph for Israel, not a crucified suffering servant.  In the cases where a movement continued, the near relatives took up the mantle. That is facts 1 – 3 right there. Facts 10 – 12 are notorious. While some (it looks like about 25% of the survey of scholarship, from what I have seen) reject no 4, in fact it is hard to see a message about a resurrection in C1 that did not imply that the body was living again, as Wright discusses here. Facts 5 – 9 are again, pretty clearly grounded.

So, the challenge is to explain this cluster or important subsets of it, without begging questions and without selective hyperskepticism. The old Deist objections (though sometimes renewed today) have deservedly fallen by the wayside. [Also, cf. ten video shorts on popular myths here.]

We may briefly compare:

“Theory”
Match to four major credible facts regarding Jesus of Nazareth & his Passion
Overall score/20
Died by crucifixion
(under Pontius Pilate) at
Jerusalem
c 30 AD
Was buried, tomb was found empty
Appeared to multiple disciples,
many of whom proclaimed
& suffered for their
faith
Appeared to key
objectors who then became church leaders: James & Paul
Bodily Resurrection
5
5
5
5
20
Visions/
hallucinations
5
2
2
1
10
Swoon/recovery
1
3
2
2
8
Wrong tomb
5
1
1
1
8
Stolen body/fraud
5
2
1
1
9
Quran 4:155 -6: “They did not slay him, neither crucified him.” 1 1 1 1 4
 “Jesus never existed” 1 1 1 1 4
 “Christianity as we know it was cooked up by Constantine and  others at Nicea, who censored/ distorted the original record” 1 1 1 1 4
“What we have today is ‘Paulianity,’ not the original teachings of Jesus and his disciples” 2 1 1 2 6
Christianity — including the resurrection —  is a gradually emerging legend based on a real figure
5
1
1
1
8
Complete legend/pagan copycat (Greek, Persian, Egyptian, etc)
1
1
1
1
4

(I have given my scores above, based on reasoning that should be fairly obvious. As an exercise you may want to come up with your own scores on a 5 – 1 scale: 5 = v. good/ 4 = good/ 3 = fair/ 2 = poor/ 1 = v. poor, with explanations. Try out blends of the common skeptical theories to see how they would fare.)

Laying a priori anti-supernaturalism aside as a patent case of worldview level question-begging closed mindedness, the above table shows that there are two serious candidates today, the resurrection as historically understood, or some version of a collective vision/hallucination that led to a sincere (but plainly mistaken) movement.

The latter of course runs into  the problem that such collective visions are not psychologically plausible as the cultural expectations of a resurrection would have been of a general one in the context of the obvious military triumph of Israel. Nor, does it explain the apparently missing body. Moreover, we know separately, that the culturally accepted alternative would have been individual prophetic visions of the exalted that on being shared would comfort the grieving that the departed rested with God. So, an ahead of time individual breakthrough resurrection — even, one that may be accompanied by some straws in the wind of what is to come in fulness at the end — is not part of the mental furniture of expectations in C1 Judaism.  Where, hallucinations and culturally induced visions are going to be rooted in such pre-existing mental “furniture.”

Where, also — tellingly — the women who bought spices and went to the tomb that morning plainly expected to find it occupied by a dead prophet, one unjustly judicially murdered as so many others had been.  (And if you doubt the account that reports how these women became the first to discover the tomb and to see the risen Messiah, consider how dismissive C1 Jews were to the testimony of “hysterical” — that very word in English is rooted in the Greek for womb, hustera (reflecting a very old prejudice . . . ) — women. Such an embarrassing point would only be admitted if the reporter was seeking to tell the full truth as best as he could, regardless of how poorly it would come across to his audience; a C1 audience, not a C21 one.)

The Easter event cuts across all reasonable cultural expectations, and obviously forced a much closer — transforming — look at messianic prophetic passages such as Isa 52 – 53 which plainly led to an aha moment.

Notwithstanding, I can understand how someone can come to a conclusion that the famous carpenter from Nazareth turned itinerant preacher ran into troubles with local and colonial authorities and paid with his life. Then, maybe someone is willing to argue that (despite the problems) some of the followers had visions that convinced them that he was risen from death and against all odds stood in the teeth of concerted powers to the point where at length after a bloody trail of woe, persecution and peaceful martyrdom, the Christian faith prevailed.

But the sort of dismissiveness about the bare historicity of the carpenter from Galilee — itself BTW, a major point of admitting an embarrassing fact that in those days was enough to make many inclined to dismiss — does not come across as reasonably warranted by evidence.

Frankly, it comes across as smacking of ideological desperation to lock out of consideration a major but unwelcome worldview alternative, ethical theism in the Judaeo Christian tradition.

And, in that context, the matter sheds a telling light on the attitudes and agendas that seem to lurk in the background of debates over things like the design inference.

In short, I am appealing for a less polarised, less intransigently hyperskeptical approach to evidence and warrant. And, not just for the design issue. I frankly fear that the locked-in agenda approach is a big part of a march of folly now in progress at all sorts of levels across our civilisation. A civilisation that, to me, seems to be on a collision course with reality — and which is inclined to forget that those who despise the lessons of history bought with blood and tears doom themselves to pay much the same price yet again.

change_challCan we not find a better way? Before it is too late? END

 

Comments
The primary issue here is of course, Jesus never existed.
And the best evidence that he did is that the mythicists' best efforts are so awful. Frankly, I find it difficult to see how Christianity could have appeared without a real Christ to st<rt it. So even if the Gospels and other early writings are not entirely accurate, I'm sure there's a kernel of truth there.Bob O'H
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Seversky, The primary issue here is of course, Jesus never existed. The point is, that those who dismiss the historic evidence, do so by selective hyperskepticism in the teeth of serious evidence. On the secondary issue, was Jesus only a carpenter who got into trouble and was killed for it, that is a matter that pivots on many further factors and issues. In which context, the mere assertion that religions may all be "man-made" is not adequate to fatally undermine confidence. The issue being, not whether something may potentially be false in the abstract but whether there is a reasonable case on the matter that provides good warrant sufficient to make serious decisions on. For me, for example, that God is, is a matter of ontological, cosmological, moral and to a lesser extent teleological issues. (Yes, lesser extent.) And, personally, I have no real doubt because I have met him, not least in his saving my life decades past. Millions of others have met him too in similarly miracle-working, life transforming power. Pivotally, in a world that requires a necessary being root, and in which I cannot reasonably hold that moral governance is a delusion, I find it a sobering challenge that God as serious candidate necessary being will either be impossible due to incompatible core characteristics or else actual as integral to the framework of a possible world. A possible world in which morality very much seems a real feature. Next, we come to the historic, Judaeo-Christian tradition and its documentary foundation. First, history is not hearsay, and sound record does not evaporate into dismissible myth merely because of skeptical convenience. To start with, on pain of the principle that sound history was bought with blood and tears so those who neglect or dismiss it doom themselves to pay much the same price again, there manifestly was a past, and good report on that past will stand reasonable scrutiny of record and traces. I note Greenleaf, with my enumeration and labels, first, 3rd - 5th, 7th - 9th rules:
1] THE ANCIENT DOCUMENTS RULE: Every document, apparently ancient, coming from the proper repository or custody, and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine, and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise. [p.16.] 3] On Inquiries and Reports: If [a report] were "the result of inquiries, made under competent public authority, concerning matters in which the public are concerned" it would . . . be legally admissible . . . To entitle such results, however, to our full confidence, it is not necessary that they be obtained under a legal commission; it is sufficient if the inquiry is gravely undertaken and pursued, by a person of competent intelligence, sagacity and integrity. The request of a person in authority, or a desire to serve the public, are, to all moral intents, as sufficient a motive as a legal commission. [p. 25.] 4] Probability of Truthfulness: In trials of fact, by oral testimony, the proper inquiry is not whether it is possible that the testimony may be false, but whether there is a sufficient probability that it is true. [p. 28.] 5] Criteria of Proof: A proposition of fact is proved, when its truth is established by competent and satisfactory evidence. By competent evidence is meant such as the nature of the thing to be proved requires; and by satisfactory evidence is meant that amount of proof, which ordinarily satisfies an unprejudiced mind, beyond any reasonable doubt. [pp. 28 - 9.] 7] Credit due to testimony: The credit due to the testimony of witnesses depends upon, firstly, their honesty; secondly, their ability; thirdly, their number and the consistency of their testimony; fourthly, the conformity of their testimony with experience; and fifthly, the coincidence of their testimony with collateral circumstances. [p.31.] 8] Ability of a Witness to speak truth: the ability of a witness to speak the truth depends on the opportunities which he has had for observing the facts, the accuracy of his powers of discerning, and the faithfulness of his memory in retaining the facts, once observed and known . . . It is always to be presumed that men are honest, and of sound mind, and of the average and ordinary degree of intelligence . . . Whenever an objection is raised in opposition to ordinary presumptions of law, or to the ordinary experience of mankind, the burden of proof is devolved on the objector. [pp. 33 - 4.] 9] Internal coherence and external corroboration: Every event which actually transpires has its appropriate relation and place in the vast complication of circumstances, of which the affairs of men consist; it owes its origin to the events which have preceded it, it is intimately connected with all others which occur at the same time and place, and often with those of remote regions, and in its turn gives birth to numberless others which succeed. In all this almost inconceivable contexture, and seeming discord, there is perfect harmony; and while the fact, which really happened, tallies exactly with every other contemporaneous incident, related to it in the remotest degree, it is not possible for the wit of man to invent a story, which, if closely compared with the actual occurrences of the same time and place, may not be shown to be false. [p. 39.]
In short, the pivotal issue, is whether or no the NT documents are reasonably to be regarded as primary, credible historical sources in the core affirmations relevant to the twelve minimal facts as adduced. As to custody chain, that is sufficient to show that the substantial core is authentic, textual critical debates do not affect this. Nor do I need to try to argue some theory or other of inspiration etc. (Not least, lions don't need to be defended, just unleashed.) The Rylands codex fragment suffices to bookend the NT as C1, especially when we see the usage of 25 of 27 documents by 96 - 115 AD -- and recognised as sacred scripture of implicit authority and authenticity on par with the received OT tradition -- in the circle of the first three writing Fathers. Likewise, the recognition of early creedal traditions and hymns dating in the case of 1 Cor 15:1 - 11 to 35 - 38 AD clearly shows the sort of documentation we are dealing with. As to the various skeptical theological attitudes, first I cite the late Bultmannian turned Evangelical by dint of actually encountering the transforming power of God, Eta Linneman . . . yes, she who literally tossed her own earlier works in the garbage and asked others to do the same, eventually going to Indonesia as a Missionary teacher:
Theology as it is taught in universities all over the world . . . is based on the historical-critical method . . . . [which] is not just the foundation for the exegetical disciplines. It also decides what the systematician can say . . . It determines procedure in Christian education, homiletics and ethics . . . . Research is conducted ut si Deus non daretur (“as if there were no God”). That means the reality of God is excluded from consideration from the start . . . Statements in Scripture regarding place, time, sequences of events and persons are accepted only insofar as they fit in with established assumptions and theories . . . . Since other religions have their scriptures, one cannot assume the Bible is somehow unique and superior to them . . . . It is taken for granted that the words of the Bible and God’s word are not identical . . . the New Testament is pitted against the Old Testament, assuming that the God of the New Testament is different from that of the Old, since Jesus is said to have introduced a new concept of God . . . . Since the inspiration of Scripture is not accepted, neither can it be assumed that the individual books of Scripture complement each other. Using this procedure one finds in the Bible only a handful of unrelated literary creations . . . . Since the content of biblical writings is seen as merely the creation of theological writers, any given verse is nothing more than a non-binding, human theological utterance. For historical-critical theology, critical reason decides what is reality in the Bible and what cannot be reality; and this decision is made on the basis of the everyday experience accessible to every person [i.e. the miraculous aspect of Scripture, and modern reports of miracles -- regardless of claimed attestation -- are dismissed as essentially impossible to verify and/or as merely “popular religious drivel”] . . . . . Due to the presuppositions that are adopted, critical reason loses sight of the fact that the Lord, our God, the Almighty, reigns. [Historical Criticism of the Bible: Methodology or Ideology? (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1993), pp. 83 – 88 as excerpted. Emphases in original; parenthetical notes in square brackets: [ ].]
Likewise, the exchange between Robinson and Dodd, described in Wikipedia's article on J A T Robinson, c 2012, is revealing on a major attitude-presupposition problem in academic theology:
Although Robinson was within the liberal theology tradition, he challenged the work of colleagues in the field of exegetical criticism. Specifically, Robinson examined the New Testament's reliability, because he believed that very little original research had been completed in the field during the period between 1900 and the mid-1970s. Concluding his research, he wrote in his work, Redating the New Testament,[13] that past scholarship was based on a "tyranny of unexamined assumptions" and an "almost willful blindness". Robinson concluded that much of the New Testament was written before AD 64, partly based on his judgement that there is little textual evidence that the New Testament reflects knowledge of the Temple's AD 70 destruction. In relation to the four gospels' dates of authorship, Robinson placed Matthew at 40 to after 60, Mark at about 45 to 60, Luke at before 57 to after 60, and John at from 40 to after 65.[14][15] Robinson also argued that the letter of James was penned by a brother of Jesus Christ within twenty years of Jesus’ death, that Paul authored all the books that bear his name, and that the apostle John wrote the fourth Gospel. Robinson also opined that because of his investigations, a rewriting of many theologies of the New Testament was in order.[16][17][18] C. H. Dodd, in a frank letter to Robinson wrote: "I should agree with you that much of the late dating is quite arbitrary, even wanton, the offspring not of any argument that can be presented, but rather of the critic's prejudice that, if he appears to assent to the traditional position of the early church, he will be thought no better than a stick-in-the-mud."[19]
When it comes to Ehrman, his opening remark is not a reasonable representation of the circumstances. Yes, many have sought to find any way to avoid the conclusion that there is a substantial core authentic record in the NT that comes from indisputably primary witnesses and authors. The Gospels and Acts have never had any historic dispute as to authors, save for which John is meant. And, the evidence points to John bar Zebedee. Taking jut the epistles of Paul that are too strong for the critical methods to throw into serious dispute, Rom, 1 Cor, Gal, 1 Thess alone are more than sufficient to ground the historical and theological core of the NT church. By AD 64 - 67, The Christian faith enters mainstream Roman history with the patently false accusation of arson by Nero, and the judicial murders surrounding it. Likewise Josephus' account of the Jewish war and circumstances suffices to document Jewish-Christian issues, perspectives and chief characters intersecting by the 60's, and that without any serious problems over the alleged insertions in one text. Probing into the self-consciously historical report to a patron, Lk-Ac, we find a backbone history from c 4 - 6 BC to 62 AD, which has abundant archaeological corroboration and uses MK as a primary trustworthy source. Luke's historical interest and the known deaths of his three principals across the 60's connected to circumstances in Judaea and Rome, suffices to justify a date for Lk-Ac as at least initially complete draft, 57 - 62 AD or thereabouts. Which is the context of Robinson's famous conclusion that there is no good reason to hold that any NT book is post 70 AD. That puts Mk into the window 40 - 60 AD, likely 50's. And in any case even later dating will not undermine the core 12 minimal facts, which are what has to be accounted for on any reasonable theory of the passion of Jesus of Nazareth and its connexion to the beginnings of the Christian movement as a global phenomenon. Notice, as summarised, the criteria that earned the sort of super-majority support that put the listed specific items on the list in the OP, one by one:
Multiple sources – If two or more sources attest to the same fact, it is more likely authentic Enemy attestation – If the writers enemies corroborate a given fact, it is more likely authentic Principle of embarrassment – If the text embarrasses the writer, it is more likely authentic Eyewitness testimony – First hand accounts are to be prefered Early testimony – an early account is more likely accurate than a later one
The challenge here is then to account for the twelve credible facts. My own quick and dirty remark on them, in the OP, is:
That a Messiah candidate was captured, tried and crucified — as Gamaliel hinted at — was effectively the death-knell for most such movements in Israel in the era of Roman control; to have to report such a fate was normally embarrassing and discrediting to the extreme in a shame-honour culture. The Jews of C1 Judaea wanted a victorious Greater David to defeat the Romans and usher in the day of ultimate triumph for Israel, not a crucified suffering servant. In the cases where a movement continued, the near relatives took up the mantle. That is facts 1 – 3 right there. Facts 10 – 12 are notorious. While some (it looks like about 25% of the survey of scholarship, from what I have seen) reject no 4, in fact it is hard to see a message about a resurrection in C1 that did not imply that the body was living again, as Wright discusses here. Facts 5 – 9 are again, pretty clearly grounded.
A glance at the tabulation will show there are two serious alternatives, the collective hallucination that led to sincere transformation, and the historic Christian view. Where the former faces a major problem with the vera causa principle and a linked problem that hallucinations can only come from pre-existing mental furniture, which does not run along the lines of the early Christian report. The second, cuts across a major worldview commitment by many in our day. This balance of difficulties provides more than adequate explanation for the commonplace attempts to sweep away the whole historic question. But those attempts manifestly fail. And we have not yet touched the millions transformed by living encounter with God in the face of the risen Christ, conveyed by the very same scriptures and the Power behind them. This is the reason why the skepticism cannot in the end succeed. Too many people know the truth from the inside, and too many others see or have seen the impact of the truth in these lives. And the incidents in an English class at Umpqua Community College this past week, are only the latest in a very long line on that impact and what it means in lives. It also highlights the demons that we are letting loose in our civilisation as so many have set out on demonising and discrediting Bible-believing Christians as ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked, even as destructive threats to our civilisation. The blood of the martyrs who -- peacefully -- will not surrender truth to save life speaks against all such, even as it spoke to both Pliny the Younger in Bithynia and Trajan [likely in Rome] c 112 AD. KFkairosfocus
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Seversky @11,
for over a century there has been a broad consensus among scholars that many of the books of the New Testament were not written by the people whose names are attached to them.
This is because Scripture scholarship went to hell in a hand basket in the mid 19th century, beginning with faithless, "scientific" textual criticism of the Scriptures by German "scholars." This spread like a disease to many denominations
Why do they contain so many contradictions?
These "contradictions" are a sign of the authenticity of the Gospels. If they were contrived they would agree in every detail. This is why a police detective would get suspicious if every witness to a crime, even though all of them saw things from their own unique perspective, had exactly the same story in every detail. Honest accounts of events by multiple witnesses will not be identical in every detail. That is to be expected. That rings true. The Gospels ring true. It is not like these modern "scholars" were the first ones to notice contradictions among the four Gospels. St. Augustine's Harmony of the Gospels beautifully addressed these apparent contradictions 1,700 years ago. He noticed and resolved many more apparent discrepancies than contemporary "scholars" have "discovered." These modern "scholars" have no idea how they reveal their ignorance when they behave as though they have discovered a contradiction in the Gospels that is devastating to their veracity; they make a big deal out of a matter that the Church was already aware of when it decided which writings were to be considered "Gospels." These discrepancies were resolved by Christian scholars long, long ago. These crackpots would only be amusing if there weren't naïve Christians who take them seriously.harry
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Personally, I have no difficulty with the possibility that there existed in the Middle East around two thousand years ago an itinerant preacher, son of a carpenter, called Jesus in English. I can also allow that he was the founder of the religion we now know as Christianity. The crucial question is whether that is all that he was. Unless you believe that the likes of Mormonism and Scientology were both divinely inspired then the possibility exists that all religions are human inventions Any faith claiming to be the One True Faith will have to show why if it is to convert people. There are a number of ancient documents which are the written accounts that comprise the evidence for the existence of this man. The oft-cited Ancient Documents Rule provides certain guidelines for whether or not we can assume them to be authentic but validating an ancient document as authentic does not necessarily validate the contents as being true. The rules concerning hearsay, including multiple hearsay, can also apply. Quoting from this review of the rule in the Santa Clara Law Review:
I. INTRODUCTION This article analyzes whether statements in a document properly authenticated as "ancient" pursuant to Federal Rule of Evidence 901(b)(8) are subject to the rule against multiple hearsay. I conclude that the rule against multiple hearsay applies to such statements in ancient documents. In order for a given statement in an ancient document to be admissible to prove the truth of the matter asserted, the statement must either be within the personal knowledge of the author or qualify under a separate exception to the hearsay rule. For each level of hearsay present within the document, the party offering the hearsay evidence must demonstrate that an exception to the hearsay rule applies. Federal Rule of Evidence 802 provides that "[h]earsay' isnot admissible except as provided by these rules or by other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority or by Act of Congress."2 Rule 803 sets out a number of exceptions to this rule, including the following: "(16)[s]tatements in ancient documents" and "[s]tatements in a document in existence twenty years or more the authenticity of which is established."3 Authenticating a document as "ancient" is accomplished by satisfying the straightforward standards of Rule 901, including 901(b)(8)."' The legal question is thus presented: does authenticating a document as "ancient" ean that every statement contained in it is automatically excepted from the hearsay rule by operation of Rule 803(16)? Rooted in Rule 805 is a general rule against hearsay within hearsay.' "Hearsay within hearsay, or multiple hearsay, occurs when a witness, W, attempts to testify that A told W what B said."' Multiple hearsay is "wholly inadmissible when any single out-of-court statement fails to qualify under an exclusion from or exception to the hearsay rule. In other words, the testimony is inadmissible if A's statement is admissible but B's is not or if B's statement is admissible but A's is not
VII. CONCLUSION The rule against multiple hearsay should apply to statements in ancient documents. While the language of the ancient document rule is ambiguous on this point, this conclusion is driven by the legislative history of Rule 803(16) and the treatment of multiple hearsay in ancient documents underthe common law. In order for a statement in an ancient document to be admissible to prove the truth of the matter asserted, the party seeking to have the statement admitted must demonstrate that the statement is either: (1) within the personal knowledge of the author; or (2) falls under a separate exception to the hearsay rule. For each level of hearsay within the ancient document, the proponent of the admission of the statement must demonstrate that it falls within an exception to the hearsay rule. This conclusion is confirmed by the few cases that have addressed the issue expressly, and is also supported as good policy.
Couple that with the following excerpted from Jesus, Interrupted by Bart D. Ehrman.
Who Wrote The Gospels? Though it is evidently not the sort of thing pastors normally tell their congregations, for over a century there has been a broad consensus among scholars that many of the books of the New Testament were not written by the people whose names are attached to them. So if that is the case, who did write them?
As we have just seen, the Gospels are filled with discrepancies large and small. Why are there so many differences among the four Gospels? These books are called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John because they were traditionally thought to have been written by Matthew, a disciple who was a tax collector; John, the "Beloved Disciple" mentioned in the Fourth Gospel; Mark, the secretary of the disciple Peter; and Luke, the traveling companion of Paul. These traditions can be traced back to about a century after the books were written. But if Matthew and John were both written by earthly disciples of Jesus, why are they so very different, on all sorts of levels? Why do they contain so many contradictions? Why do they have such fundamentally different views of who Jesus was? In Matthew, Jesus comes into being when he is conceived, or born, of a virgin; in John, Jesus is the incarnate Word of God who was with God in the beginning and through whom the universe was made. In Matthew, there is not a word about Jesus being God; in John, that's precisely who he is. In Matthew, Jesus teaches about the coming kingdom of God and almost never about himself (and never that he is divine); in John, Jesus teaches almost exclusively about himself, especially his divinity. In Matthew, Jesus refuses to perform miracles in order to prove his identity; in John, that is practically the only reason he does miracles.
Why did the tradition eventually arise that these books were written by apostles and companions of the apostles? In part it was in order to assure readers that they were written by eyewitnesses and companions of eyewitnesses. An eyewitness could be trusted to relate the truth of what actually happened in Jesus' life. But the reality is that eyewitnesses cannot be trusted to give historically accurate accounts. They never could be trusted and can't be trusted still. If eyewitnesses always gave historically accurate accounts, we would have no need for law courts. If we needed to find out what actually happened when a crime was committed, we could just ask someone. Real-life legal cases require multiple eyewitnesses, because eyewitnesses' testimonies differ. If two eyewitnesses in a court of law were to differ as much as Matthew and John, imagine how hard it would be to reach a judgment.
A further reality is that all the Gospels were written anonymously, and none of the writers claims to be an eyewitness. Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels ("the Gospel according to Matthew"), but these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers who the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions. That the titles are not original to the Gospels themselves should be clear upon some simple reflection. Whoever wrote Matthew did not call it "The Gospel according to Matthew." The persons who gave it that title are telling you who, in their opinion, wrote it. Authors never title their books "according to." Moreover, Matthew's Gospel is written completely in the third person, about what "they" — Jesus and the disciples — were doing, never about what "we" — Jesus and the rest of us — were doing. Even when this Gospel narrates the event of Matthew being called to become a disciple, it talks about "him," not about "me." Read the account for yourself (Matthew 9:9). There's not a thing in it that would make you suspect the author is talking about himself. With John it is even more clear. At the end of the Gospel the author says of the "Beloved Disciple": "This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and has written them, and we know that his testimony is true" (John 21:24). Note how the author differentiates between his source of information, "the disciple who testifies," and himself: "we know that his testimony is true." He/we: this author is not the disciple. He claims to have gotten some of his information from the disciple.
and the question of whether Jesus Christ, the Son of God, ever existed becomes much more problematical.Seversky
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BF, Indeed, the minimal facts approach pioneered by Habermas is exactly a way to address how to use texts perceived to be even significantly unreliable but which are among the closest sources to events. Things like embedding of v early materials in summaries, creedal declarations and early hymns being cited, traces of the rhetorical settings, exegetical use of the acknowledged scriptures at that time [cf Phil 2:5 - 11 i/l/o Isa 45 esp 18 - 23], markers of seeking to tell the truth even when embarrassing in that setting [ e.g. in Gosp Philip . . . late, not reliable, not in the canon etc, I find -- instead of Dan Brown's fantasies -- an echo of what, Mary Magdalene was the FIRST witness to the resurrection and was sent with a message to the apostles], points that naturally intersect with culture and circumstances leading to archaeolgical cross-checks etc. The resulting cross section of twelve minimal facts generally acknowledged, then cries out for cogent abductive explanation. Hence the tabulation above, which directly documents why the common skeptical alternatives to the historic Christian view collapse, once anti-supernaturalism is not allowed to impose itself question-beggingly. The sheer lack of response to that substantial framework is illuminating. But, we are dealing with a deeply polarised, message dominance situation, which is not conducive to actually facing the weight of evidence on its credible merits. KFkairosfocus
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Yea know, I find that these discussions about the existence of Jesus always focus on the extrabiblical sources. However, the Biblical sources are every bit as valid as the extrabiblical ones, and they have a heck of a lot more volume to say about it. We have four rich biographies / biographers: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. In addition we have the writings of Paul, Peter and James the brother of Jesus. All of these attest to the historicity of Jesus. How many similarly rich biographies do we have about, say, Shakespeare or Buddha?bFast
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Harry, The testimony is significant and a lesson. Also, some things are just too controversial or triggering or lending to mischaracterisations to trespass on my invitation to contribute at UD, so I will host elsewhere and link as reasonable. Indeed it is only because of the issue of resistance to evident truth that this OP is here at UD. The bottomline is, we see resistance to first principles of reason and to outright history based on readily accessible primary sources, so the intransigence on the design inference is utterly unsurprising. KFkairosfocus
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kairosfocus, Rosaria Butterfield's talk wasn't what I expected, but it was quite powerful. It demonstrated that nobody is so lost in the darkness of our times that Christ can't bring them into the light. God's power and goodness is infinitely greater than our sinfulness. Christians need to make the distinction between homosexual orientation and homosexual fornication. One's orientation is morally neutral. One's behavior is what is sinful. Fornication, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual, is sinful behavior. One's orientation, and the temptation to sin which it presents, can be a heavy cross, whether that orientation be homosexual or heterosexual, but the orientation itself is not sinful. Behavior is what can be sinful. I would propose that artificial contraception used by heterosexuals to render sexual relations infertile, is just as much an abuse of God's plan for human sexuality as are infertile homosexual relations. Homosexual relations are unnatural in a way that heteroexual relations rendered infertile by contraception are not, but such heterosexual relations are still unnatural in their own way, rejecting as they do the procreative aspect of God's plan for human sexuality. Christian couples have no right to close the door to God's own plan for the immortal souls He intends on bringing forth through their union to eventually spend an eternity of joy with Him. Not only that, God is a jealous God. He wants to reign in us entirely. Letting Christ reign over every area of our lives except the fruit of our union with our spouse, as though we know better than Him about such matters, is a recapitulation of the the sin of Adam and Eve, thinking we can be like God, deciding for ourselves what is good and what is evil, and decide for ourselves regarding matters in which we cannot possibly be competent -- as though we can know the eternal ramifications of deciding to reject the procreative aspect of God's plan for human sexuality. Thanks for bringing Rosaria's talk to my attention, even if your intention was to bring your blog to my attention and not Rosaria's talk in particular. By the way, I did not make the remarks above thinking I needed to persuade you of anything. I am assuming you would agree with me. If not, I would be curious to know what you think. God bless you.harry
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Harry, Romans 1 world, that's what. As in, already in progress . . . Cf my personal blog here: http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/2015/10/rosaria-butterfield-rom-1-testimony-of.html KFkairosfocus
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kairosfocus,
I frankly fear that the locked-in agenda approach is a big part of a march of folly now in progress at all sorts of levels across our civilisation. A civilisation that, to me, seems to be on a collision course with reality — and which is inclined to forget that those who despise the lessons of history bought with blood and tears doom themselves to pay much the same price yet again.
Amen. Only it will likely be a much higher price. The Old Testament records God's wrath being inflicted upon pagan nations the people of which had no excuse for not behaving according to the natural moral law their Creator had written upon their hearts. What will happen to a society that has first abandoned Christianity, which the severely punished gentile nations of the Old Testament did not have, and then abandoned the natural moral law as well?harry
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Harry, many people have become filled with questions or are even utterly quite confused about evidence and credibility, so it is important to address the matter. Especially in a context where there is a big push to imply Christians are delusional and should be disqualified from public office. With clear signs that the degree of hostility and blame shifting is now reaching the lunatic fringe who seem to believe admitting one is a Christian deserves a shot through the head. And yes, I am noticing the utter telling want of taking such as it would be taken if such had credibly on eyewitness testimony happened with any of the PC-favoured designated victim groups. Indeed, as has happened with much less credible evidence and sometimes in the teeth of credible evidence. The double standard is telling and sobering. So, a bit of re-balancing is in order. KFkairosfocus
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Habermas ebook: http://www.garyhabermas.com/books/EvidenceBook/GaryHabermas_Evidence-for-the-historical-Jesus-Release_1point0.pdfkairosfocus
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kairosfocus,
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. --John 14:21
Once Christ has made Himself known to a believer, as He promised He would, the reasonableness of the evidence for His being a real, historical figure has as much value as the reasonableness of the evidence that one's spouse or children really live or lived, which is to say it is of little significance, being evidence of that which we are already certain. Even so, for those who haven't yet experienced the living Christ, presentations such as yours here have great value. Good work.harry
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Jesus -- the man who never was? (A look at selective hyperskepticism in the face of historical, documentary evidence and linked archaeology etc. Towards understanding what we are dealing with.)kairosfocus
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