Including the part-of-the-mother’s-body claim:
1) The fetus is a part of the mother’s body. if the fetus is a part of the mother’s body, then all pregnant women are chromosomal mosaics. That is, they are organisms that have two sets of genomes. Chromosome mosaicism is a rare disorder and is not synonymous with pregnancy. There is no such thing as “transient chromosomal mosaicism.” Furthermore, if the fetus is a part of the mother’s body, then half of pregnant women are hermaphrodites — i.e., they contain both male and female tissues. Needless to say, “transient gestational hermaphroditism” is not a recognized medical disorder.
Furthermore, if a new human life begins by a piece of the mother’s body becoming a new organism, then human beings reproduce by budding. Budding is a form of asexual reproduction used by some species of worms, sponges, corals, and microorganisms, but it is not a means of human reproduction.
There is no biological sense to be made of the claim that “the fetus is part of the mother’s body.” The claim leads to scientific implications that are nonsense.
Michael Egnor, “If a Fetus Isn’t a Human Being, What Is It?” at Evolution News (May 11, 2022)
It appears that some people will say — and literally believe — anything to get rid of a kid. But it will come back to haunt them if they also say they believe in science.
You may also wish to read: Must we be able to reason to be thought of as human persons? Michael Egnor: A common argument as to why abortion is generally ethical is that the unborn child cannot reason. Reason is a natural quality of the human being but, like everything in nature, it develops in stages. One can’t say it doesn’t exist when undeveloped.
If a fetus, which is Latin for baby, is simply part of the mother to be, why is there distinct DNA right from the start?
BobRyan: If a fetus, which is Latin for baby, is simply part of the mother to be, why is there distinct DNA right from the start?
Um . . . you mean DNA which is different from that of the mother’s? Gee Bob, i wonder which other source of DNA might have been involved with the pregnancy?
Or do you mean, why does a living form have DNA at all? Can you think of a life form or part of a life form which doesn’t have DNA?
“i wonder which other source of DNA might have been involved with the pregnancy?”
Still a unique human baby, no matter how you try to deflect, JVL.
Andrew
Asuaber: Still a unique human baby, no matter how you try to deflect,
I didn’t say it wasn’t. I just couldn’t figure out what BobRyan was actually saying.
JVL
If the fetus was part of the mother then there would only be the mother’s DNA.
Silver Asiatic: If the fetus was part of the mother then there would only be the mother’s DNA.
He knows that’s not the case though! It was just a very weird way of making the point you seem to be thinking he was making which is: When pro-choice supporters say: my body, my right . . . that shouldn’t apply to foetuses in the womb because they are not part of the woman’s body since they do not have the same DNA as the mother. Is that a more better way of saying it ’cause that’s a lot more coherent.
And, not a bad argument I think. The pro-life position is: who’s to judge whether or not any kind of life is worth keeping? Well, maybe just any human life, especially when it’s nascent.
This may be of interest:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/15/1098347992/a-landmark-study-tracks-the-lasting-effect-of-having-an-abortion-or-being-denied
The slaughter of babies should be unfathomable
Amazing that the group who deplores gun violence is OK with the mass slaughter of the innocent.
JVL/7
Thanks, JVL, that’s a useful reference.
DNA of the two parents creates a unique person that does not have a choice in the persons who created them.
Bodily autonomy and life are one in the same
And only prochoice tries to make a distinction
Everyone here arguing this had a parent that at least cared a little about your bodily autonomy if you where aborted your opinion would be nonexistent like you
Pregnancy is not slavery it’s a biological process that has existed this the Cambrian explosion and possibly older
So participating in the process that makes humans should come as no surprise to anyone the possible consequences of sex
If you don’t want a baby be an adult and use one of the hundreds of ways to prevent it rather then waiting until you have a human growing in you and killing them
No one is forcing you to become pregnant
Just you don’t get to kill the baby after you made it