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Here is an image from Portland, of the “wall of moms” human shield; one, that is NOT being prominently featured in the major media that are busily trying to paint Federal officers defending a court house after 50 days of rioting as Nazi-style storm troopers:

U/D, Jul 24: It seems, I need to show typical logos of the Antifa, to make a point clear:

Logos of the Antifa

Let me further add, from redspark dot nu, evidently a pro-Antifa site:

Since its original emergence in the early 1920s, fascism as an ideology and a movement has been met with fierce opposition. From the very beginning, communists (along with other leftists) have taken up the cause to not simply resist, but to actively oppose and crush fascism wherever it has cropped up. One such organization, the Roter Frontkämpferbund (“Red Front Fighters’ League”), was formed in 1924 by the German Communist Party as a paramilitary organization to carry out militant antifascist work. In order to continue their militant antifascist work after the Roter Frontkämpferbund was banned, the German Communist Party formed another organization which was the first to bear the name Antifascist Action. Antifaschistische Aktion operated until its demise in 1933 under the violent repression of the Nazi regime, which itself was defeated by the Soviet Red Army in 1945.

A significant resurgence of fascism began in the late 1970s and early 1980s as more white nationalist organizations began to emerge and grow in numbers as capitalism found itself once again in crisis . . . . As this militant, white-supremacist fascism began to grow during the 1980s, so did the resurgence of militant anti-fascism. Groups adopting the name Anti-Fascist Action (AFA) in the UK and Europe and Anti-Racist Action (ARA) in North America started to appear—the first being the AFA in London, England (1985) and ARA in Minneapolis, USA (1988). While these organizations have often included fighting sexism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and other forms of oppression within their mandate, combating street-level fascism has been their primary focus.

Like the organizations of the 1920s and ‘30s, these AFA and ARA groups (or simply antifa, as they are colloquially known) consisted of communists, anarchists, and other non-aligned leftists brought together for the express purpose of confronting and preventing local fascist organizing . . . .

Fighting fascism is direly important—like fighting police violence, environmental destruction, homelessness, etc. is direly important—but you can’t cure a disease by chasing after the symptoms alone. Defeating street-level fascists does not by itself stop those fascists who are moving amongst the ruling class any more than stopping one pipeline saves a body of water from contamination by other extractive industries. To ultimately solve these problems is to wage a much larger war. As these issues are all symptoms of capitalism, the solution is found in working class organizing in order to take power and thus dictate the society in which we wish to live. We will only do this by connecting anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-colonial, anti-patriarchal, pro-environment organizing with revolutionary anti-capitalist organizing aimed towards achieving the dictatorship of the proletariat.

We can note several things regarding the photo:

— “Class War” is instantly recognisable, Marxist revolutionary/insurgency terminology. (This identifies that the ideology here is clearly Marxist, here, in Frankfurt School cultural strategy “long march through the institutions” form.)

— The A-with-circle is a logo for the “Antifa,” showing the alliance with BLM, i.e. we see a network of front organisations, with hints of astro-turfing

— Use of human shields with cameras, and particularly of “moms” is meant to force a cruel dilemma: allow riot or appear to be bullying oppressors, with the enabling media watching.

— Similarly, “moms” tries to deconstruct key family and protective values of Western Civilisation, so this is also anti-civilisational. (And if you are trying to undermine family and the cultural norm that protects women and children from violence, that is misanthropic.)

— The media framing indicates their complicity in the Police are fascist thugs defending an illegitimate fascist regime narrative. (We can freely use mirror psychology to infer what these would do were they to hold untrammelled power. Likewise, this directly connects to defund/abolish the police. Add it up: you must be disarmed, the police will protect. The police have no duty to protect any particular individual or property. In the face of favoured rioters, the police are told to stand down. If you try to defend yourselves or deter assault, you will be stripped of weapons (inviting round two), you will be charged with felonies and will face the financial costs involved. And if you try to move away, major media may pursue and further doxx you, inciting the Red Guards to make a follow up visit. Is this where we really want to go? Have you thought about the consequences of rule 6.5 mm and the 1,000 yard veto? )

— Such is the face of C21 4th Generation Revolutionary/Insurgency war operations.

Now, we need to ask some pointed questions regarding what is going on, and why we are being fed manipulative narratives, starting with:

Where we are, not where we wish we were:

Can we read the signs of our times and act before we go completely over the cliff? Time, indubitably, will tell. I think, the next 6 – 18 months will be strategically pivotal. END

PS: Overnight, let me add a framework on the dynamics of the state:

U/d b for clarity, nb Nil

. . . and another on the political spectrum:

PPS: A Balkan woman tries to warn us:

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O, very funny, tell that to the three blinded officers dazzled with high intensity lasers for the "crime" of defending federal property . . . a court house (a place for carrying out justice) . . . under assault. Likewise to those injured by exploding pyrotechnics. I suggest you do a rethink. KFkairosfocus
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DHS should have called its actions in Portland "Jade Helm 20"....Orloog
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ET, we can see the tactics of objectors to the design inference and draw the conclusion they have nothing substantial to answer to the 70 years long demonstration of alphanumeric, algorithmic -- so linguistic and goal directed -- code in the D/RNA of the cell and its mitochondria. Their case is that of a bankrupt ideology. That matter is effectively settled. Now, we need to defend our civilisation at kairos, in the face of chaos-forces and their hoping- to- be- the- new- oligarchs backers. Such is now manifest. KFkairosfocus
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For whatever it's worth- word from the swamp is there is an evoTARD (acartia bogart/ william spearshake) pretending to be an ID supporter posting here.
What’s especially funny to me is that while Joe thought Ed George was Acartia, who he was not, Acartia is sock puppeting at UD as a creationist excuse me Intelligent Design supporter.
What was especially funny is that Eddie said he was william spearshake. And william spearshake is acartia....ET
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Among liberals there are lots of good losers, liars an crybabies. But they are all still losers, liars and crybabies. Fortunately for America there are many mental health professionals to help the liberals obtain diapers and meds to help them through life.ET
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F/N: A sobering lesson of history, via the ever so humble Wikipedia inadvertently testifying against interest:
On January 13, 532, a tense and angry populace arrived at the Hippodrome for the races [--> sponsored by Justinian, with a backdrop of political crisis] .[citation needed] The Hippodrome was next to the palace complex, and thus Justinian could watch from the safety of his box in the palace and preside over the races. [--> h'mm, a palace overlooking public entertainment facilities?] From the start, the crowd had been hurling insults at Justinian. By the end of the day, at race 22, the partisan chants had changed from "Blue" or "Green" to a unified N??? ("Nika", meaning "Win!" "Victory!" or "Conquer!"), and the crowds broke out and began to assault the palace. For the next five days, the palace was under siege.[citation needed] The fires that started during the tumult resulted in the destruction of much of the city, including the city's foremost church, the Hagia Sophia (which Justinian would later rebuild). [--> rioting, arson, doubtless looting and violent assault. Notice Hagia Sophia, again in the news] Some of the senators saw this as an opportunity to overthrow Justinian, as they were opposed to his new taxes and his lack of support for the nobility.[citation needed] [--> opportunistic pols] The rioters, now armed and probably controlled by their allies in the Senate [--> red guards with backers] , also demanded that Justinian dismiss the prefect John the Cappadocian and the quaestor Tribonian. [--> unpopular, suspect of corruption but leading reformation including issuing the justly famous Corpus Juris Civilis] They then declared a new emperor, Hypatius, who was a nephew of former Emperor Anastasius I.[citation needed] Justinian, in despair, considered fleeing, but his wife Theodora is said to have dissuaded him, saying, "Those who have worn the crown should never survive its loss. Never will I see the day when I am not saluted as empress."[10] She is also credited with adding, "[W]ho is born into the light of day must sooner or later die; and how could an Emperor ever allow himself to be a fugitive."[11] Although an escape route across the sea lay open for the emperor, Theodora insisted that she would stay in the city, quoting an ancient saying, "Royalty is a fine burial shroud," or perhaps, "[the royal color] Purple makes a fine winding sheet."[12] As Justinian rallied himself, he created a plan that involved Narses, a popular eunuch, as well as the generals Belisarius and Mundus. Carrying a bag of gold given to him by Justinian, the slightly built eunuch entered the Hippodrome alone and unarmed against a murderous mob that had already killed hundreds. [--> notice, riots come with murder] Narses went directly to the Blues' section, where he approached the important Blues and reminded them that Emperor Justinian supported them over the Greens. He also reminded them that Hypatius, the man they crowned, was a Green. Then, he distributed the gold. The Blue leaders spoke quietly with each other and then they spoke to their followers. Then, in the middle of Hypatius' coronation, the Blues stormed out of the Hippodrome. The Greens sat, stunned. Then, Imperial troops led by Belisarius and Mundus stormed into the Hippodrome, killing any remaining rebels indiscriminately be they Blues or Greens.[11] [--> sword vs riot and uprising, not mere batons] About thirty thousand rioters were reportedly killed.[13] Justinian also had Hypatius executed and exiled the senators who had supported the riot. He then rebuilt Constantinople and the Hagia Sophia and was free to establish his rule.
A lesson. We don't want to go back there, ever. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: Notice, consistent evasion of clear evidence that we are dealing with Marxist front groups riding piggyback on legitimate grievances and using Red Guard tactics. Where, it should be a commonplace that in any reasonably functional constitutional democracy (including not only Parliamentary, monarchical forms but also republics) there are endless ways to come together peaceably and petition for redress of grievances, expose abuses and propose reforms. Every 3 - 7 years, there is a major election cycle constituting a national audit of government, with opportunity for peaceful reform or even revolution if that is desired. There are media who are ever eager to expose scandal and abuse. There are courts, ever open to hear lawsuits. So, there is simply no excuse for rioting, arson, looting, mobbing and assaulting people and the like. To suggest that those who object to sustained inexcusable,. violently destructive, lawless conduct and to enabling local authorities (who in certain cases need to face recall and maybe prosecution for their malfeasance or abuses) and who recognise a legitimate role for federal agencies in restoring good order -- ask, just who will be asked to pay taxes to fund rebuilding of what has been so wantonly destroyed? -- are Nazis or the like . . . "good Germans" . . . is clearly utterly inexcusable. KF PS: A lesson from classical times, in answer to riotous assembly:
Ac 19: 21 Now after these events [Paul's preaching at Ephesus for 3 years, including hiring a Lecture Hall and thus giving regular presentations] Paul resolved in the Spirit to pass through Macedonia and Achaia and go to Jerusalem, saying, “After I have been there, I must also see Rome.” 22 And having sent into Macedonia two of his helpers, Timothy and Erastus, he himself stayed in Asia for a while. 23 About that time there arose no little disturbance concerning the Way. 24 For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen. 25 These he gathered together, with the workmen in similar trades, and said, “Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. 26 And you see and hear that not only in Ephesus but in almost all of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27 And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be counted as nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship.” 28 When they heard this they were enraged and were crying out, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!” 29 So the city was filled with the confusion, and they rushed together into the theater, dragging with them Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians who were Paul's companions in travel. 30 But when Paul wished to go in among the crowd, the disciples would not let him. 31 And even some of the Asiarchs,5 who were friends of his [--> not only rulers but the people in charge of the very temples in question!], sent to him and were urging him not to venture into the theater. 32 Now some cried out one thing, some another, for the assembly was in confusion, and most of them did not know why they had come together. [--> sounds familiar?] 33 Some of the crowd prompted Alexander, whom the Jews had put forward. And Alexander, motioning with his hand, wanted to make a defense to the crowd. 34 But when they recognized that he was a Jew, for about two hours they all cried out with one voice, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!” 35 And when the town clerk [--> chief administrator, not quite, mayor] had quieted the crowd, he said,
“Men of Ephesus, who is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple keeper of the great Artemis, and of the sacred stone that fell from the sky?6 36 Seeing then that these things cannot be denied, you ought to be quiet and do nothing rash. 37 For you have brought these men here who are neither sacrilegious nor blasphemers of our goddess. 38 If therefore Demetrius and the craftsmen with him have a complaint against anyone, the courts are open, and there are proconsuls. Let them bring charges against one another. 39 But if you seek anything further,7 it shall be settled in the regular assembly. 40 For we really are in danger of being charged with rioting today, since there is no cause that we can give to justify this commotion.”
41 And when he had said these things, he dismissed the assembly. [ESV. The implication was, the next step would be to send in the real troops, with swords not batons, as happened at other times.]
A lesson.kairosfocus
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RP, the insinuation of nazism is over the line. Pull it back and apologise. KFkairosfocus
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@TimR among conservatives there are lots of Good Germans. Fortunately for America, the conservative base, older, white, less educated racists, are on the decline. Trump is their last shriek.Retired Physicist
July 27, 2020
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The 10th Amendment is clear. Anything NOT in the Constitution is relegated to the states and the people of the states. It is a direct reference to the Supremacy Clause, which binds all states to the US Constitution. No state, no governor, no city council, no group of people can violate any part of the US Constitution. There are no exceptions to the Supremacy Clause.BobRyan
July 27, 2020
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Sev et al, I suggest that the USA is rapidly becoming a capital example of what happens when first duties of reason are lost sight of as foundational, for life with integrity and for a sound, sustainable society worth living in. I go so far as to say these are part of the buttresses that stabilise a constitutional democracy, being core to the built in law of our morally governed nature:
We can readily identify at least seven inescapable first duties of reason. Inescapable, as they are so antecedent to reasoning that even the objector implicitly appeals to them; i.e. they are self-evident. Duties, to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so also to fairness and justice etc. Such built in law is not invented by parliaments or courts, nor can these principles and duties be abolished by such. (Cf. Cicero in De Legibus, c. 50 BC.) Indeed, it is on this framework that we can set out to soundly understand and duly balance rights, freedoms and duties; which is justice. The legitimate main task of government, then, is to uphold and defend the civil peace of justice through sound community order reflecting the built in, intelligible law of our nature. Where, as my right implies your duty a true right is a binding moral claim to be respected in life, liberty, honestly aquired property, innocent reputation etc. To so justly claim a right, one must therefore demonstrably be in the right. Thus, too, we may compose sound civil law informed by that built-in law of our responsibly, rationally free morally governed nature; from such, we may identify what is unsound or false thus to be reformed or replaced even though enacted under the colour and solemn ceremonies of law. These duties, also, are a framework for understanding and articulating the corpus of built-in law of our morally governed nature, antecedent to civil laws and manifesting our roots in the Supreme Law-giver, the inherently good, utterly wise and just creator-God.
We seem determined to learn what happens when we profess ourselves to be wise but put folly in the place of Wisdom, trying to invent new systems of thought and community life in defiance of such first principles and duties. The resulting collapse of soundness is increasingly plain all around us, and will predictably lead us over the cliff. Right now, it looks like that is beginning to happen. The media seem to be the chief enablers of that folly, hence the straight vs spin grid in the OP. KFkairosfocus
July 27, 2020
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TimR, the courthouse is a Federal site. You have already been advised that there are further Federal powers that have been exercised many times over the years. Beyond, lies the insurrection act. KF PS: It is a further sign, that you still want to suggest that "troops" are in use, having been corrected. We have not seen the Gestapo kidnapping under nacht und nebel decrees, or the like -- as has been mischievously, slanderously suggested -- but we have seen rioters checked under disciplined order [note the videos and remarks above], and that key rioters have been identified and brought before courts to answer charges. In due course, we will be able to see the substance of same. PPS: Riot suppression will inevitably look a lot like old fashioned military tactics [typically with less lethal technologies], some harking back to Classical times, e.g. shield walls, baton charges [not push of cruelly sharp pike], cavalry, water cannon, etc. Body armour has re-emerged for both policing and the military, though loss of mobility is, again, a key challenge as was seen in Iraq and Afghanistan; the solution we are seeing in videos is light armour as the officers in the column charge to break a rioter shield wall demonstrated. Riots are in effect semi-military phenomena with ill-disciplined troops. A common factor, is the restraint from use of guns firing bullets and artillery firing lethal ammunition. Beyond a certain point, that bleeds over into insurrection once guns come into significant play, which calls for more severe rules of engagement. 4GW at this kinetic level, uses protest and riot as protective cover for insurrection and to provide the bloody shirt to wave in intent to discredit a government by oh see unable to control chaos and/or see tyrannical bloody oppressors; the links to my alternative spectrum are obvious. The key is the presence of Red Guards, and that points to their backers. I wonder what we will hear from the enabling media when RICO laws or the like come into play to deal with such backers?kairosfocus
July 27, 2020
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Seversky: When former President Obama made a reference to being more flexible with Russia after the next election, which was at the tail end of his first term, Russia and Putin were defended by the same outlets that vilify him and Russia today. Romney called Russia a geopolitical threat to the United States, which Obama made a reference to the 80s calling and wanted their foreign policy back. Those same outlets continued to claim Russia and Putin were not enemies of the United States in any way and went as far as to claim Putin was not the bad guy that the right was portraying. It did not matter how many times anyone on the right pointed out who Putin was, since it was politically convenient to believe he was good for Russia and the United States. Hillary Clinton used the DNC, in violation of campaign finance laws, to funnel money to Michael Steel, who was a former British agent. He was paid millions to have the GRU create false documents about Trump in Russia. Putin would have gotten his cut from the bribes. The documents were rushed and sent back to the DNC in a matter of weeks. It was opposition research for Clinton with no intent on accuracy. Everything that followed, including spying on Americans, were a direct result of documents that were never verified to be factual by anyone.BobRyan
July 26, 2020
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The 1984 reference is apt. 'Newspeak' has been coming out of the White House ever since Trump took office. Old friends are enemies. Old enemies are now friends. The pandemic is a hoax but we should wear masks anyway. Elections are rigged and there is massive voter fraud except when Trump wins and the Russians had nothing to do with it either way. The US intelligence services are our enemy but the Russian GRU is almost as reliable as Fox News. Make sure you have your MAGA hat on straight as Big Trumper is watching you.Seversky
July 26, 2020
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Rioters and looters, excuse me 'peaceful protesters', have a constitutional right to riot and loot? Apparently Orwell's 1984 'newspeak' is no longer fiction. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/curfews-may-not-be-enough-keep-peace-tension-builds-coast-n1221531bornagain77
July 26, 2020
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The solution is being circulated on facebook. Put pro-Trump make america great again bumper stickers on the protestors' cars. Then watch as they walk by destroying them as they go home.ET
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For example, how is this guy threatening federal property, and why is he pepper sprayed when exercising his constitutional rights? https://www.facebook.com/colvid.daorado/videos/10157134335570706TimR
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I still remain amazed that so many people seem ok with the president sending federal troops (or at lease police/agents who look like and behave like troops) to deal with a state matter against the wishes of the city and the federal authorities. Are they really so worried that court building might get damaged? Seems like a pretty insignificant thing to justify the use of federal force against a state. Nobody seemed that worried when those armed hillbillies occupied a federal reserve a couple of years ago (by way of comparison). Aside from which its obviously completely inflamed the protesters and made the situation worse in Portland.TimR
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Congratulations. The left has totally lost it. Now they are trying to steal the election by demonstrating they are infants who had better get their way, or else. Cue right-wing paramilitary groups Why is it that these alleged protestors just can't get together, list their grievances and possible solutions? They have the media's attention. It isn't as if they don't have that as a global platform. CNN would be drooling to get their hands on the left-wing manifesto designed to get it right. It would be bigger than Lebron James signing with the Miami Heat 10 years ago. These child-like tantrums pretty much prove they don't have a clue.ET
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MMT, this is what is going on: https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1287300892258000898 -- Rioters tore down the steel mesh fence at the court house, are obviously using pyrotechnics and a dazzle laser -- Notice, three officers have been blinded -- The laser and others in other videos are themselves acts of violence and threatened serious, incapacitating bodily harm. -- pyrotechnic devices, notoriously, are capable of serious bodily harm Next: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1287337566396542976 -- this is a baton charge following a barrage of either smoke or (more likely -- sustained riot and a shield wall of rioters) tear gas -- According to Ngo, this broke the rioters' shield wall, and that charge was not that of a disorganised unskilled rabble. Indeed, it looked like a team play. I count four waves at was it 6 - 8 ft separation [~c 1/4 second intervals?], in column, a mark of deep penetration as intent, with opportunity to fan out. There are also flankers coming in delayed and close to the cams [likely further out too in the cloud], assumed, police cam taking the picture.These are not an untrained rabble whatever somebody says. -- A shield wall is itself a mark of organised rioting and intent to fight police, note, here, organised assembly of same, i.e. we are ooking at organised, backed rioting. -- Notice, the video officer to the side, that serves to counter video ambush tactics. -- observe how the officer nearest holds his long baton as he charges, that is no ignoramus brandishing a club in a threatening manner. It is a defensive stance, amenable to deflecting blows and to making targetted blows to arm or shins, not attempts to hit in the head -- that itself points to discipline and training. So do the uniforms and protective gear. A bit before: https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1287276401033244672 -- Here we see officers defending the mesh wall, with pyrotechnics being thrown by rioters and lasers flashed -- Tear gas canisters are being lobbed to push back from the fence -- A paint ball gun is in use by the officers, likely loaded with pepper balls (I have seen Israeli Naval commandos use the same, to deal with the Turkish blockade breakers a few years ago.) -- I am not sure why a rioter seems to have a blower. In short, no, these officers know what they are doing in the face of organised rioting. Further reason to dismiss the assertions you have been touting. Meanwhile, you still cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that we are seeing marxist front groups acting as red guards. KFkairosfocus
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https://apple.news/ASv59JhATSMWpGsFETRxhqAMac McTavish
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It's pretty stupid to think that the highly skilled tactical teams sent to Portland don't know how to control crowds or quell riots.ET
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MMT, I have already said enough to adequately answer what is meant as a side tracking tangent; and BTW as a rule very few police will have prior experience with riots, especially riots tied to Marxist insurgency; I spoke to reasonable basic training, which I have no reason to believe relevant officers will not have had. It is sad that a lot of officers are now going to have to build up such experience but the alternatives if things spin out of control will be far worse. Meanwhile, you are still refusing to seriously engage clear evidence of marxist insurgency using Red Guard tactics. That speaks volumes on your motivation, none of it good. KF PS: Meanwhile . . .
DHS Secretary Chad Wolf: The comment from Speaker Pelosi that our law enforcement officers, civil law enforcement officers are stormtroopers, or the Gestapo, or thugs is absolutely irresponsible. It’s dangerous and she should immediately apologize for that.
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MMT, I think your source is speaking to something different from what is relevant.
My source is the acting director of Homeland Security. He followed that up with a recommendation that any subsequent action be taken by people appropriately trained, or that his agents be properly trained. That doesn’t sound like someone who thinks it was a good idea to use people for things they are not trained in.
I am sure police are trained as a matter of course in the basic techniques indicated.
That is, again, patently false. The rank-and-file police officer is not used for mass demonstrations and riots. They use a select group of officers who have been specifically trained for this.Mac McTavish
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F/N: red herring side tracking also duly noted. I refer to the OP. KFkairosfocus
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MMT, I think your source is speaking to something different from what is relevant. I am sure police are trained as a matter of course in the basic techniques indicated. That is enough, for practical purposes under circumstances as they have been allowed to spin up to; lawfare and media lynching attempts to play attack the police games after the fact can and will doubtless also be dealt with in due course; I doubt those playing with the fires already let loose understand what is already playing out. In addition, the institutions can access net centric techniques which are tested for taking out the insurgency elements. And, having seen what chaos and civil war lead to, I think we have very different views of what is needed or appropriate at this point. KFkairosfocus
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I have already pointed out that all police will have riot control training,...
This is patently false. Wolf
The highly skilled tactical teams assigned to support the civil unrest and riots do not specifically have training in riot control or mass demonstrations.
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MMT, your enabling behaviour is duly noted. KF
How is it enabling to suggest that it is a bad decision to send in federal agents who are not trained in crowd and riot control to handle crowd and riot control? I have stated that I am not opposed to the feds getting involved, just that the way they have done it was very poorly handled.Mac McTavish
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MMT, your enabling behaviour is duly noted. I have already pointed out that all police will have riot control training [use of tear gas, protective clothing, batons, unit tactics etc . . . ], and that responses to riots are not going to be the same as to peaceful protest or even disorderly individuals; for cause. There is no basis for the insinuation in your fallacious complex question. At this point, I am forced to infer that only utter passivity and implicit enabling of chaos and what it leads to will satisfy you. Perhaps, you are unaware of where rules of engagement can eventually end up as I gather they did in the 1960's, on ignoring warning to cease and desist, especially from arson and looting or armed attacks, full military response to insurrection. The optics for that would be horrible, but beyond a threshold that is what you are looking at. Current steps are designed to avert that, or worse; full anarchy and multi-sided civil war as in the Balkans. I don't think people realise the fire they are recklessly playing with in response to limited measures. KFkairosfocus
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KF, in all of that you still haven’t answered the question whether it was a good idea for Trump to send federal agents into Portland that haven’t been trained in crowd or riot control.Mac McTavish
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U/D: I added a vid from a Balkan woman, to the OP. A warning from grim experience. KFkairosfocus
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