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Agnostics vs. Atheists: Devil’s Delusion now available at Amazon

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Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence?
Not even close.

Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here?
Not even close.

Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life?
Not even close.

Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought?
Close enough.

Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral?
Not close enough.

Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good?
Not even close to being close.

Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences?
Close enough.

Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational?
Not even ballpark.

Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt?
Dead on.

Dr. Berlinski’s agnosticism and willingness to say, “I don’t know”, has a great appeal to someone like me. Anyone working in the hard sciences or engineering is accustomed to being made aware of his own fallibility on an hourly basis, and out of necessity one learns to become skeptical of many things. To hear someone as brilliant as Berlinski say, “I don’t know”, makes him more credible in my eyes. Dr. Berlinski echoes the skepticism and agnosticism that is at the heart of science, a skepticism which says, “I don’t know, but I want to learn more”.

What do we know for sure? Perhaps not much. I know for sure there is no hope or salvation in Charles Darwin. I know for sure Darwin found math repugnant and admitted he couldn’t even perform the early steps of high school algebra after considerable effort.

In contrast, Berlinski loves mathematics and physics, and in his book, Devil’s Delusion, he expresses much of his love of math and physics as he critiques the scientific pretensions of the atheists.

Berlinski defends his ideas by exploring the works of Maxwell, Einstein, Godel, Turing, Chomsky and other great minds. Dawkins in contrast appeals to Darwin. I would take Maxwell, Turing, and Godel over Darwin any day.

Here are some excerpts from Berlinski’s book:

the great German mathematician David Hilbert affirmed in an address given in 1930, “We must know, we will know.”

Shortly after Hilbert delivered his address, Kurt Godel demonstrated that mathematics was inherently incomplete. If science in the twentieth century has demonstrated anything, it is that there are limits to what we can know.
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Darwin’s theory of evolution…may be grasped by anyone in an afternoon, and often is. A week suffices to make a man a specialist.

historian Richard Weikart, who in his admirable treatise, From Darwin to Hitler makes clear what anyone capable of reading the German sources already knew: A sinister current of influence ran form Darwin’s theory of evolution to Hitler’s policy of extermination.
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Darwinian biologists are very often persuaded that there is a conspiracy to make them look foolish. In this they are correct.
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Computer simulations of Darwinian evolution fail when they are honest and succeed only when they are not….What these computer experiment do reveal is a principle far more penetrating than any that Darwin ever offered: There is a sucker born every minute.

After reading the book, one is forced to conclude, “scientific” atheism is The Devil’s Delusion.

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"Computer simulations of Darwinian evolution fail when they are honest and succeed only when they are not….What these computer experiment do reveal is a principle far more penetrating than any that Darwin ever offered: There is a sucker born every minute." I think the heart of every ID'er warms at this statment. :)PannenbergOmega
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"Historian Richard Weikart, who in his admirable treatise, From Darwin to Hitler makes clear what anyone capable of reading the Germans sources already knew: A sinister current of influence ran form Darwin’s theory of evolution to Hitler’s policy of extermination." I ordered my copy of the Devil's Delusion yesterday.PannenbergOmega
April 2, 2008
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scordova says, "I know for sure there is no hope or salvation in Charles Darwin." Amen. And in more ways than one. William Wallace says, "Maybe the difference is explained by the logical and mathematical thinking required in the hard sciences, as opposed to the the language based sophism required in the soft sciences." I'm not so sure. Billions of ordinary folks all over the world are able to see right through the claims of the darwinists, and with very little effort, to boot.Gerry Rzeppa
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Any bets on how long it will take John Kwok to review the book without even reading it? :Dmike1962
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William Wallace wrote: Maybe the difference is explained by the logical and mathematical thinking required in the hard sciences, as opposed to the the language based sophism required in the soft sciences. William Wallace brings up a good point that Darwinian Evolutionists fancy up DE in delightful dressings of "can do" attitude. At first glance, the perpetual motion machine, like Darwinian Evolution, all seems like a great idea in "theory" and on scratch pad filled with complex pictures and diagrams, but in reality/practice, it goes against all what science and engineering has discovered and/or applied. Current knowledge tells us perpetual motion goes against the laws of physics, still, many pursued/pursue the idea that they may one day "solve the issue". This "can do" obsessive attitude is what Darwinian Evolutionists hold, looking forward to the day they may finally prove they're theory DE (and subsequent atheism) right and ID wrong. Let us hear what the Dawkins has to say about it: "Biologists are working on it"godslanguage
April 2, 2008
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Frost, I had seen that video posted before. I have a gag reflex everytime I hear PZ say "We are not going to take their churches away" We? WE? WWWWEEEE????? This is a man drunk on his own salt. Who does he think he is setting himself up as an authority over the 305,000,000 people who live in this country. Hubris unleashed...but I hate to disappoint Mr Myers, the weakness of his position will be exposed long before the numbers work in his favor.Upright BiPed
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LOL! This is sadly true. It is during the question and answer period. I sat up in the chair and stretched my left arm after getting the microphone in anticipation of my question for David Berlinski. While Berlinski was still answering the first question posed by Logan Gage it accidentally hit a bottle of white wine that was sitting on the corner of the table directly behind me and Cordova. The bottle was was knocked to the floor and extremely graciously Logan ran over and got it taken care of so I could still ask me question. About 60 seconds later I got to ask David a question and make a comment. Hopefully that contribution out shined my other inelegance! All things considering I had a great time and recommend such events for anyone interested in these topics. Count me in for other events in the future, just, next time keep me away from the wine table ;) Also, for all that haven’t heard David Berlinski will be in the movie Expelled. Here is a rather disturbing clip from the movie that I recommend everyone viewing. It really shows the depth and seriousness of the political war that the materialists are waging. Some people say “who cares” when I talk about the significance of the DE/ID debate. After looking at this clip one should no longer have any doubts about the seriousness of this situation. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3898017565058808689Frost122585
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[HT Frost122585] FYI: The book release party at the Discovery Institute will be aired on CSPAN2 at 11pm on Saturday night and 6am on Sunday morning. The big question is whether the CSPAN2 airing will capture the sound of our very own Frost122585 of UD knocking over a wine bottle at the book release party. No Kidding!!!scordova
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I have not read the book yet but I will and will post some of the most interesting points on this blog. It was a real pleasure meeting you Cordova- my mother and I thought you were a really nice guy. I had a great time at the David Berlinski "The Devil's Delusion" book tour kick off last night at The Discovery Institute. For all wh are interested the event will be aired on CSPAN2 at 11PM Satrday night and 6am Sunday morning et as well. http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=9256&SectionName=&PlayMedia=NoFrost122585
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As of today, FYI: Amazon.com Sales Rank: #766 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books) Popular in these categories: #1 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Religious Studies > Science & Religion #3 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Theology > Apologetics #4 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Spirituality > Atheismscordova
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"Anyone working in the hard sciences or engineering is accustomed to being made aware of his own fallibility on an hourly basis, and out of necessity one learns to become skeptical of many things." Well written. Meanwhile, the criteria in evolander circles is mob rule, how's that sound, or does it confirm what we already know? And, in engineering, perpetual motion machines are proposed, from time to time, but nobody gets bent out of shape. Meanwhile, the same journalists who so ardently support evolution fall for perpetual motion scams all the time. Maybe the difference is explained by the logical and mathematical thinking required in the hard sciences, as opposed to the the language based sophism required in the soft sciences.William Wallace
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Sparc, No. But thank you for asking. For example, last night I posted TorbTard Toasted at PandasThumb. I reported how I dished out so much humiliation to a Darwinist pretender at PandasThumb that Richard Hoppe had to close the discussion at PandasThumb. PS I'd ask off topic questions like Sparc's be held back for a few days. We can talk here after a few days after the main topic has a chance to be discussed. Thanks in advance. {DLH PPS Please fix upper link at your site.} {STC PPPS -- link fixed, thanks}scordova
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Did you close your own blog finally?sparc
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