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There are many avenues of discusion in a subject like this that I am not qualified to speak on, but may I offer a rather cynical observation? It is just a temporary expression of despair. I'll get over it. And it appears that this frustration is shared irrespective of educational background. Ok, the point: It seems to me that mankind created Artificial Intelligence in the Garden. We rejected real/natural intelligence at the same time. Living beings became dead machines. Isn't it getting old yet? Am I the only one who occasionally gets tired trying to reason with machines? Seems Pinochio doesn't want to be a real boy. But he is sure hell bent on inventing what already exists; namely, Pinocchio! Why is it that people who do not believe in a creator, find it absolutely essential to BE the creator? "I once was Pinochio, but now I'm alive, was a machine but now I live." And thank you Lord for giving me life, and forgive me for sometimes wishing I still had wooden eyes. Lock

>>I suspect the designers will not get past the barrier created by the fact that the real human brain is more like an ocean than a machine, and many human decisions are not made by step-by-step pathways. (Which does not mean that they are badly made, either.) The ocean analogy is apt for describing the brain; there is so much going on, but it is a problem a prior designer appears to have solved, so I dont see why humans couldnt also do it in principle. In fact, I hope we will. Why should we be so upset about artificial intelligence anyway? We can see clearly that evolution does not have attributes of intelligence. It's a different issue. And yes, AI could raise problems for the way some IDers currently talk about algorithmic (step-by-step) information theory; certain things might need to be reframed. andyjones

correction, I incorrectly attributed a quote to the Dembski Marks paper. bornagain77

Bornagain writes: ",,,Myself I personally think that SETI should be looking a bit higher than space for that ‘Extraterrestrial’ communication they are so desperately looking for,,, And/or... looking within toward the conscious that all of us try so desperately to appease from time to time ;) There is little more liberating, when once we accept it, than to be liberated from error and sin. Lock

Very ironically, on the very same day that Dr. Marks and Dr Dembski have driven the final nail in the coffin, with a published paper, for the fact that machines will never have minds as humans do, in this following link,,,, The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search Excerpt: The [computing] machine does not create any new information, but it performs a very valuable transformation of known information. http://evoinfo.org/publications/search-for-a-search/ ,,,it turns out that SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) decides that they should be looking for machines with minds instead of biological life,,,, SETI may be looking in the wrong places: Excerpt: SETI may be looking in the wrong places: astronomer Excerpt: Dr Seth Shostak, has reported in an article published online that perhaps we should be seeking alien "life forms" that are thinking machines instead of concentrating the search on biological life forms; http://www.physorg.com/news201849455.html ,,,Myself I personally think that SETI should be looking a bit higher than space for that 'Extraterrestrial' communication they are so desperately looking for,,, SETI - Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence Finds God - Almost http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4007753 bornagain77

@W. Dembski and R. Marks Congrats for getting the paper out - and thanks for the kind acknowledgment! I'm afraid that I have still a problem with the paper (which I mentioned in an email to R. Marks and on which I elaborated here), but I hope that this will be resolved by more careful reading :-) DiEb

But bornagain, Everyone knows that infinite monkeys and infinite typewriters and infinite time can create anything... Even a square circle! ;) above

Since materialists can't do the impossible, by creating a machine with a mind,,,, "... no operation performed by a computer can create new information." -- Douglas G. Robertson, "Algorithmic Information Theory, Free Will and the Turing Test," Complexity, Vol.3, #3 Jan/Feb 1999, pp. 25-34. http://www.evoinfo.org/ ,,, then I think they will try to settle for the next best thing by turning our minds into machines,,, 1984 Apple's Macintosh Commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 bornagain77

Denyse, you're absolutely right and I said myself (somewhere) that to create life, we do not need to build an android or more sophisticated computer. What so many are so determined to build already exists, and we need only procreate. The point speaks volumes whether one's microphone goes dead, is on, or the audience is just deaf with a fruitless and mindless sense of autonomy and quest for power. Lock

Your link to your Dilbert video does not work Ms. O'Leary. Here is the video I think you were trying to reference: Dogbert, Dilbert and the Theory of Evolution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCv_iDalFME bornagain77