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Off Topic Question: http://www.vsa-apothekensysteme.de/uploads/RTEmagicC_239_Bienenwaben.jpg.jpg Does this structure include CSI? Is it "designed"?ChristopherSaint
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tyke, I would not be surprised to learn that you are a previously banned poster using a new name, your posts are so tediously predictable. Maybe atheists all just post from the same talking points. To wit, 1. There is no God and I hate Him. 2. The purpose of science is to prove there is no God. 3. Anybody who doesn't agree with points 1 and 2 is an anti-science creationist. Apply the above talking points to Expelled and your post basically writes itself.Jehu
November 25, 2007
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Tyke, you sound like a hyper sensitive atheist scientist friend of mine who changes the subject every time Hilter is mentioned. If u r an atheist, you need to own up to the implications of your belief system. I am NOT saying that being an atheist WILL make you into a Hilter. What I AM saying is that as an atheist you have no epistemic right to claim that moral vaules are absolute. Thus Hilterism, while entirely inconsistent with Christianity is entirely CONSISTENT with atheism. Did you catch the shot of the leopard in the film? As for being an atheist ... have u heard of the presumption of atheism? Can u prove God does not exist? Then ditch atheism and become an agnostic for goodness sake.Robo
November 25, 2007
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This is what I got from the preview: Slick production values, no doubt, but that the overarching battle is science vs. religion. Either we are mud and lightning (this is a phrase right of the creationist play book, by the way) or we are God's creation. As an atheist who is sympathetic to the core idea of ID, it looks as though there will be nothing in this movie for me. This is yet another case where ID is little more than a proxy in the ongoing battle between science and creationism. The trailer uses all the same tricks that creationists have been using for decades -- invoking God, context-free sound bytes from scientists, claims of persecution and censorship, scary pictures of Hitler and concentration camps, on and on. All in seven minutes. Frankly, out-and-out creationists like Ken Ham and D. James Kennedy could have easily made something like this. I have little doubt that it will play well its target audience -- Christians who are already sympathetic to creationism, and I do not doubt a lot of people on this site will get a big kick out of it. But I also have no doubt that it will further weaken the case that ID is something more, something different from creationism. This movie will change nothing. And that's a crying shame.tyke
November 25, 2007
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This is a powerful preview. I suspect the viral value will produce a result similar to Gibson's The Passion.todd
November 25, 2007
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I really don't see how this movie helps the cause of intelligent design. Isn't the whole point that ID'ers remain agnostic as to who the designer is? It seems to me that this movie could do more damage than good. Us evolutionists can point at it and say "See? We told you it was all about God." And the way they cut off Dawkins' comment seemed a little dishonest. I wonder what he said after the word "doctrine".mathstudent
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