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My political views seem to be a matter for discussion at the Panda’s Thumb (go here). In line with their discussion, let me offer the following 1907 quote by Theodore Roosevelt:

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in
good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be
treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to
discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or
origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an
American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance
here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an
American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this
excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and
civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to
which we are hostile. . . . We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language. . . . We have room for but one sole loyalty and that is
a loyalty to the American people.”

Now, the question the Panda’s Thumb people need to ask themselves is whether I actually believe this or am just mining this quote for their amusement.

Bush treats the United Nations in a most unusual way for someone purported to be interested in globalization. I think you're conflating making the world over in the image of democratic America with dissolving sovereign borders. You can probably safely presume that making the world safe for democracy and making the world safe for capitalism are conflated in Bush's mind. If what Bush is doing is dissolving sovereign borders you might expect he'd be trying to strenghthen the U.N. instead of weakening it and calling it irrelevant. You also might expect him to be less supportive of constitutional constructionism which gives primacy to states rights and restricts federal power to only that which is explicitely given it in the constitution. Bush opposes both federalism and an activist judiciary which, domestically speaking, is evidence against dissolution of borders. Probably the more accurate rendering is sovereign military borders "yes" and sovereign economic borders "no". DaveScot
DaveScot, Granted, but “America” and “Americana” are now offshore corporate concepts, not bordered nation concepts. I think Bush prefers to deliver speeches in Spanish. It actualizes globalism. That’s a long way from the genius of TR’s Melting Pot. The only reason I voted for Bush twice is that the other side would dissolve borders, language and Constitution even faster. pmob1
Interestingly it's said that no two countries that have McDonald's restaurants have ever been at war with each other. I'm not sure if that's strictly true (it probably is) but it's sort of illustrative of the thinking behind Pax Americana. DaveScot
pmob1 A trade zone? That might be worth partial credit if I'm feeling generous. Pax Americana is what the neocons are all about. Capitalism is a part of that but not the whole enchilada. Begin reading here: http://www.newamericancentury.org/ DaveScot
WD, TR presumed America as a nation state. Bush-Clinton-Bush presume America as a trade zone. "English" is not only irrelevant, it is futile, (not to mention wage-inflationary). pmob1
Charlie A genuine Unamerican Detector isn't quite so difficult. DaveScot
Charliecrs, No, but I think we can encourage the "melting pot" that tocqueville spoke of... (the mixing of all cultures into a new race -- The American), and discouraging the balkanization of the U.S. that multiculturalism encourages. No need to discourage diversity -- but we need to teach more about what makes us the same than what makes us difference. Let's teach American History instead of _____ American hisotry. dodgingcars
Please Mr. Dembski - do no more of quote mining... its illegal after all. Not only that its harmful to the kids everywhere. If you continue this kind of thing might spread all over the net. lol - gimme a break. Charlie Charliecrs
Geex - im all for American national pride / loyailty but what are we going to do ?, invent a Genuine American Detector ?. Just like Microsofts Genuine Windows detector or better yet invent a Genuine American Possible Defactor Device. lol -yeah... Charlie Charliecrs
Great quote from a great man. We could use a Bull Moose party today. :-) DaveScot
Yes PT folks, more attempts at character assassination and name calling and less science. Stick to what you're good at. ;) Bombadill

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