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A toad looks and sounds like a venomous snake

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A first for frogs. The mimic frog is the Congolese giant toad (Sclerophrys channingi). The snake is the Gaboon viper (Bitis gabonica):

“This is the first example in the world – that we are aware of – of a frog attempting to mimic a venomous snake,” says Eli Greenbaum at the University of Texas at El Paso. “It’s rare for frogs to be involved in a mimicry complex in general.” Michael Marshall, “Giant toad looks and acts like a venomous snake to scare off predators” at New Scientist

The toad also lets out a hiss when startled, like the viper’s threatening hiss.

A classic example of Darwinism at work, right?. It did a lot of good for the toad to happen to look one per cent like a venomous snake, so then it evolved to two percent and that did more good so it naturally selected to three percent and… Not really. Whatever happened isn’t a form of Darwinism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRcXREeCZ04

13 Replies to “A toad looks and sounds like a venomous snake

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    EDTA says:

    Actually, not the first mimic frog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsROL4Kf8QY

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    aarceng says:

    They don’t look all that similar to me.

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    massam says:

    Out of curiosity, how is this exactly go against Darwinism?

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    ET says:

    How is it support for Darwinism, massam?

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    massam says:

    ET,
    I’m not defending Darwinism. I am sincerely asking how this organism technically defies Darwinism. Just saying “whatever happened wasn’t Darwinism” isn’t a sufficient answer, if there is a way to show how this animal goes against Darwinian theory, I would like to see it. Thanks.

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    ET says:

    I didn’t say that you were defending Darwinism. Darwinism doesn’t have a mechanism capable of producing eukaryotes. So the existence of any and every metazoan goes against Darwinism.

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    massam says:

    And this is from Wikipedia:
    Eukaryotes can reproduce both asexually through mitosis and sexually through meiosis and gamete fusion. In mitosis, one cell divides to produce two genetically identical cells. In meiosis, DNA replication is followed by two rounds of cell division to produce four haploid daughter cells.

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    bill cole says:

    Massam

    Through a comparative approach, evolutionary cell biology makes use of genomics, bioinformatics, and cell biology of non-model eukaryotes to provide new avenues for understanding basic cellular processes. This approach has led to proposed mechanisms underpinning the evolution of eukaryotic cellular organization including endosymbiotic and autogenous processes and neutral and adaptive processes. Together these mechanisms have contributed to the genesis and complexity of organelles, molecular machines, and genome architecture. We review these mechanisms and suggest that a greater appreciation of the diversity in eukaryotic form has led to a more complete understanding of the evolutionary connections between organelles and the unexpected routes by which this diversity has been reached.

    Do you think this is a credible explanation?

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    massam says:

    Bill Cole,
    Fair enough. I am still waiting to see how this animal /specifically/ goes against Darwinism. Thanks.

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    ET says:

    massam- If the frog was responding to an environmental cue then it isn’t Darwinism.

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    massam says:

    ET,
    Thanks. I am not trying to pick a fight at all, I am just trying to understand Darwinism better. So I understand that the frog is responding to an environmental cue, so then how does this break Darwin’s theory?

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    bill cole says:

    Massam

    Bill Cole,
    Fair enough. I am still waiting to see how this animal /specifically/ goes against Darwinism. Thanks.

    The eukaryotic cell has many irreducibly complex structures not found in prokaryotic cells. The paper you cited does not mention all these challenges. There is very little evidence of a gradual path and we’re looking at structures that require 500k or more nucleotides or more to build. This step is required for the simple to complex model of Darwin to work. Otherwise the common ancestor to both these organisms makes the technology of the space shuttle look trivial. The evidence is clear that life starts with massive complexity.

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