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Darwinian Revisionism: Transmuting not only organisms but also the history of the subject

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A week ago I described here at UD my debate with atheist Lewis Wolpert. A blogger who goes by “Manic Street Preacher” sent me three unsolicited emails about his reaction to the debate, which was not positive. Denyse O’Leary briefly adverted to this blogger here.

I finally had a look at what this blogger wrote. I can’t say I was impressed with the argumentation or erudition, but I do have to credit him for chutzpah. He writes (go here):

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Dembski repeated the common straw man that scientists in Darwin’s day knew nothing about the inner workings of the cell, and thought that they were mere “blobs of protoplasm”. Well, Dembski should take a look this drawing out, which was made by Darwin himself:

Darwinian Blobs

See, they show the inner workings of the cell and clearly show its complexity. Scientists in Darwin’s time, in fact, had quite a good understanding of what cells were, and they were not simply “blobs of protoplasm”. This is yet another creationist hoax which is easily debunked.
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I don’t mean to be argumentative, but the insides of the cells depicted here do look to me like blobs. But qualitative interpretations like this aside, the fact is that Darwin had no conception of molecular biology or the intricate nano-engineering that Michael Behe, for instance, describes in the cell. Moreover, it’s straightforward to examine the actual history of the scientific understanding of the cell to realize that the cell in Darwin’s time was conceived as simple, indeed so simple that it could spontaneously generate. Jonathan Wells and I describe some of this in HOW TO BE AN INTELLECTUALLY FULFILLED ATHEIST.

But perhaps the easiest way to see that “Manic Street Preacher” is blowing smoke is to do a search on “Bathybius Haeckelii” — slime dredged up from the ocean floor thought to be the primordial living matter. This proved to be a big embarrassment to Huxley and Haeckel. The details here are unimportant. What is important is that biologist of Huxley’s and Haeckel’s stature thought that life could be so simple as to be the result of this slime.

“Manic Street Preacher” reminds me of Joey Bishop in the movie A GUIDE FOR THE MARRIED MAN. Bishop, caught in flagrante delictu with another woman by his wife, denies all wrong doing (and, if he were a Darwinist, would accuse his wife of infidelity). Eventually, the wife, suitably cowed, accepts the denials and agrees that nothing happened. Well, here at UD we don’t let Darwinists get away with such nonsense. Darwin and his contemporaries didn’t have a clue about the complexity of the cell. History bears this out, Darwinian revisionism notwithstanding.

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Reminds me of grandpas lava lamp when I was a kid.
Yes, also eerily similar to my daughter's 2nd grade science project drawings of cells observed in her pond water sample, viewed under a $10 kid's microscope.landru
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I don’t mean to be argumentative, but the insides of the cells depicted here do look to me like blobs.
Indeed. Reminds me of grandpas lava lamp when I was a kid.IRQ Conflict
January 15, 2010
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Graham 1- Did you read the OP? If you had you would understand that 1- there ain't no obsession ;) and 2) it is related to what Chucky said.Joseph
January 15, 2010
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peachykeen quotes Darwin:
A cell is a complex structure, with its investing membrane, nucleus, and nucleolus, a gemmule, as Mr. G. H. Lewes has remarked in his interesting discussion on this subject (Fortnightly Review, Nov. 1, 1868, p. 508), must, perhaps, be a compound one, so as to reproduce all the parts.
Let's see- compared to what we now know that description makes the cell appear very simple in comparison.Joseph
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I googled "blobs of protoplasm" and that settled the matter for me. What about you?Cabal
January 15, 2010
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Jumping Jupiter, why the obsession with what Chuck said 150 years ago? What on earth does it matter ? Evolution is accepted today on its merits, not what was written 150 yrs ago. Why is this so hard to understand ? Sure, Darwin got the ball rolling, and is regarded as substantially correct, but weve moved on in lots of the details. Its the Origin, not the Bible. Its not meant to be inerrant.Graham1
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“Each of us was, at the beginning of his existence, a simple globule of protoplasm, surrounded by a membrane, about 1/120 of an inch in diameter, with a firmer nucleus inside it. Ernst Haeckel, Last Words on Evolution (London: A. Owen & Co., 1906).Barry Arrington
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Mr. Darwin, a lot of people say that you did not regard the cell as complex. What do you have to say to that? A cell is a complex structure, with its investing membrane, nucleus, and nucleolus, a gemmule, as Mr. G. H. Lewes has remarked in his interesting discussion on this subject (Fortnightly Review, Nov. 1, 1868, p. 508), must, perhaps, be a compound one, so as to reproduce all the parts. http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F1748b&viewtype=text&pageseq=1 But wait a minute, blobs of protoplasm aren't "complex structures" that include a "membrane" and "nucleus." Your own words seem to contradict the claim that you thought these cells were solely protoplasm. Are you saying that these people are wrong? Yes. Quit lying about me.peachykeen
January 14, 2010
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See chapter XXVII of: The World of Life For a good example of what was known about the cell around 1900.Mung
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Wikipedia (their gospel) weighs in: Protoplasm:
The word protoplasm comes from the Greek protos for first, and plasma for thing formed. It was first used in 1846 by Hugo von Mohl to describe the "tough, slimy, granular, semi-fluid" substance within plant cells, to distinguish this from the cell wall, cell nucleus and the cell sap within the vacuole.[2] Thomas Huxley later referred to it as the "physical basis of life" and considered that the property of life resulted from the distribution of molecules within this substance. Its composition, however, was mysterious and there was much controversy over what sort of substance it was.[3] Unsurprisingly, attempts to investigate the origin of life through the creation of synthetic "protoplasm" in the laboratory were not successful.[4]
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Protoplasm.eu says:
Charles Darwin and his 19th century contemporaries viewed "protoplasm" as the sole content of a cell; in other words, cells were nothing but simple blobs composed of "proto-plasm," a substance that had the ability of self replication. This simplified view of cell biology circumvented the problem of the origin of life that Darwin and others struggled with. However, that problem was later introduced in the 1950s when the complex molecular structure of DNA was discovered with following research into the complex biochemistry of living things. The concept of protoplasm was perceived as the essence of life ("vita force"), being something nearly sacred, induplicable by man as it can evolve into quite a number of other living creatures.
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