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Evolution is a Fact; So is Climate Change

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For those of us who have been critiquing evolutionary theory for a long time, and hence, long-time observers of the kind of reasoning evolutionists/Darwinists employ, you can’t help but see the absolute parallel that exists between evolutionary theory and the “science” behind “global warming.” [N.B. If you have to change the name of the ‘science’ from “global warming” to “climate change,” then just admit you’ve lost the argument, else why change the very name you use?.]

Both involve ‘consensus’ thinking; both involve criteria that used in one manner provide a solution given ONE SET of facts, but which, given a new, different, and conflicting set of facts, are used in almost the opposite manner; both involve an almost faith-like allegiance to the theory.

So, in the midst of our current historically cold temperatures, articles appear telling us how historic cold is a by-product of ‘global warming.’

Below are two sentences that is equally valid if ‘evolutionary theory’ is substituted for ‘global warming’ and ‘evolutionary biologists’ for ‘climate scientists’:

Global warming is an infinitely flexible, unscientific, unfalsifiable theory which can be stretched to accommodate any observation. Some Climate Scientists even shamelessly reject the very concept of scientific falsification with regard to the conduct of climate science.

See here for the actual article.

When the time comes that Climate Change is seen to be the biggest scientific fraud in human history, will Darwinian evolution soon follow?

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I will add something else to "Evolution is a fact.": "Evolution is a fact; so are moonlandings."Seqenenre
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Mung @ 12 - you can see how that's going to go. Steam next week.Bob O'H
December 30, 2017
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PaV, Reminds me of Darwinism, no neo-Darwinism, Neutral Theory, no EVO-Devo, Constructive Neutral Evolution, Constructor Theory of Life and I'm sure some are missing. Oh yes, Extended Evolutionary Synthesis at Royal Society Where ID scientist in attendance witnessed the changing of the guard as old Darwinisnt fight the new materialist over new directions. Extend or Not to Extend, just don't dare let Design enter in. Times they are a Changing, just not Climate - other than normal ebb and tide flow around the world over great times of history from Warming to Cooling, the mini-Ice Age. Global Cooling in the 70s launched us into Global Warming, then having been "stopped" by the Great Pause became Climate Change. To the regret of many, they found themselves floundering, their models severely flawed, built upon feedback loops that ran to hot. After the big Scare, the Hollywood Drama by Al Gore, the oppression of truth, the Email Scandals, lies and hiding of data, the inflated Hockey Schtick Stick, what can one do? Except, on any given warm cold day, Climate Changes. Warm..., no Cold Climate Change BTW, where's Al Gore? Did the Polar Bears get wiped out? Are the children in England without snow this winter?DATCG
December 29, 2017
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I don’t know enough about climate change to know if it real or not. But I do know that CO2, methane and other man produced compounds are accumulating in the atmosphere faster than they can be removed. When we do that to our lakes, rivers and oceans, we know that there are impacts that are detrimental to us. Why do we have the arrogance to believe that the same doesn’t apply to the atmosphere.Molson Bleu
December 29, 2017
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RV, *fewer* humans. We will continue to pray for your eternal soul, in the hope that your foolish choices aren’t eternally actualized. You’ll have much bigger things to worry about instead of just thinking it’s lights out.AnimatedDust
December 29, 2017
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The solution of course is less humans.
I strongly disagree but if you want to do us the favor I won't stop you. The solution, of course, is to stop industrial animal agriculture. We can easily feed the world by better using the land used for IAA. And we will have a better world to live in in return.ET
December 29, 2017
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Mung @12, try, just try, to imagine an existance outside your hermetically sealed existance. Just try.rvb8
December 29, 2017
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rvb8, you have no excuse.Mung
December 29, 2017
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Snow a few days ago. rain now. climate change is real.Mung
December 29, 2017
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ET @10, note the date and time, we are in agreement! Of course we may differ on the solution. Indeed?Industrial animal agriculture, is hugely destructive. Taking land, food, water, and scarce resources so, "I", can eat a steak, or pork chop, or other meat. The solution of course is less humans. As this is basically impossible, inhumane, and rightly criminal, we are largely screwed. Don't worry however, as your, mine, and everyone elses existance, (though mightily good fun), is irrelevant in a universe such as ours: enjoy!:)rvb8
December 29, 2017
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rvb8- Alarmists are giving a warning where no warning is needed. The major hazard we are causing is with industrial animal agriculture. Until the alarmists focus on that, the real problem, they might as well be pissing into the wind.ET
December 29, 2017
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Actually, Florabama @8, I don't care. Climate change is a fact. Just as evolution is a fact. To deny either, is just that, denial. I am 54, and expect to live quite healthily for another twenty or so years. After I give up the ghost (Heh:), what happens here on earth does not bother me. Although I do hope I leave my progeny, with enough, where with all, you understand? You, and the other Christian posters here, on the other hand, have far more invested. At Christ's right hand you will look down upon your relations, children etc, and see them suffer, as a dying planet robs them of a healthy life. Very selfish really!rvb8
December 29, 2017
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ET @ 6, you obviously don't know the rules as exposed by rvb8, so let me explain. When normal weather events conform to Climate Change models they are significant evidence for Climate Change. When normal weather events do not conform to climate change models, and in fact show the opposite, they should be ignored as insignificant weather events, and in no way antithetical to Climate Change. Consistent logic has been melted away by Global Warming.Florabama
December 29, 2017
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ET @6, "alarmists", are people who are giving a warning. This is no warning, it is now. This wonderful planet, created by God, as a 'gift' to humanity is on its last legs. As an atheist I don't really care, and as a misanthrope, I think it is quite funny and just. However, I do have family and friends, and however much I may loathe humanity, ?and I do), I do have that evolutionary impulse to love my closest DNA relatives, and friends`, (and I do). A conumdrum, as you can see. So, to surmise; we are killing ourselves, while religion is complicitly standing by, and God is absent!rvb8
December 29, 2017
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rvb8- So it's only OK for the alarmists to link heat waves and severe storms - you know normal weather events- to global warming? And it isn't OK when we use THEIR tactics against them? How many faces do you have?ET
December 29, 2017
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N.B. If you have to change the name of the ‘science’ from “global warming” to “climate change,” then just admit you’ve lost the argument, else why change the very name you use?
I think that you might be confused about this. Global warming is just that, global warming. An increase in the average global temperature. Climate change is the consequence of global warming. Just like acid rain is the consequence of NOx and SO4 atmospheric discharge, and lake eutrophication is the consequence of nutrient pollution.JSmith
December 29, 2017
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News @2, unbelievable! "It is cold in the South Pole, there is no Global warming! It is cold in Canada in December, there is no Global warming. Yesterday it was minus 30, there is no Global warming.“ Or perhaps this earth shattering stupidity is more up your alley: "The earth is a gift from God, I was born in Canada, the world is good!" Of course if you were born in the 'Democratic Republic of Congo', your view on Global warming would be equally ill-informed. But your ignorance there would be for a good reason; you had no education! News, you have no excuse.rvb8
December 29, 2017
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I liked the apocalypse better when it was global warming
Indeed. And odder still, a Warmist still can't detect any hype after, oh, I don't know, 20 years of this? Andrewasauber
December 29, 2017
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As someone who lives in Ottawa, Canada, who receives extreme cold weather bulletins daily or several times a day from weather services, I liked the apocalypse better when it was global warming. That was exotic, like Hawaii. This is just the usual cold and colder, with a frosting of apocalyse.News
December 29, 2017
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It's a case where the Evolution and Climate Change communities simply do not allow adverse evidence/information of any kind to reflect badly on the narrative. If that means the narrative no longer pretends to be scientific, that's the way it goes. But it's so blatantly obvious now in both camps, you just wonder what it's like to be a fly on wall. I imagine morale is pretty low. But the inability of some to take the option of just walking away and moving back to the real world is concerning. I hope violence can be avoided. Andrewasauber
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