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From Philip Cunningham: The human eye, like the human brain, is a wonder

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(Which allegedly required no actual design) With references, courtesy Philip Cunningham:

The human eye consists of over two million working parts making it second only to the brain in complexity (1).

The retina covers less than a square inch, and contains 137 million light-sensitive receptor cells. The retina possesses 7 million cones, which provide color information and sharpness of images, and 120 million rods which are extremely sensitive detectors of white light (2).

There are between seven to ten-million shades of color the human eye can detect (3).

The rod can detect a single photon. Any man-made detector would need to be cooled and isolated from noise to behave the same way (4).

On average, about a quarter of a billion photons enter our eyes each second (5).

For visible light, the energy carried by a single photon would be around a tiny 4 x 10-19 Joules; this energy is just sufficient to excite a single molecule in a photoreceptor cell of an eye (6).

The eye is so sensitive that it can, under normal circumstances, detect a candle 1.6 miles away (7),

But if you’re sitting on a mountain top on a clear, moonless night you can see a match struck 50 miles away (8).

It only takes a few trillionths of a second, (picoseconds), for the retina to absorb a photon in the visible range of the spectrum (9).

The inverted retina, far from being badly designed, is a design feature, not a design constraint. Müller cells in the ‘backwards’ retina span the thickness of the retina and act as living fiber optic cables to shepherd photons through to separate receivers, much like coins through a change sorting machine (10).

The eye is infinitely more complex than any man-made camera (11).

The eye can handle between 500,000 and 1.5 million messages simultaneously, and gathers 80% of all the knowledge absorbed by the brain (12).

The brain receives millions of simultaneous reports from the eyes. When its designated wavelength of light is present, each rod or cone triggers an electrical response to the brain, which then absorbs a composite set of yes-or-no messages from all the rods and cones (13).

There is a biological computer in the retina which compresses, and enhances the edges, of the information from all those millions of light sensitive cells before sending it to the visual cortex where the complex stream of information is then decompressed (14).

This data compression process has been referred to as “the best compression algorithm around,” (15 & 15a).

While today’s digital hardware is extremely impressive, it is clear that the human retina’s real-time performance goes unchallenged. To actually simulate 10 milliseconds of the complete processing of even a single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of about 500 simultaneous nonlinear differential equations 100 times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cray supercomputer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in complex ways, it would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second (16). (of note: the preceding comparison was made in 1985 when Cray supercomputers ruled the supercomputing world).

In an average day, the eye moves about 100,000 times, and our mind seems to prepare for our eye movements before they occur (17).

In terms of strength and endurance, eyes muscles are simply amazing. You’d have to walk 50 miles to give your legs the same workout as the muscles in one of your eyes get in a day (18).

The brain exploits a feedback system which produces phenomenally precise eye movements (19).

The human is the only species known to shed tears when they are sad (20).

Tears are not just saline. Tears have a similar structure to saliva and contain enzymes, lipids, metabolites and electrolytes (21).

And, tears contain a potent microbe-killer (lysozyme) which guards the eyes against bacterial infection (22).

The average eye blinks one to two times each minute for infants and ten times faster for adults.

This blinking adds up to nearly 500 million blinks over an average lifetime (23).

References:

  1. – 20 Facts About the Amazing Eye – 2014
  2. An eye is composed of more than 2 million working parts…. 20: Eyes are the second most complex organ after the brain. – Susan DeRemer, CFRE – Discovery Eye Foundation
  3. Vision and Light-Induced Molecular Changes

Excerpt : “The retina is lined with many millions of photoreceptor cells that consist of two types: 7 million cones provide color information and sharpness of images, and 120 million rods (Figure 3) are extremely sensitive detectors of white light to provide night vision.” – Rachel Casiday and Regina Frey Department of Chemistry, Washington University

  1. – Number of Colors Distinguishable by the Human Eye – 2006 “Experts estimate that we can distinguish perhaps as many as 10 million colors.” – Wyszecki, Gunter. Color. Chicago: World Book Inc, 2006: 824…. “Our difference threshold for colors is so low that we can discriminate some 7 million different color variations (Geldard, 1972).” – Myers, David G. Psychology. Michigan: Worth Publishers, 1995: 165. From Number of Colors Distinguishable by the Human Eye
  2. Study suggests humans can detect even the smallest units of light – July 21, 2016

Excerpt: Research,, has shown that humans can detect the presence of a single photon, the smallest measurable unit of light. Previous studies had established that human subjects acclimated to the dark were capable only of reporting flashes of five to seven photons…

it is remarkable: a photon, the smallest physical entity with quantum properties of which light consists, is interacting with a biological system consisting of billions of cells, all in a warm and wet environment,” says Vaziri. “The response that the photon generates survives all the way to the level of our awareness despite the ubiquitous background noise. Any man-made detector would need to be cooled and isolated from noise to behave the same way.”…

The gathered data from more than 30,000 trials demonstrated that humans can indeed detect a single photon incident on their eye with a probability significantly above chance.

“What we want to know next is how does a biological system achieve such sensitivity? How does it achieve this in the presence of noise?

  1. How many photons get into your eyes? – 2016

Excerpt : About half a billion photons reach the cornea of the eye every second, of which about half are absorbed by the ocular medium. The radiant flux that reaches the retina is therefore approx. 2*10^8 photons/s.

  1. Photon Excerpt For visible light the energy carried by a single photon is around a tiny 4×10–19 joules; this energy is just sufficient to excite a single molecule in a photoreceptor cell of an eye, thus contributing to vision.[4]
  2. How Far Can We See and Why? Excerpt: “Detecting a candle flame: Researchers believe that without obstructions, a person with healthy but average vision could see a candle flame from as far as 1.6 miles.”
  3. An Eye for Exercise Your eye is a very active organ – December 28, 2001

(HealthDayNews) — The cells in the retina are so sensitive that if you’re sitting on a mountain top on a clear, moonless night you can see a match struck 50 miles away.

  1. Vision and Light-Induced Molecular Changes

Excerpt: “Thus, when 11-cis-retinal absorbs a photon in the visible range of the spectrum, free rotation about the bond between carbon atom 11 and carbon atom 12 can occur and the all-trans-retinal can form. This isomerization occurs in a few picoseconds (10-12 s) or less.” – Rachel Casiday and Regina Frey, Department of Chemistry, Washington University

  1. Fiber optic light pipes in the retina do much more than simple image transfer – Jul 21, 2014

Excerpt: Having the photoreceptors at the back of the retina is not a design constraint, it is a design feature. The idea that the vertebrate eye, like a traditional front-illuminated camera, might have been improved somehow if it had only been able to orient its wiring behind the photoreceptor layer, like a cephalopod, is folly. Indeed in simply engineered systems, like CMOS or CCD image sensors, a back-illuminated design manufactured by flipping the silicon wafer and thinning it so that light hits the photocathode without having to navigate the wiring layer can improve photon capture across a wide wavelength band. But real eyes are much more crafty than that.

A case in point are the Müller glia cells that span the thickness of the retina. These high refractive index cells spread an absorptive canopy across the retinal surface and then shepherd photons through a low-scattering cytoplasm to separate receivers, much like coins through a change sorting machine. A new paper in Nature Communications describes how these wavelength-dependent wave-guides can shuttle green-red light to cones while passing the blue-purples to adjacent rods. The idea that these Müller cells act as living fiber optic cables has been floated previously. It has even been convincingly demonstrated using a dual beam laser trap….

…In the retina, and indeed the larger light organ that is the eye, there is much more going on than just photons striking rhodopsin photopigments. As far as absorbers, there are all kinds of things going on in there—various carontenoids, lipofuscins and lipochromes, even cytochrome oxidases in mitochondria that get involved at the longer wavelegnths….

,,In considering not just the classical photoreceptors but the entire retina itself as a light-harvesting engine… that can completely refigure (its) fine structure within a few minutes to handle changing light levels, every synapse appears as an essential machine that percolates information as if at the Brownian scale, or even below….

  1. The Wonder of Sight – April 15, 2020

Excerpt: The eye processes approximately 80% of the information received from the outside world. In fact, the eyes can handle 500,000 messages simultaneously. It happens all the time, and you don’t even have to think about it. Your eyes just do it! The eye is infinitely more complex than any man-made camera or telescope.

  1. Walk By Faith – Now See Here, Touch & Smell to Discern Good & Evil – July 6, 2018

Excerpt: “I Am Joe’s Eye” (from the Reader’s Digest series) says “For concentrated complexities, no other organ in Joe’s body can equal me … I have tens of millions of electrical connections and can handle 1.5 million simultaneous messages. I gather 80 percent of all the knowledge Joe absorbs.”

  1. Fearfully and Wonderfully Made – Philip Yancey, Paul Brand

Excerpt: The brain receives millions of simultaneous reports from the eyes. When its designated wavelength of light is present, each rod or cone triggers an electrical response to the brain, which then absorbs a composite set of yes-or-no messages from all the rods and cones.

  1. Retina – Spatial encoding

Excerpt: When the retina sends neural impulses representing an image to the brain, it spatially encodes (compresses) those impulses to fit the limited capacity of the optic nerve. Compression is necessary because there are 100 times more photoreceptor cells than ganglion cells. This is done by “decorrelation”, which is carried out by the “centre–surround structures”, which are implemented by the bipolar and ganglion cells.

There are two types of centre–surround structures in the retina – on-centres and off-centres. On-centres have a positively weighted centre and a negatively weighted surround. Off-centres are just the opposite. Positive weighting is more commonly known as excitatory, and negative weighting as inhibitory.

These centre–surround structures are not physical apparent, in the sense that one cannot see them by staining samples of tissue and examining the retina’s anatomy. The centre–surround structures are logical (i.e., mathematically abstract) in the sense that they depend on the connection strengths between bipolar and ganglion cells. It is believed that the connection strength between cells is caused by the number and types of ion channels embedded in the synapses between the bipolar and ganglion cells.

The centre–surround structures are mathematically equivalent to the edge detection algorithms used by computer programmers to extract or enhance the edges in a digital photograph. Thus, the retina performs operations on the image-representing impulses to enhance the edges of objects within its visual field.

  1. JPEG for the mind: How the brain compresses visual information – February 11, 2011

Excerpt “Computers can beat us at math and chess,” said Connor, “but they can’t match our ability to distinguish, recognize, understand, remember, and manipulate the objects that make up our world.” This core human ability depends in part on condensing visual information to a tractable level. For now, at least, the brain format seems to be the best compression algorithm around.

15a. Optimised Hardware Compression, The Eyes Have It. – 2011

  1. Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance! by Dr. David Menton on August 19, 2017

Excerpt: In an article in Byte magazine (April 1985), John Stevens compares the signal processing ability of the cells in the retina with that of the most sophisticated computer designed by man, the Cray supercomputer:

“While today’s digital hardware is extremely impressive, it is clear that the human retina’s real time performance goes unchallenged. Actually, to simulate 10 milliseconds (one hundredth of a second) of the complete processing of even a single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of about 500 simultaneous nonlinear differential equations 100 times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cray supercomputer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in complex ways, it would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second.”

  1. Looking At What The Eyes See – February 25, 2011

Excerpt: We move our eyes three times a second, over 100,000 times each day. Why isn’t life blurrier? Reporting in Nature Neuroscience, psychologist Martin Rolfs and colleagues found that our mind seems to prepare for our eye movements before they occur, helping us keep track of objects in the visual field.

  1. An Eye for Exercise Your eye is a very active organ – December 28, 2001 (HealthDayNews) — Did you know that you’d have to walk 50 miles to give your legs the same workout as the muscles in one of your eyes get in a day?
  2. How do our eyes move in perfect synchrony? By Benjamin Plackett – June 21, 2020

Excerpt: “You have a spare one in case you have an accident, and the second reason is depth perception, which we evolved to help us hunt,” said Dr. David Guyton, professor of ophthalmology at The Johns Hopkins University. But having two eyes would lead to double vision if they didn’t move together in perfect synchrony. So how does the body ensure our eyes always work together?

To prevent double vision, the brain exploits a feedback system, which it uses to finely tune the lengths of the muscles controlling the eyes. This produces phenomenally precise eye movements, Guyton said.

Each eye has six muscles regulating its movement in different directions, and each one of those muscles must be triggered simultaneously in both eyes for them to move in unison, according to a 2005 review in the Canadian Medical Association Journal. “It’s actually quite amazing when you think about it,” Guyton told Live Science. “The brain has a neurological system that is fantastically organized because the brain learns over time how much stimulation to send to each of the 12 muscles for every desired direction of gaze.”

  1. Why Only Humans Shed Emotional Tears – 2018

Abstract Producing emotional tears is a universal and uniquely human behavior…

  1. Facts About Tears – Dec. 21, 2018 Excerpt Tears Have Layers

Tears are not just saline. They have a similar structure to saliva and contain enzymes, lipids, metabolites and electrolytes. Each tear has three layers:

An inner mucus layer that keeps the whole tear fastened to the eye.

A watery middle layer (the thickest layer) to keep the eye hydrated, repel bacteria and protect the cornea.

An outer oily layer to keep the surface of the tear smooth for the eye to see through, and to prevent the other layers from evaporating.

Lacrimal glands above each eye produce your tears…

  1. How Tears Go ‘Pac-Man’ To Beat Bacteria – January 20, 2012

Excerpt: In 1922, a few years before he won the Nobel Prize for his discovery of penicillin, bacteriologist Alexander Fleming discovered in human tears a germ-fighting enzyme which he named lysozyme. He collected and crystallized lysozyme from his own tears, then wowed contemporaries at Britain’s Royal Society by demonstrating its miraculous power to dissolve bacteria before their very eyes.

“That’s a seriously bodacious experiment”…

  1. Eyelids—Intermittent Wipers – Dr. Don DeYoung – October 20, 2013

Excerpt: The blinking of our eyes is automatic and essential. Its saline washer fluid moistens and protects the outer cornea of the eye while removing dust. Other protective features include our eyebrow “umbrellas” and recessed eyeball sockets.

The average eye blinks one to two times each minute for infants and ten times faster for adults. This blinking adds up to nearly 500 million blinks over an average lifetime. The actual mechanism, however, is not well understood. It may involve a “blinking center” in the brain.

Today billions of windshield wipers duplicate the eye’s intermittent blinking. Yet none last as long or work as efficiently as our God-given eyelids.

Comments
ET: Today’s humans are not the designed humans. Today’s humans are the result of many generations of genetic accidents, errors and mistakes. So, your version of ID is a front-loaded type where the designer is no longer intervening to keep things on track? Why do you think the designer has lost interest in humans?JVL
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Martin_r: JVL, you did not say ‘bad design’…. Dawkins & co. did… Dawkins never made anything… there is even a book on human ‘errors’…. you see?now you deny that these guys used the term ‘bad design’… I didn't deny they said 'bad design'; I only said I didn't. so, the same question for you, have you ever noticed a blind spot in your vision – u nless (sic) you do that Dawkin’s stupid trick? Even when I was young, way before Dr Dawkins became famous, there were ways to show you where your blind spot is. I don't know what 'Dawkin's stupid trick' you are referring to but the existence of a blind/dead spot is well known and well documented. JVL, regarding your other question, what eye functionality did you mean in particulary (sic)? I'd love to have greater acuity. I'd love to be able to see into the ultraviolet. I'd love to have four colour cones instead of three. I'd love to be able to see underwater better. I'd love to have faster adjustment at night for better night vision. Can someone explain to me, how brain figured out the correct RGB ratio, in other words, how to mix the colors? But please don't (sic) say, that to correcly (sic) mix 10,000,000 colors based on RGB input was a lucky accident What is 'the correct RGB ratio'? What's the standard? Human vision? Have you ever tried taking photographs under fluorescent lighting fixtures and noticed how the colour comes out different? The camera is using a different 'ratio'; which one is correct?JVL
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ET ” Today’s humans are the result of many generations of genetic accidents, errors and mistakes.” Yes, you are. :)Steve Alten2
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And another clueless post from Acartia's sock- Today's humans are not the designed humans. Today's humans are the result of many generations of genetic accidents, errors and mistakes. And I doubt that you have to worry about testicles...ET
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It may not be poor design, but for between 30 and 70% of people, depending on the stats you look at, it is not a particularly good application of the design. And who’s bright idea was it to hang the testicles outside the body where they tend to get hit at a frequency that is much higher than I would like? I would like to lodge a complaint. Or appeal the decision to a higher court.Steve Alten2
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Lots of experts here.... Can someone explain to me, how brain figured out the correct RGB ratio, in other words, how to mix the colors? But please dont say, that to correcly mix 10,000,000 colors based on RGB input was a lucky accidentmartin_r
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Easily answering JVL: Humans have the capability for technology. We can compensate for just about anything using technology.ET
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Have you got an answer to that specific question?
You have been given an answer that makes perfect sense.jerry
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JVL, regarding your other question, what eye functionality did you mean in particulary?martin_r
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JVL, you did not say ‘bad design’.... Dawkins & co. did... Dawkins never made anything... there is even a book on human ‘errors’.... you see?now you deny that these guys used the term ‘bad design’... so, the same question for you, have you ever noticed a blind spot in your vision - u nless you do that Dawkin’s stupid trick?martin_r
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Martin_r: Then, it is always the same… these cowards are unwilling to admit, THAT THEY ACTUALLY CAN’T SEE ANY BLIND SPOT IN THEIR VISION… (unless they do that stupid R Dawkins trick) It's not a stupid trick, and it's not due to Dr Dawkins either. Our minds fill in the 'blind' spot by smearing the surrounding colours into that spot so we're not aware of it unless a specific object of the right size is in that exact spot. This is crazy… biologists, archeologists, paleontologists, and other ‘-logists’ talk about bad design :))))) These guys never made anything… so please shut your mouths and listen carefully what engineers say … I didn't say bad design; I did say I'd love to have eyes with some of the functionality that other animals have and I can't see why a designer wouldn't have given us that functionality. Have you got an answer to that specific question?JVL
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This is crazy... biologists, archeologists, paleontologists, and other '-logists' talk about bad design :))))) These guys never made anything... so please shut your mouths and listen carefully what engineers say ...martin_r
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one remark in regards to human eye's blind spot: i debated lots of atheists... in my debates, sooner or later, they always come up with this blind-spot thing.... Then, it is always the same... these cowards are unwilling to admit, THAT THEY ACTUALLY CAN'T SEE ANY BLIND SPOT IN THEIR VISION... (unless they do that stupid R Dawkins trick) So what is the matter? What is wrong? Of course, as always, nothing is wrong.... Apparently, only evolutionary biologists including R Dawkins think that there is something wrong ... most laymen don't even know that there is some blind spot in our vision.martin_r
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JVL, the design inference, the core of ID is not about inferring designers much less grand ones. It is adequate, to identify on implication logic inductively applied to inference to best explanation, that design as causal process [another application of implication logic] often leaves highly reliable signs such as FSCO/I in the various forms, up to and including not only sophisticated, complex functional organisation but actual coded instructions in the cells involved. Language and goal directed stepwise process. It is ideologically stamped crooked yardsticks that give the purblindness that so consistently rejects such a powerful inference. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: I find it hard to take seriously the arguments by those who wish to find fault with our visual systems, which we all [save the regrettably blind or colour blind] experience as an awesomely effective and powerful system. Perhaps, we are unaware for example that, with suitable dark adaptation we can sense single photon flashes. I recall, long ago, going into a specially dark room and waiting with an instrument I was working on, to be able to do just that. And if you take for cynical granted the powerful beauty we access through colour vision, pause to see how colour blind people react to glasses that at last give them access to some colour distinctions we commonly take for granted. Where, any half decent instrument designer can tell you, there are always complex, subtle design trade-offs so the issue is not optimum on some arbitrary criterion of perfection but robust adequacy of instrument and system performance with hopefully graceful degradation and a limp home mode. KF PS: Ask yourself why people putting on colour corrective glasses for the first time are often reduced to tears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5vvuToj74 . . . another eye functionality. Oh, yes, how can I leave off Ms Foxy and how she uses her eyes to express what she as a dog cannot say in words? Eyes as windows on the soul . . . and think about the aesthetics involved.kairosfocus
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Bornagain77: You see JVL, all of modern science itself is based on the presupposition that we live in a rational universe that was created by God, and that we do not live in a universe that has no real rhyme, or reason, for its existence as atheists presuppose in their worldview. So, if God doesn't exist (just supposing) could we not still think 'he' does and with that assumption still do science? I think the universe has some structure and predictable forms because it's built up by a finite number of basic building blocks. Kind of like using Lego. Also I think humans have very good pattern recognition abilities and it seems to me that if a human being sees B always following after A that they might get curious about a cause and effect relationship without having to resort to the notion of a grand designer.JVL
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JVL:
why did the designer choose to give humans less than optimal eyes?
That is your opinion that humans have less than optimal eyes. Major league baseball players are evidence against that. Humans have the capability for technology. We can compensate for just about anything using technology.ET
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Earth to JVL- The issue is allowing SCIENTIFIC research to reach a design inference when warranted. No one is doing any research guided by blind watchmaker evolution.ET
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JVL, To reword what's going on above: If you are assuming an epistimically superior position when we don't actually occupy an epistemically superior position, then you can infer your way to an incorrect conclusion. For instance, if you use the fact that we don't know why we don't have 4-color sense ability instead of three to conclude that we don't fulfill unknown design goals, that would be inferring too much.EDTA
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This has been hashed out above, but I figure I will throw in my 2 cents' worth: >If humans were the goal of biological evolution on Earth then we must have the less-than-optimal eyes we have for some reason. I wonder what that reason is? That may or may not be accessible to us. We can ask and seek, but it may be beyond us, or just not available to us. >I’d love to have greater acuity or to be able to see into the ultraviolet range. Me too. But as a finite creature, I will always be able to find things I lack. Not much can be concluded from that I don't think. >Is it possible to know what the design goals are? We don't know that either. Wouldn't that be a metaphysical question though? >Do you think ID should be asking questions like these? Ask all the questions you want. But if we are less intelligent/capable than the designer, please don't reject the hypothesis just because we don't have the answers today. >Because we’re talking about science aren’t we? ID'ers aren't limiting the discussion to only material causes, so it may not be a purely scientific question.EDTA
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JVL keeps asking,
Will you now consider having a conversation about where ID research should be heading?
I'm charitably supposing, (since JVL has only engaged in fallacious philosophical/theological arguments so far), that JVL is finally interested in talking about actual scientific research, and not just philosophical posturing, as he is now engaged in. If so, It might surprise JVL to know all real scientific research is research into Intelligent Design. You see JVL, you cannot even 'do science' in the first place unless you first presuppose Intelligent Design on some level. As Paul Davies explained,
Physics and the Mind of God: The Templeton Prize Address – by Paul Davies – August 1995 Excerpt: “People take it for granted that the physical world is both ordered and intelligible. The underlying order in nature-the laws of physics-are simply accepted as given, as brute facts. Nobody asks where they came from; at least they do not do so in polite company. However, even the most atheistic scientist accepts as an act of faith that the universe is not absurd, that there is a rational basis to physical existence manifested as law-like order in nature that is at least partly comprehensible to us. So science can proceed only if the scientist adopts an essentially theological worldview.” https://www.firstthings.com/article/1995/08/003-physics-and-the-mind-of-god-the-templeton-prize-address-24
And as Paul Davies explained elsewhere
Taking Science on Faith – By PAUL DAVIES – NOV. 24, 2007 Excerpt: All science proceeds on the assumption that nature is ordered in a rational and intelligible way. You couldn’t be a scientist if you thought the universe was a meaningless jumble of odds and ends haphazardly juxtaposed. ,,, the very notion of physical law is a theological one in the first place, a fact that makes many scientists squirm. Isaac Newton first got the idea of absolute, universal, perfect, immutable laws from the Christian doctrine that God created the world and ordered it in a rational way. Christians envisage God as upholding the natural order from beyond the universe, ,,, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/opinion/24davies.html
You see JVL, all of modern science itself is based on the presupposition that we live in a rational universe that was created by God, and that we do not live in a universe that has no real rhyme, or reason, for its existence as atheists presuppose in their worldview. Atheists simply have no basis in their worldview for 'doing science' in the first place. As the following quote makes clear, ""Atheists may do science, but they cannot justify what they do.",,,
"Atheists may do science, but they cannot justify what they do. When they assume the world is rational, approachable, and understandable, they plagiarize Judeo-Christian presuppositions about the nature of reality and the moral need to seek the truth. As an exercise, try generating a philosophy of science from hydrogen coming out of the big bang. It cannot be done. It’s impossible even in principle, because philosophy and science presuppose concepts that are not composed of particles and forces. They refer to ideas that must be true, universal, necessary and certain." - Creation-Evolution Headlines
A crucial linchpin in the founding of modern science was the Christian belief that any mathematics that might describe this universe were the 'thoughts of God', As Paul Davies further explained,
"All the early scientists, like Newton, were religious in one way or another. They saw their science as a means of uncovering traces of God's handiwork in the universe. What we now call the laws of physics they regarded as God's abstract creation: thoughts, so to speak, in the mind of God. So in doing science, they supposed, one might be able to glimpse the mind of God - an exhilarating and audacious claim." - Paul Davies - quoted from an address following his award of the $1 million Templeton Prize in 1995 for progress in science and religion. http://ldolphin.org/bumbulis/
And as Dr. Edward Feser explained,
KEEP IT SIMPLE – by Edward Feser – April 2020 Excerpt: Mathematics appears to describe a realm of entities with quasi-divine attributes. The series of natural numbers is infinite. That one and one equal two and two and two equal four could not have been otherwise. Such mathematical truths never begin being true or cease being true; they hold eternally and immutably. The lines, planes, and figures studied by the geometer have a kind of perfection that the objects of our experience lack. Mathematical objects seem immaterial and known by pure reason rather than through the senses. Given the centrality of mathematics to scientific explanation, it seems in some way to be a cause of the natural world and its order. How can the mathematical realm be so apparently godlike? The traditional answer, originating in Neoplatonic philosophy and Augustinian theology, is that our knowledge of the mathematical realm is precisely knowledge, albeit inchoate, of the divine mind. Mathematical truths exhibit infinity, necessity, eternity, immutability, perfection, and immateriality because they are God’s thoughts, and they have such explanatory power in scientific theorizing because they are part of the blueprint implemented by God in creating the world. For some thinkers in this tradition, mathematics thus provides the starting point for an argument for the existence of God qua supreme intellect. https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/04/keep-it-simple
In the minds of the Christian founders of modern science, mathematics, especially any mathematics that might describe the universe, were held to be contingent upon God’s thoughts. Perhaps the best example that I can give for the fact that the Christian founders of modern science held mathematics, especially any mathematics that might describe the universe, to be God’s thoughts is the following quote by Kepler, (which he made shortly after discovering the laws of planetary motion),,
“O, Almighty God, I am thinking Thy thoughts after Thee!” – Johannes Kepler, 1619, The Harmonies of the World.
And this not just some relic of superstition that is left over from Medieval Christian Europe, but the belief that any mathematics that might describe this universe is 'miraculous' is still with us today. In fact, both Albert Einstein and Eugene Wigner are on record as to regarding it as a 'miracle' that we can even describe the universe with mathematics in the first place. Einstein even went so far as to castigate 'professional atheists' in the process of calling it a miracle.
On the Rational Order of the World: a Letter to Maurice Solovine – Albert Einstein – March 30, 1952 Excerpt: “You find it strange that I consider the comprehensibility of the world (to the extent that we are authorized to speak of such a comprehensibility) as a miracle or as an eternal mystery. Well, a priori, one should expect a chaotic world, which cannot be grasped by the mind in any way .. the kind of order created by Newton’s theory of gravitation, for example, is wholly different. Even if a man proposes the axioms of the theory, the success of such a project presupposes a high degree of ordering of the objective world, and this could not be expected a priori. That is the ‘miracle’ which is constantly reinforced as our knowledge expands. There lies the weakness of positivists and professional atheists who are elated because they feel that they have not only successfully rid the world of gods but “bared the miracles.” -Albert Einstein – Letter to Solovine The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences – Eugene Wigner – 1960 Excerpt: ,,certainly it is hard to believe that our reasoning power was brought, by Darwin’s process of natural selection, to the perfection which it seems to possess.,,, It is difficult to avoid the impression that a miracle confronts us here, quite comparable in its striking nature to the miracle that the human mind can string a thousand arguments together without getting itself into contradictions, or to the two miracles of the existence of laws of nature and of the human mind’s capacity to divine them.,,, The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve. We should be grateful for it and hope that it will remain valid in future research and that it will extend, for better or for worse, to our pleasure, even though perhaps also to our bafflement, to wide branches of learning. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/MathDrama/reading/Wigner.html
Atheists simply have no clue why mathematics should be applicable to the universe in the first place, and therefore atheists have no basis in their worldview for grounding modern science. Whereas Christians do have a basis for grounding modern science. (Indeed, it is the basis that gave rise to modern science in the first place), Christians hold that there is a rational basis behind the universe since God created it. And that we, being made in the 'image of God', can dare understand that rationality.
Science and Theism: Concord, not Conflict* – Robert C. Koons?IV. The Dependency of Science Upon Theism (Page 21) Excerpt: Far from undermining the credibility of theism, the remarkable success of science in modern times is a remarkable confirmation of the truth of theism. It was from the perspective of Judeo-Christian theism—and from the perspective alone—that it was predictable that science would have succeeded as it has. Without the faith in the rational intelligibility of the world and the divine vocation of human beings to master it, modern science would never have been possible, and, even today, the continued rationality of the enterprise of science depends on convictions that can be reasonably grounded only in theistic metaphysics.?http://www.robkoons.net/media/69b0dd04a9d2fc6dffff80b3ffffd524.pdf
Thus in conclusion, and to answer JVL's question about the status of ID research. Since all scientific research necessarily presupposes Intelligent Design, and since scientific research in doing fairly well, (in spite some heavy interference from atheistic presuppositions, i.e. Darwinian evolution, multiverses etc.. etc..), then I hold that ID research is getting along quite nicely. Thank you for asking. :) Verse and quote:
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” of note: ‘the Word’ in John1:1 is translated from ‘Logos’ in Greek. Logos also happens to be the root word from which we derive our modern word logic What is the Logos? Logos is a Greek word literally translated as “word, speech, or utterance.” However, in Greek philosophy, Logos refers to divine reason or the power that puts sense into the world making order instead of chaos.,,, In the Gospel of John, John writes “In the beginning was the Word (Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). John appealed to his readers by saying in essence, “You’ve been thinking, talking, and writing about the Word (divine reason) for centuries and now I will tell you who He is.” https://www.compellingtruth.org/what-is-the-Logos.html
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“Desperate and kind of pathetic,” is how Eric Metaxas delicately characterizes materialist attempts to explain away the three scientific discoveries that together call for an inference to a personal God. https://evolutionnews.org/2021/03/metaxas-meyer-materialists-moves-are-desperate-and-kind-of-pathetic/ Dr. Stephen C. Meyer With His New Book: RETURN OF THE GOD HYPOTHESIS - Eric Metaxas radio show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLHM_baV_sE&t=6sbornagain77
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JVL The human eye is fine. It works pretty well. BUT there are animal eyes that work even better. So WHY do humans have eyes that are functionally sub-par to other animal eyes? What reason is there that our eyes don’t have greater acuity? What reason is there that our eyes don’t have four colour detectors? What reason is there that our eyes can’t see into the ultraviolet range? I notice that NO ONE has even tried to answer those questions. Why is that? Does ID not have an answer to that question? I’m not going to mock anyone for believing in God but I do think it’s fair to ask: why would God do it that way? Because we’re talking about science aren’t we?
Ma Fren the most valuable thing you are producing is when you go to toilet. Have you created at least a flea? Then why you talk about human eye? If you are not in the field of creation of complicated biological things why you open your mouth ? All amateurs commenting about things they have no idea just because they have internet .And a half neuron.Lieutenant Commander Data
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Asauber: And I think you should be honest and admit your trolling problem. Then get some help. How does answering a question about ID's research agenda undermine your position? Why is that such a verboten question? I really don't understand how people who want to be taken seriously as science supporters would not be able to come up with outstanding questions in their area they'd like to see addressed. If you've really got nothing to say then that's fine. I'll just leave it.JVL
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"I just thought that someone who clearly has an analytic mind and cares a lot would have some idea of where ID research should head. But thanks for being honest." JVL, And I think you should be honest and admit your trolling problem. Then get some help. Andrewasauber
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Bornagain77: You can’t make this stuff up. You spell out a trolls argument for him, and he denies that he making that argument, and then precedes to reiterate the argument again. I'm sorry I have disappointed you. But . . . Will you now consider having a conversation about where ID research should be heading?JVL
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Asauber: I’m not a researcher. I don’t have inside access to other people’s research and/or agendas. I’m a commenter. I suggest you read the stuff on this blog and other ID sites that are available. I just thought that someone who clearly has an analytic mind and cares a lot would have some idea of where ID research should head. But thanks for being honest.JVL
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"still nothing to contribute towards an ID research agenda?" JVL, I'm not a researcher. I don't have inside access to other people's research and/or agendas. I'm a commenter. I suggest you read the stuff on this blog and other ID sites that are available. Andrewasauber
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You can't make this stuff up. You spell out a trolls argument for him, and he denies that he making that argument, and then precedes to reiterate the argument again. A fitting quote for this thread,
"There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See" • According to the ‘Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings’ this proverb has been traced back to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse Jeremiah 5:21 (‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’).
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Asauber: I already gave you my answer. You are just trolling. Okay! Still nothing to contribute towards an ID research agenda? Pity. No one seems to have any idea.JVL
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