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Is Darwin’s old enemy, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, being rehabilitated?

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Laszlo Bencze Darwin’s fundamentalists have told us, we don’t know how many times, that genes are inherited via survival of the fittest (natural selection acting on random mutation of the parent’s inherited genome). So Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) was dead wrong; genes can’t change in one’s lifetime and be inherited in that changed state. Now we read,

Gene mutations caused by a father’s lifestyle can be inherited by his children, even if those mutations occurred before conception. What’s more, these findings show that mutations in the germ-line are present in all cells of the children, including their own germ cells. This means that a father’s lifestyle has the potential to affect the DNA of multiple generations and not just his immediate offspring. These findings were published in the July 2013 issue of The FASEB Journal.

“We’ve known for a very long time that preventive care among expectant mothers is critical to the health and well-being of their children,” said Gerald Weissmann, M.D., Editor-in-Chief of The FASEB Journal. “Now, we’re learning that fathers don’t get a free pass. How they take care of themselves — even before conception — affects the genetic makeup of their children, for better or worse.”

Some people have found themselves asking, “How is this to be distinguished from Lamarckism? Is the Lamarckian view (characteristics inherited during one’s lifetime are passed on to offspring, a Darwinism no-no) now being rehabilitated, as part of Darwinism’s decline?”

Meanwhile, photographer/philosopher Laszlo Bencze wrote to say,

Actually, though it is little acknowledged today, Darwin himself postulated such a Lamarckian scheme in Origin. He spoke of tiny little factors or agents which he called “gemmules” which supposedly existed in all cells of the body where they picked up certain signals about how hard an organ or tissue was being used and traveled to the germ cells with this information allowing the germ cells to include useful improvements in the next generation.

If this sounds highly speculative and in direct contradiction to Darwin’s reliance on natural selection of variations, well, it certainly is. Darwin liked to cover his bets. So it looks like Lamarckism never really went away and is now rising to prominence in a new and improved form.

Another thing that won’t really have gone away, if this flies, is specious Darwinian efforts to convince us that Darwin’s followers haven’t always dumped all over Lamarck whenever they got the chance.

Let the games begin.

Journal reference: O. Linschooten, N. Verhofstad, K. Gutzkow, A.-K. Olsen, C. Yauk, Y. Oligschlager, G. Brunborg, F. J. van Schooten, R. W. L. Godschalk. Paternal lifestyle as a potential source of germline mutations transmitted to offspring. The FASEB Journal, 2013; DOI: 10.1096/fj.13-227694

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KeithS Whenver there is a disagreement with a Darwinist the following happens... 1.) The Darwinist tells you that you don't understand it. 2.) When you finally show that you do, they will find fault with the spelling or the phrases you use... Happens like this every time. You do the same, As a Darwinist you should not trust your logic and reason, being from a monkey how can you?Andre
July 9, 2013
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Andre,
So the Blacksmith’s bigger arms are not a mutation? If not what is it?
No, it's not a mutation. Here you go: Muscle hypertrophykeiths
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KeithS Will this article help you? http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2005/12_21_05.html Exactly what Denyse was saying! But disagree if you must, who would want to agree with a loony that thinks ID is possible.Andre
July 9, 2013
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I was referring to this comment (#15).keiths
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Andre, I encourage you to think about what you just wrote. Really think about it.keiths
July 9, 2013
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KeithS So the Blacksmith's bigger arms are not a mutation? If not what is it? http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/epigenetic-influences-and-disease-895 Epigenetics is not just about positive acquired traits you know, bad ones are too, or will you just tell me I don't understand it?Andre
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KeithS The you don't understand tactic is stale, you just don't understand ID is what I might as well say when we disagree, its lame.Andre
July 9, 2013
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News:
Is the Lamarckian view (characteristics inherited during one’s lifetime are passed on to offspring, a Darwinism no-no) now being rehabilitated, as part of Darwinism’s decline?
Yes, but not "as part of Darwinism's decline". As part of neo-Darwinism's decline, certainly. We now know that heritability is far more than DNA sequence inheritance.Elizabeth B Liddle
July 9, 2013
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Andre, Your links are all to examples of epigenetics. The "naysayers" aren't arguing against epigenetics. We're arguing that Denyse doesn't understand Lamarckism, because she cites this study as an example of it. As I explained above:
The study you cite isn’t talking about the Lamarckian inheritance of acquired characteristics. Jerry’s blacksmith example would be an instance of Lamarckian inheritance: Blacksmith works, blacksmith gets big arms, blacksmith passes big arms on to his children. The study you cite says something completely different: Father smokes, smoking causes mutations in father’s genes, father passes mutations on to children.
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Denyse In Support of your article. http://www.technologyreview.com/news/411880/a-comeback-for-lamarckian-evolution/ http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7299/full/nature09230.html http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/evolution/138760514.html Don't worry about the naysayers, If its not Darwin it has to be false, religion is a terrible thing!Andre
July 9, 2013
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Jerry:
There is nothing new here. Yes some things get inherited based on mutations which is normal NDE or because the environment of the parent which changes some of the epigenetic characteristics. So some things can be changed during a lifetime and then passed on to offspring.
Heritable epigenetics, while documented in rare and controversial cases for many years now, is now being found to be a widespread and common process. Along with phenotypic plasticity in general, many developmental changes in a species population are being discovered to act non-radomly on individuals due to environment, and actually have nothing to do with fixation of traits due to NDE selection of random fitness-increasing mutations. The standard mantra of RM+NS is quickly becoming antiquated and useless. However it still holds great philosophical value for the evolutionist, as they fully rely on the model of a filter of countless random changes to explain the origin of highly complex function. The more RM+NS becomes diminished as a mechanism in the public eye, the more glaringly obvious that evolution has no mechanism at all. In the scientific community there is even increasing questioning on whether or not mutations are random, or have much less of a random component than once assumed by NDE.
The Blacksmith’s strength or other physical characteristics developed during a life time are not passed on.
While it may not manifest into identical transgenerational strength, there is probably a great deal of epigenetic expression being activated and inherited due to the blacksmith's lifestyle and environment. While the blacksmith activated this function later in life while starting his career(environment stress), his children would experience whatever transgenerational epigenetic expression from infancy which may have very unexpected results.lifepsy
July 8, 2013
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I know Darwin used Lamarck stuff in explaining how he thought women could breed more intelligent girls. By careful attention to their own intelligence and then waiting a few years she could make the female babies smarter. This was needed because Darwin insisted women were intellectually inferior to men by innate genetics as such. I'm not saying it and its not true. Darwin said it in his descent of man book. Keep it under your hat.Robert Byers
July 8, 2013
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Meyer in his new book briefly reviews modern Lamarckian theories. He points to Eva Jablonka and Massimo Pigliucci as advocates of epigenitic changes which affect inheritance of biological information. These are mostly non mutational changes. Meyer dismisses epigenetic inheritance as anything meaningful for various reasons he develops in the book. But so little is known about epigenetics that it is too early to tell where is will lead. But epigenetic inheritance is not what Lamarck meant by the use it or loose it concept.jerry
July 8, 2013
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Ah, I see you edited your comment to add this:
Darwin’s followers routinely contrast natural selection with inheritance of acquired characteristics...
Of course they do. Those are separate things. The study you cite isn't talking about the Lamarckian inheritance of acquired characteristics. Jerry's blacksmith example would be an instance of Lamarckian inheritance: Blacksmith works, blacksmith gets big arms, blacksmith passes big arms on to his children. The study you cite says something completely different: Father smokes, smoking causes mutations in father's genes, father passes mutations on to children.keiths
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Take it up with Bencze. – O’Leary
You take no responsibility for the title and content of your own post?keiths
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“How is this to be distinguished from Lamarckism? " Not people who know what Lamarckism means, however. Don't you think UD news should have the first idea about the topics on which it opines?wd400
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Take it up with Bencze. Darwin's followers routinely contrast natural selection with inheritance of acquired characteristics, irrespective of what Darwin thought. Don't be too sure aout the blacksmith's arm either. ;) - O'LearyNews
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Also, I don't know where you got the idea that Lamarck was "Darwin's old enemy." Darwin praises Lamarck as "the first man whose conclusions on the subject excited much attention.… In these works he up holds the doctrine that all species, including man, are descended from other species." He also uses Lamarckian ideas in some of his work.keiths
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Denyse, You have completely misunderstood the study you cite. What the study shows is that mutations caused by the father's lifestyle can be passed down to his descendants. The mutations are in the genes, and they get passed on. It's genetic, not epigenetic. Darwinian, not Lamarckian! A Lamarckian scenario would be something like what jerry describes in his blacksmith example.keiths
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There is nothing new here. Yes some things get inherited based on mutations which is normal NDE or because the environment of the parent which changes some of the epigenetic characteristics. So some things can be changed during a lifetime and then passed on to offspring. The Blacksmith's strength or other physical characteristics developed during a life time are not passed on. So this is not truly Lamarckian. Unless someone knows something different.jerry
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OT: Today on the Michael Medved Show's Science & Culture Update, Stephen Meyer Will Discuss His New Bestseller, Darwin's Doubt Evolution News & Views July 8, 2013 That's 1 pm Pacific Time, 4 pm Eastern. It's this week's Science & Culture Update. You can also listen online by going here. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/07/today_on_the_mi_4074171.html#sthash.VcTJuYCo.dpufbornagain77
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