More on Haeckel’s fake embryos possibly starring again in the Texas school system

In addition, since plants and humans share a common ancestor, surely there are similarities in the embryonic development of plants which further illustrate the point. The phrase cherry-picking comes to mind. Mung

thanks :) Mung

Mung @ 5: Great minds, and all that ... I was going to post essentially the same thought, but your wording is better. Ilion

Since actual images of embryos are now readily available, why are they not used instead of the fakes??? Haeckel's Bogus Embryo Drawings - The faked drawings compared to actual pictures http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Image:Ontogeny2.jpg further notes: Current Textbooks Misuse Embryology to Argue for Evolution - June 2010 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/06/current_textbooks_misuse_embry035751.html Haeckel's Bogus Embryo Drawings - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecH5SKxL9wk Icons of Evolution 10th Anniversary: Haeckel's Embryos - January 2011 - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0kHPw3LaG8 also of particular interest is the following, because it undermines the entire argument that was trying to be put forth by the fake embryos in the first place: The mouse is not enough - February 2011 Excerpt: Richard Behringer, who studies mammalian embryogenesis at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas said, “There is no ‘correct’ system. Each species is unique and uses its own tailored mechanisms to achieve development. By only studying one species (eg, the mouse), naive scientists believe that it represents all mammals.” http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/57986/ Marsupial Embryos Challenge Common Ancestry – Casey Luskin - audio podcast http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/2011-02-09T16_33_21-08_00 A Primer on the Tree of Life (Part 4) Excerpt: "In sharks, for example, the gut develops from cells in the roof of the embryonic cavity. In lampreys, the gut develops from cells on the floor of the cavity. And in frogs, the gut develops from cells from both the roof and the floor of the embryonic cavity. This discovery—that homologous structures can be produced by different developmental pathways—contradicts what we would expect to find if all vertebrates share a common ancestor. - Explore Evolution http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/05/a_primer_on_the_tree_of_life_p_3.html#more Neo-Darwinism's Gene Homology Problem - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6P6bXA50c0 ================= Fearfully and Wonderfully Made - Glimpses At Human Development In The Womb - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4249713 bornagain77

Because scientists don’t ... Why is this, then, allowed - by scientits, by educators, and in public education? And why are disclaimers often opposed? I went to public school - this sort of image was stock-in-trade for my education (60's - 70's)and I remember F.A.R.M and recapitulation theory being passed about as dogma in science teaching. If it weren't for Creationist then and Creationist and ID publishers, now, I may never have heard diffently. I find that significant in this issue. (It may be an excellent demonstration case for critical examination laws - theory strength & weakness - particularly in reference to biology education.) arkady967

Elizabeth Liddle's observations are on the money. The trouble is, many authors don't make a fuss. As a result, the job of making a fuss devolves onto lay taxpayers. They are sometimes blamed for introducing "controversy" to education. But they respond, "There is no other way to impose standards in some situations." News

Look, we all know that we start out as a bacterium, morph into a eukaryote, turn into a colony, eventually become a fish, from thence turn into a tetrapod, and eventually take on the shape of a human, all during the process of development, so what's all the fuss about? And if that doesn't prove common ancestry, what would? Mung

Because scientists don't. But text-book are not always written by professional scientists, and even good writers of text-books are not the only people with input into the finished article. Commissioning editors and picture editors are often responsible for the gaffes. In one case I know (a book on materials science and structures) the artist commissioned to do the cover illustration had misunderstood the design of dams. In the second edition, it was corrected (there was a brand new illustration). The author (Richard Gordon) had made a fuss! Good for him. Elizabeth Liddle

"But if we believe there is sufficient evidence for common ancestry, why choose fake evidence to demonstrate it?" I've always been curious as to why, if there is truly incontrovertible evidence that evolution really happened, scientists would risk their credibility by promoting evidence that is clearly false? Then, after promoting said false evidence, the scientists then scratch their heads and wonder why people don't view science as the only bastion of truth in this world. The logical disconnect is astonishing. Barb

Yeah- another piece of evidnce that boils down to "It looks like common ancestry to me because the embryos look similar to me." Just as the definition of a transitional form boils down to "It looks like a transistional form to me." And the strange part of all that is those same evos whine that ID is nothing more than saying "It looks desiged to me." Joseph

Of course, common ancestry can be true even if embryos do not demonstrate it. But if we believe there is sufficient evidence for common ancestry, why choose fake evidence to demonstrate it?

Bad writing, and/or bad editing and/or bad picture editing. No excuse. Text books tend to have very high production values these days, at the expense of rigour. It makes me very cross. I recently bought a couple of textbooks for my son (maths and physics) and found several errors almost immediately, mostly not in the basic content, but in things like sidebars with accompanying illustrations. It's very annoying. Elizabeth Liddle