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Nature article: Origin of life theory involving RNA–protein hybrid gets new support

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Structure that links amino acids suggests that early organisms could have been based on an RNA–protein mix.

Chemists say they have solved a crucial problem in a theory of life’s beginnings, by demonstrating that RNA molecules can link short chains of amino acids together.

Coloured TEM of ribosomes translating MRNA strand.
Carell and colleagues were inspired by ribosomes — shown here translating a strand of RNA.
Credit: Omikron/Science Photo Library

The findings, published on 11 May in Nature1, support a variation on the ‘RNA world’ hypothesis, which proposes that before the evolution of DNA and the proteins it encodes, the first organisms were based on strands of RNA, a molecule that can both store genetic information — as sequences of the nucleosides A, C, G and U — and act as a catalyst for chemical reactions.

The discovery “opens up vast and fundamentally new avenues of pursuit for early chemical evolution”, says Bill Martin, who studies molecular evolution at Heinrich Heine University Düsseldorf in Germany.

Chemists say they have solved a crucial problem in a theory of life’s beginnings, by demonstrating that RNA molecules can link short chains of amino acids together.

The findings, published on 11 May in Nature1, support a variation on the ‘RNA world’ hypothesis, which proposes that before the evolution of DNA and the proteins it encodes, the first organisms were based on strands of RNA, a molecule that can both store genetic information — as sequences of the nucleosides A, C, G and U — and act as a catalyst for chemical reactions.

The discovery “opens up vast and fundamentally new avenues of pursuit for early chemical evolution”, says Bill Martin, who studies molecular evolution at Heinrich Heine University Düsseldorf in Germany.

“This is a very exciting finding,” says Martin, “not only because it maps out a new route to RNA-based peptide formation, but because it also uncovers new evolutionary significance to the naturally occurring modified bases of RNA.” The results point to an important part played by RNA at the origins of life, but without requiring RNA alone to self-replicate, Martin adds.

To show that this is a plausible origin of life, scientists must complete several further steps. The peptides that form on the team’s RNA are composed of a random sequence of amino acids, rather than one determined by information stored in the RNA. Carell says that larger RNA structures could have sections that fold into shapes that ‘recognize’ specific amino acids at specific sites, producing a well-determined structure. And some of these complex RNA–peptide hybrids could have catalytic properties, and be subject to evolutionary pressure to become more efficient. “If the molecule can replicate, you have something like a mini organism,” says Carell.

Nature

It is apparent from the article that researcher intervention was critical in obtaining the reported outcome. Also, the pre-existence of complex, functional biomolecules is assumed (RNA itself, and ribosomes consisting of RNA segments and proteins). Evolution is mentioned several times as a means of guiding the nascent process into a fully self-replicating “mini organism.” Wishful thinking cannot overturn the information-barrier challenges involved in producing functional, self-replicating biomolecular machinery.

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Fred- calm down. It's obvious that you don't understand the argument. mRNA is neither a replicator nor a catalyst. It is a coded information carrier. It is the symbol. What is wrong with you? Why do you pick a war of wits and come unarmed?ET
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Here, Upright Biped.Fred Hickson
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Fred:
Perhaps decide first what the issue is, have an argument, then you may be in a position to judge.
I know what the issue is. You aren't interested in any argument. And you definitely aren't in any position to judge. Semiotics is the issue, Fred. Not one thing in this thread deals with semiotics. RNAs producing more RNAs is not semiotics. When mRNA codons REPRESENT amino acids, then you have semiotics. When you have a ribosome that puts out a protein from a mRNA input, you have semiotics. So, the ISSUE is how does physics and chemistry produce semiotics? No one knows.ET
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More developments at Tokyo University: https://www.quantamagazine.org/in-test-tubes-rna-molecules-evolve-into-a-tiny-ecosystem-20220505 Upright Biped Upright Biped Upright BipedFred Hickson
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However, the ribosome uses RNAs for making proteins. They are housed in a protein structure, but the RNAs are the catalyst. The point being we already knew that RNAs could catalyze peptide bonds. This just shows that the protein structure of the ribosome isn’t required for that reaction.
Upright Biped Upright Biped Upright BipedFred Hickson
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This doesn’t have anything to do with semiotics, Fred.
Absolutely right, ET. That stopped clock again! ;)
And you don’t understand the argument, anyway.
Perhaps decide first what the issue is, have an argument, then you may be in a position to judge.Fred Hickson
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This doesn't have anything to do with semiotics, Fred. And you don't understand the argument, anyway.ET
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Upright Biped Upright Biped Upright BipedFred Hickson
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Pater Kimbridge And the RNA can form in basaltic glass: https://phys.org/news/2022-06-scientists-breakthrough-life-earthand-mars.html
:))) This is not "breakthrough" is the same old magical thinking(emergence of meaningful code from chemicals and by chemicals ) that life must have emerged from matter but is too difficult for science to prove that today but tomorrow will be proven. Guaranteed. :) Well Mr. Scientist if is too difficult to prove a hypothesis why do you claim that is true ? The unproven ‘RNA world’ hypothesis is based on other never proved claim that life origin is materialistic. We have a chain of unproved assumptions that are considered true by default just because some people claim that to be true? This is not science is religion.Lieutenant Commander Data
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This is interesting. However, the ribosome uses RNAs for making proteins. They are housed in a protein structure, but the RNAs are the catalyst. The point being we already knew that RNAs could catalyze peptide bonds. This just shows that the protein structure of the ribosome isn't required for that reaction.ET
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And the RNA can form in basaltic glass: https://phys.org/news/2022-06-scientists-breakthrough-life-earthand-mars.htmlPater Kimbridge
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An assumption of a non-dissipating molecule appearing at one end and an assumption of replication eventually appearing at the other end is a hypothesis with too much lead in the saddle bag to run far. On the other hand, it might lead to a new fabric as shiny as silk and warm as wool and. can take dyes better than cotton - that’s a possibility too.Belfast
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I think the following articles do a good job of highlighting just how detached from reality these speculations on the naturalistic origin of life are.
Synthesizing Life in the Laboratory: Why is it not Happening? –by George T. Javor – July 26, 2021 Excerpt: Even though in living cells each reaction is pushed toward equilibrium by an enzyme (so as to forestall the possibility of slower, random non-biological chemical events), if any of the hundreds to thousands of chemical processes could actually reach equilibrium, an irreversible metabolic block would result. Multiple such equilibriums would kill the cell. However, in live cells there are no isolated reactions and the problem of equilibrium is avoided. Rather, chemical events are linked into pathways, so that the products of reactions do not accumulate, but immediately react with another substance. The end products of metabolic pathways are either utilized immediately or they are secreted from the cell. Moreover, regulatory systems such as “feedback inhibition” help maintain homeostasis.,,, Building artificial cells in a modular fashion will inevitably result in the onset of chemical equilibrium within each module. Once equilibrium is reached, the artificial cell, figuratively speaking, “runs into a brick wall”. It is no longer capable of growth or accomplish any net chemical process.,, Until the construction of cell-like structures harboring metabolisms in homeostatic non-equilibrium states become reality, the most sophisticated efforts of synthetic biology will come to naught. https://www.grisda.org/synthesizing-life-in-the-lab?mc_cid=5a79992abf
Just how far out of thermodynamic equilibrium is a 'simple' cell?
Biophysics – Information theory. Relation between information and entropy: – Setlow-Pollard, Ed. Addison Wesley Excerpt: Linschitz gave the figure 9.3 x 10^12 cal/deg or 9.3 x 10^12 x 4.2 joules/deg for the entropy of a bacterial cell. Using the relation H = S/(k In 2), we find that the information content is 4 x 10^12 bits. Morowitz’ deduction from the work of Bayne-Jones and Rhees gives the lower value of 5.6 x 10^11 bits, which is still in the neighborhood of 10^12 bits. Thus two quite different approaches give rather concordant figures. https://docs.google.com/document/d/18hO1bteXTPOqQtd2H12PI5wFFoTjwg8uBAU5N0nEQIE/edit
And 10^12 bits is equivalent to about 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica,
“a one-celled bacterium, e. coli, is estimated to contain the equivalent of 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica. Expressed in information in science jargon, this would be the same as 10^12 bits of information. In comparison, the total writings from classical Greek Civilization is only 10^9 bits, and the largest libraries in the world – The British Museum, Oxford Bodleian Library, New York Public Library, Harvard Widenier Library, and the Moscow Lenin Library – have about 10 million volumes or 10^12 bits.” – R. C. Wysong – The Creation-evolution Controversy
And seeing that the information content of just a single protein is far beyond chance to ever explain,
Origin: Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KEVaCyaA
,, then obviously believing that chance can possibly explain a (very) simple cell with approximately 400 genes is exponentially worse
DID LIFE START BY CHANCE? Excerpt: Molecular biophysicist, Harold Morowitz (Yale University), calculated the odds of life beginning under natural conditions (spontaneous generation). He calculated, if one were to take the simplest living cell and break every chemical bond within it, the odds that the cell would reassemble under ideal natural conditions (the best possible chemical environment) would be one chance in 10^100,000,000,000. You will have probably have trouble imagining a number so large, so Hugh Ross provides us with the following example. If all the matter in the Universe was converted into building blocks of life, and if assembly of these building blocks were attempted once a microsecond for the entire age of the universe. Then instead of the odds being 1 in 10^100,000,000,000, they would be 1 in 10^99,999,999,916 (also of note: 1 with 100 billion zeros following would fill approx. 20,000 encyclopedias) http://members.tripod.com/~Black_J/chance.html Of note: Harold Joseph Morowitz (Yale) was an American biophysicist who studied the application of thermodynamics to living systems. Author of numerous books and articles, his work includes technical monographs as well as essays. The origin of life was his primary research interest for more than fifty years.
Here is a beautiful quote by Dr. Tour
"So the gedanken (thought) experiment is this. Even if I gave you all the components. Even if I gave you all the amino acids. All the protein structures from those amino acids that you wanted. All the lipids in the purity that you wanted. The DNA. The RNA. Even in the sequence you wanted. I've even given you the code. And all the nucleic acids. So now I say, "Can you now assemble a cell, not in a prebiotic cesspool but in your nice laboratory?". And the answer is a resounding NO! And if anybody claims otherwise they do not know this area (of research).” - James Tour: The Origin of Life Has Not Been Explained - 4:20 minute mark (The more we know, the worse the problem gets for materialists) https://youtu.be/r4sP1E1Jd_Y?t=255
Verse:
John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
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