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Remember Lenski’s experiments on E coli evolution?

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He talks about his findings here (public access):

In February 1988, Richard Lenski set up 12 replicate populations of a single genotype of Escherichia coli in a simple nutrient medium. He has been following their evolution ever since. Here, Lenski answers provocative questions from Jeremy Fox about his iconic “Long-Term Evolution Experiment” (LTEE). The LTEE is a remarkable case study of the interplay of determinism and chance in evolution—and in the conduct of science.
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A reader writes, “Sounds like Lenski admits that there is no experiment or hypothesis in the traditional sense. I wonder if he would admit that to a popular audience.”

Was the reader thinking of this?

JF: Ok, so let me ask you that. Is the LTEE actually an experiment, and wouldn’t it have been even better if it was? It’s just one “treatment”—12 replicates of a single set of conditions. Wouldn’t it have been even more interesting to have, say, two treatments? Two different culture conditions, two founding genotypes, or two founding species?

RL: You’re certainly right, Jeremy, that experiments in the fields of ecology and evolutionary biology typically have two or more treatments. But that’s not an essential part of the definition of an experiment. It would have been nice, perhaps, if the LTEE did have two or more environments and/or two or more ancestors, as you suggest—in fact, we’ve run several of those types of experiments over the years, and I’ll mention a few of them below.

The reason I didn’t do that with the LTEE, though, was because one of my core motivating questions concerned the repeatability of evolutionary dynamics across replicate population. That’s a question about the trajectory of variances over time, which is challenging statistically because estimates of variances have large uncertainties. So if the LTEE had two treatments, I might have been able to say something about the differences between them, but I would have had less power to say anything about the among-replicate variances for either treatment. So for that motivating question, going from 12 replicate populations down to 6 replicates would have been risky.

Well, um, no, not in the traditional sense. Only design requires evidence. And all such evidence is dismissed in principle.

Evolution today is NOT about evidence. That is because we are at the frontier of an impasse that Darwin’s followers can’t help us bridge.

Talk to the fossils: Let’s see what they say back
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My only problem with people like Lenski, Moran or Coyne is: Why do they insist on "lying" especially to themselves and the world about their beliefs that they call science? I don't get it. Here is why: Lenski's experiment is the only experiment I know about that Darwinists refer to as evolution proven in the lab. They claim that this experiment proves that a new metabolic pathway has evolved in the lab that equals millions of years of evolution. I say, where is the bacterial progress beyond that if their claim is even true in the first place?KevNick
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I've always wondered why Lenski’s experiment didn't include samples exposed to elevated ionizing radiation, which could have simulated long ages. As long as the samples are kept below their LD 50/30, which is quite high for E.coli, and the temperature not too high, he would have been able to simulate background radiation dosage both in quantity and composition. -QQuerius
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What a boring "expirement" yawn. Like watching grass grow. In a lab. E. coli in the wild is much more interesting; http://www.healthline.com/health-news/women-antibiotic-resistant-ecoli-traced-to-single-strain-121613ppolish
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REC:
Baraminology feels comfortable extrapolating from small cultures, passaged over thousands of generations on media selective for E. coli to trillions of generations with possibly 10^30 organisms in all the environments of early Earth.
And what does UCD have to extrapolate from? What does evolutionism have to extrapolate from? Hmmmm? Extrapolating from natural selection and drift it is obvious you don't have a mechanism capable of UCD.Virgil Cain
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Baraminology feels comfortable extrapolating from small cultures, passaged over thousands of generations on media selective for E. coli to trillions of generations with possibly 10^30 organisms in all the environments of early Earth. Hmmm......REC
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Don't hold your breath our materialist brethren won't accept the results no matter what the evidence say.Andre
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Well, Robert, if bacteria can only evolve into bacteria then universal common descent (UCD) is stuck at, wait for it, bacteria. In 50,000+ generations there isn't anything that supports the range of change required for UCD. Baraminology says there are limits to the changes that can be produced and Lenski's experiment supports that claim.Virgil Cain
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Ok Joe, tell us how Lenski's experiment defeats common descent and supports baramins. Please be specific.REC
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REC Another materialist that has never heard of the species problem eh?Andre
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Geez REC, don't you understand science? YECs giving up on baraminology? Hah. More likely that evos are giving up on evolutionism. "Species" is ill defined. Even those organism that can interbreed are classified as different species. Heck all of evolutionism is ill defined. Perhaps you should focus on your position as it needs a lot of help.Virgil Cain
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Baraminology. Hah. From what I hear, even YECs are giving up on that. "Kind" is ill defined. What is a kind? Its a created type. So if speciation is observed-must be the same kind.REC
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"A reader writes, “Sounds like Lenski admits that there is no experiment or hypothesis in the traditional sense. I wonder if he would admit that to a popular audience.” Well, that 'reader' needs to try harder. Right there in the middle of the article: "JF: Did the LTEE have any hypotheses initially.... "RL: Yes, the LTEE had many hypotheses, some pretty clear and explicit, some less so. What, did you think I was swimming completely naked?" He then goes on to explain them.REC
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Lenski's experiment supports baraminology. It does fly in the face of universal common descent.Virgil Cain
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So... your evidence that evolutionary biology doesn't need evidence is that Lenski designed his experiment to capture as much evidence as possible for a particular hypothesis?wd400
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