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Turtles closer to BIRDS and crocodilians than to lizards and snakes?

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painted turtle/Daniel Field

To birds?

A growing number of studies examining DNA sequences have suggested a close evolutionary kinship between turtles and archosaurs, but those results were contradicted by anatomical studies and a recent study of small biomolecules called microRNAs. Because microRNAs are viewed by some as excellent evolutionary markers, the conflict between the microRNA and DNA results meant the turtle-archosaur link was viewed skeptically by many.

But the Dartmouth-led team’s research suggests the earlier microRNA conclusions were erroneous, and instead indicates that microRNAs and DNA sequences yield a common signal — that turtles share a more recent common ancestor with birds and crocodilians than with lizards and snakes.

Another highly productive day in straightening out the odd little kink left in the tidy picture of Darwinian evolution.

For what it is worth, birds are endothermic (warm-blooded), like mammals. Just a little adjustment there, of course, no big deal.

See also: Human and squid eyes arose from the same genes 500 mya (So if “evolution” just randomly did this, why don’t we hire “evolution” to solve other intractable problems?)

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NickMatzke_UD states: "You can’t just pick some random clade high up in the tree and pretend it is representative of the whole clade and then on that basis suggest the hypothesis is absurd." Yet Nick, your dishonesty with cladistics was exposed here: A One-Man Clade – David Berlinski – July 18, 2013 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/07/a_one_man_clade074601.html Nick Matzke and “Clutching in Mid-Air” December 9, 2013 by Barry Arrington Excerpt: The relationship between cladistics and Darwin’s theory of evolution is thus one of independent origin but convergent confusion. “Phylogenetic systematics,” the entomologist Michael Schmitt remarks, “relies on the theory of evolution.” To the extent that the theory of evolution relies on phylogenetic systematics, the disciplines resemble two biologists dropped from a great height and clutching at one another in mid-air. Tight fit, major fail. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/nick-matzke-and-clutching-in-mid-air/bornagain77
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Umm, that birds are dinosaurs (and therefore nested within reptiles) is not news, News.wd400
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(So if “evolution” just randomly did this, why don’t we hire “evolution” to solve other intractable problems?)
Had the main investors in engineering and software development projects realized the amazing power of RV+NS, most engineers and computer science professionals would've been out of work by now. Glad those investors haven't read Darwin's memo yet.Dionisio
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Another idiotic post. Birds are a subgroup of dinosaurs, which are a subgroup of archosaurs, which is the clade defined by the common ancestor of crocodiles and birds/dinosaurs. The study is just suggesting that turtles are somewhere on the stem way below the archosaur crown. You can't just pick some random clade high up in the tree and pretend it is representative of the whole clade and then on that basis suggest the hypothesis is absurd. Yet again proving that the primary reason ID/creationism has no cred with scientists is that its advocates can't get the most basic points correct.NickMatzke_UD
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Turtles closer to BIRDS and crocodilians than to lizards and snakes?
In a lake near my home we see many turtles living in complete harmony with a bunch of swans and ducks. They seem to get along very well. That seems to partially confirm the title of this thread, doesn't it? ;-)Dionisio
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