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World oldest known fossil forest just found at 385 million years ago

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From the Devonian era but much like today’s forests:

The fossilized roots– footprints of an ancient landscape– belonged to trees with wood and leaves, similar to what we see today, the study says.

This find was made in Cairo, about 40 miles south of Albany. Previously, scientists thought a fossilized forest in Gilboa, New York, was the earliest, but the one in Cairo is two or three million years older and dramatically different…

The discovery provides a snapshot of one of the planet’s great transitional periods, between an earth with no forests and an earth that’s covered in forests, Berry said.

Kelly Murray, “The world’s oldest known fossil forest has been discovered in a quarry in upper New York state” at CNN

Funny the way those sudden transitions occur, just as if they were spring loaded or something… Nah, can’t be. At all costs, true science must stick to the the Darwinian claim:

It may be said that natural selection is daily and hourly scrutinizing, throughout the world, every variation, even the slightest; rejecting that which is bad, preserving and adding up all that is good; silently and insensibly working, wherever and whenever opportunity offers, at the improvement of each organic being in relation to its organic and inorganic conditions of life.

… even when it is manifestly not plausible. Ah, the sacrifices people make for science…

Here’s the paper in Current Biology. (open access)

More soon.

5 Replies to “World oldest known fossil forest just found at 385 million years ago

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    trees with wood and leaves, similar to what we see today

    Sudden emergence. Then stasis.

    a snapshot of one of the planet’s great transitional periods, between an earth with no forests and an earth that’s covered in forests

    That’s a lie. No transition is shown at all.

    …silently and [mindlessly] working, wherever and whenever opportunity offers, at the improvement of each organic being …

    That’s the “science”. It’s embarrassing.

    it is manifestly not plausible

    Exactly. It’s amazing that anyone can believe it.

    Ah, the sacrifices people make for science

    That’s it. They’ll sacrifice their own integrity, honor, self-respect, honesty.

  2. 2
    PavelU says:

    This video shows how plants appeared and evolved:

    https://youtu.be/pFaBpVoQD4E

  3. 3
    bornagain77 says:

    PavelU,

    “This video shows how plants appeared and evolved:”

    It does nothing of the sort. Your video merely gives an overview of photosynthesis.

    And furthermore PavelU, If you are looking for ANY evidence that Darwinian evolution could possibly be true, Photosynthesis is certainly NOT your friend:

    Scientists unlock some key secrets of photosynthesis – July 2, 2012
    Excerpt: “The photosynthetic system of plants is nature’s most elaborate nanoscale biological machine,” said Lakshmi. “It converts light energy at unrivaled efficiency of more than 95 percent compared to 10 to 15 percent in the current man-made solar technologies.,, “Photosystem II is the engine of life,” Lakshmi said. “It performs one of the most energetically demanding reactions known to mankind, splitting water, with remarkable ease and efficiency.”,,, “Water is a very stable molecule and it takes four photons of light to split water,” she said. “This is a challenge for chemists and physicists around the world (to imitate) as the four-photon reaction has very stringent requirements.”
    http://phys.org/news/2012-07-s.....hesis.html

    New Study on the Evolution of Photosynthesis — A “Very Advanced Capability” – Cornelius Hunter – April 6, 2017
    Excerpt: evolutionist Robert Blankenship admitted, “The whole question of the origin of cyanobacteria has long been a mystery because they kind of just appeared out of the tree of life with this very advanced capability to do oxygenic photosynthesis without any apparent forebears.”
    If the cyanobacteria that do photosynthesis “just appeared” with this “very advanced capability” and “without any apparent forebears,” and if how and when they evolved photosynthesis “is poorly understood,” then just how is it that evolutionists are so certain that evolution is a fact? What am I missing here?
    https://www.evolutionnews.org/2017/04/new-study-on-the-evolution-of-photosynthesis-a-very-advanced-capability/

    Evolutionary biology: Out of thin air John F. Allen & William Martin:
    The measure of the problem is here: “Oxygenetic photosynthesis involves about 100 proteins that are highly ordered within the photosynthetic membranes of the cell.”
    http://www.nature.com/nature/j.....5610a.html

    Researchers Build Public “Library” To Help Understand Photosynthesis – March 19, 2019
    Excerpt: It isn’t easy being green. It takes thousands of genes to build the photosynthetic machinery that plants need to harness sunlight for growth. And yet, researchers don’t know exactly how these genes work.
    Now a team led by Princeton University researchers has constructed a public “library” to help researchers to find out what each gene does. Using the library, the team identified 303 genes associated with photosynthesis including 21 newly discovered genes with high potential to provide new insights into this life-sustaining biological process. The study was published online this week in Nature Genetics.
    “The part of the plant responsible for photosynthesis is like a complex machine made up of many parts, and we want to understand what each part does,” said Martin Jonikas, assistant professor of molecular biology at Princeton.
    https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/researchers-build-public-library-to-help-understand-photosynthesis/

    Moreover, these elaborate molecular machines that convert sunlight into energy, put to shame man-made photovoltaic cells in terms of efficiency.

    Uncovering Quantum Secret in Photosynthesis – June 20, 2013
    Excerpt: Photosynthetic organisms, such as plants and some bacteria, have mastered this process: In less than a couple of trillionths of a second, 95 percent of the sunlight they absorb is whisked away to drive the metabolic reactions that provide them with energy. The efficiency of photovoltaic cells currently on the market is around 20 percent.,,,
    Van Hulst and his group have evaluated the energy transport pathways of separate individual but chemically identical, antenna proteins, and have shown that each protein uses a distinct pathway. The most surprising discovery was that the transport paths within single proteins can vary over time due to changes in the environmental conditions, apparently adapting for optimal efficiency. “These results show that coherence, a genuine quantum effect of superposition of states, is responsible for maintaining high levels of transport efficiency in biological systems, even while they adapt their energy transport pathways due to environmental influences” says van Hulst.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.....142932.htm

    Thus once again, PavelU, the video you cited DID NOT support the claim you made for it, but it turns out that the evidence that YOU YOURSELF cited directly contradicted the claim that you made for it.

    In fact, it is hard to fathom a piece of evidence that is more antagonistic to the Darwinian claim that plants gradually evolved than photosynthesis itself is. And yet here you are citing it as if it was not directly contradictory to the claim you made for it.

    All this would be comical save for the fact that it is sad to think that you could possibly be so dense.

    You must be some kind of reverse troll. i.e. an ID advocate posing as a Darwinian troll, Nobody with the God given capacity to write language could possibly be as dense as you are pretending to be.

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    PavelU

    Beautiful video. If that shows the evolutionary origin of plants then there is absolutely nothing to that idea. The functional complexity of photosynthesis alone, not to mention the structure of leaves, stems and roots and the power of an oxygen-producing organism – all argue against the blind watchmaker.

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    jawa says:

    BA77,

    “You must be some kind of reverse troll. i.e. an ID advocate posing as a Darwinian troll, Nobody with the God given capacity to write language could possibly be as dense as you are pretending to be.”

    That’s an interesting possibility, but I think that poor guy doesn’t seem to possess any capacity to read or write well.
    He hasn’t written much here, just links to papers or videos.
    I would not make him a unique case, because he does what many people do out there: superficial interpretation of any text they read. I used to do the same until not so long ago too.
    Another possibility is that PavelU is just an avatar for an AI system used by somebody to generate comments to be posted online.

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