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Here’s more on “Climategate.” My favorite line: “And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW [anthropogentic global warming] can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.” Where have I heard that sort of thing before?

Here’s also a line I enjoyed from another piece in this vein: “It is not hard to think up ways to scare people into handing over more of their cash via taxes, insurance, inflation, etc. You just have to think of the right nightmare, publicize it, politicize it, turn it into curriculum, and sooner or later people will gladly hand you loads of moola with tears in their eyes.”

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Gil, I can see why you're proud of having such a compassionate and accomplished father. But it sounds as if he might also be a Darwinist.jitsak
November 22, 2009
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GilDodgen:
My father is the most brilliant scientist I have ever had the privilege to know. He is also the most ethical and compassionate man I have ever known, although he is an atheist. In many ways, he modeled Christ for me.
Modern science is not anti-religion. It is supplying increasingly obvious evidence on all fronts that design is screaming at us. One needs a really effective set of earplugs not to hear it and to remain an atheist.osteonectin
November 21, 2009
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This from one of the emails: "p.s. be a bit careful about what information you send to Andy and what emails you copy him in on. He's not as predictable as we'd like" An interesting line from one of the guys apparently cooking the global warming data to another cooker. One thing I can say about the anti ID people here is that they are predictable. They don't let truth or logic get in their way. They would probably do just fine in the global warming community.jerry
November 21, 2009
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My father is the most brilliant scientist I have ever had the privilege to know. He is also the most ethical and compassionate man I have ever known, although he is an atheist. In many ways, he modeled Christ for me. I remember only one time that I saw my father really angry with a colleague in the chemistry department, and that was when a professor was caught falsifying data in an attempt to get a research grant. Unfortunately, I fear that my father's ethics have been lost in much of the science community. David Berlinski has cynically commented (I paraphrase) that the classic image of the scientist is that he would rather be consumed at the stake than to falsify data. David asserts that this is fine for a PBS Special, but has nothing to do with reality; scientists will falsify data whenever they think they can get away with it, if it serves their purpose. I wish that more scientists were as ethical as my father.GilDodgen
November 21, 2009
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Science is about evidence, not consensus. Obviously, scientists don't want mere cranks wasting their time, but the holders of a current minority viewpoint should - in my view - be treated with the same respect as the Loyal Opposition in a parliamentary government. Schemes to get rid of people whose only offense is to dissent from a status quo, based on the results of their own research, harm science. Example: Maybe 85 percent of papers show that Vitamin N helps people get over colds, but 15 percent of papers do not. There is no value to science in demonizing the 15 percent whose research did not replicate the expected and desired results. Doubt is often the beginning of further knowledge. Same with climate change. It is a vast, confusing topic that will become very error prone if research that does not turn up the expected results and peer reviews that ask probing questions are eliminated from the system. So far as I can see, it is just not clear what is going on with climate right now, and I don't think we need an Inquisition.O'Leary
November 21, 2009
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"You just have to think of the right nightmare, publicize it, politicize it, turn it into curriculum, and sooner or later people will gladly hand you loads of moola with tears in their eyes.” lol, nice. Reminds me of a similar situation. "But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages." He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it." John 12:4-6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2012:4-6&version=NIVtragic mishap
November 21, 2009
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Follow the money [and power!]. I believe if you follow those, you will find that the owners [or influentials] of mainstream media are ultimately those that benefit most from global warming by either gaining money and/or power over the people. Here's the question I think everyone should ask. How did global warming hysteria get so popular so fast? ... Think about that with the idea of why we are spending $100Billion+ chasing shadows of international terrorists, when in fact more people have died in car crahses last year than all terrorists acts in the states combined for the life of our nation. How much money was spent on stopping car crashes last year in comparison? Great and noble acts are VERY very rare in government. I now hold the view that government feigns noble causes. Bush, for exmaple, was not pursuing a cause because he was noble...but rather because that is what his advisers - ultimately the international financiers, oil elite and military industrial complex wanted. I mean that literally. Conspiracy is very real in our world and we need to come to grips with that. The mafia is a vast conspiracy...is it kooky to expect that is the apex and end of elaborate conspiracies? Health Care reform is another example. This is just a way to socialise and destroy the Republic we have known as America. Not do what's right for the people. What's right for the people is let them live free in a true republic... not enslave them to ever growing governemnt institutions under the banner of "fairness". Health Care is not a right, it's a service...sorry..starting to get worked up. :DJGuy
November 21, 2009
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This is correct. But I am not hearing anything about Climategate from the bankrupt communist mainstream media though.Frost122585
November 21, 2009
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If it were a hoax, it was extremely elaborate and time consuming. Typing out 160MB of text isn't a what I would expect of a prank. There would also have likely required many to be involved. Unless the 160MB includes more than text. Comparing to the emails in the universities servers should confirm it...if they can be recovered.JGuy
November 21, 2009
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The director of Britain's leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.
Link to the emails.JGuy
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