A lot of people are getting right what Dawkins got wrong

it makes all the difference in the world to me whether my years and of those that I care about are “marked by pain, suffering, joy or contentment.”

Why does anyone care? More specifically why does anyone care about others? WHY jerry

Does a meaningful world require doubt? If everything pointed one way, how would people act? If it pointed to blind chance, would it have led to chaos and non existence a long time ago? Why would anyone act other than for their temporary enjoyment/pleasure? If it was clearly obvious there was a God with a designed purpose would we all become automatons? Would we ever be able to express free will or would we just do what this creator said to do? Meyer lays out the evidence. We have the free will and the logic to respond to this evidence. But yet the default position for most of society is atheism, indifference or tokenism at best. WHY this resistance to the obvious? Does the best of all possible worlds require doubt? jerry

"[...] some unknown number of years in which it makes zero difference whether those years are marked by pain, suffering, joy or contentment. After that …. an eternity of …. nothingness." I think Dawkins/Darwin is solidly refuted by the arguments of Behe, Axe & Gauger, and heck, even Haldane. But nothing in the above-quoted statement does anything to refute Darwin, Dawkins, or any kind of atheism. If anyone out there, on any side of this fence, thinks the quoted statement proves anything, then would that person please immediately send me all your money? I will use it to make my life significantly more enjoyable, and it won't matter to you at all when you're dead. Right? Hello? DarelRex

CD @ 1, >"...it makes all the difference in the world to me..." Of course it would be no fun at all to have a life with significant amounts of pain or sadness, and I don't want anyone to have that. But you are aware that once we die, our memories of our pleasure/pain and that of others', is no more. I.e., once we're dead, it ceases to matter to us because there is no "us" any longer (from a materialist perspective). My question is "Are you aware of this fact moment-by-moment?" When you see joy or pain in those you care about, do you always and immediately remind yourself that, after you are dead, all your memories of them are lost? And when they die, that all their memories of pain and pleasure are lost? Are you _continually_ aware of this, or do you try to put it out of your head as much as possible? EDTA

nobody has anything to look forward to other than living some unknown number of years in which it makes zero difference whether those years are marked by pain, suffering, joy or contentment. After that …. an eternity of …. nothingness.

This is such a stupid, insulting and dehumanizing statement. Despite rejecting Christianity, it makes all the difference in the world to me whether my years and of those that I care about are "marked by pain, suffering, joy or contentment." And, of course, if someone tries to tell you they know what happens "after that," well I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn..... chuckdarwin