A Polish MP says Darwinian natural selection means anti-Semitic pogroms benefited Jewish people

Oh well. It is possible that Pater Kimbridge hit the Post Comment key without reading the OP. Not a recommended practice. It should serve as a caution about "natural selection" that it can be used - quite sincerely, we suspect, in the case identified in the OP - to demonstrate anything, even the alleged social benefit of anti-Semitism. News

Astute observations are not insults. I treat Eddie with all due respect. :razz: ET

Poor Darwinist doesn't even understand what he is talking about: >"...Janusz Korwin-Mikke said last week that pogroms against Jews had been of benefit to the Jewish people since through it winnowed out the weak in Jewish society through natural selection." That would be _artificial_ selection, and it had nothing to do with which Jews were weakest in any sense of the word. They were just rounded up and shipped to the death camps en masse. If anything, the most threatening, strong and independent-thinking would have been most feared by the Nazis. EDTA

@18 Ed George Darwinism IS an insult to humanity. And when you are confronted with its undeniable truths,you get angry and hurt. I did not insult anyone. - We are related to monkeys. - Reality is complex. - Materialism is dogmatic and illogical. - The Universe requires an explanation. Count on me if you prefer. But being a meat puppet with no free will is hard. My fingers typed it without permission. Truthfreedom

Hitler found a meaning to his life. And Mao Zedong. And Pol Pot. And Stalin. Each brain chemistry is different, 'nature' does not care one way or the other. Bad and good are hominid hallucinations. It's fermions and bosons doing their dance, baby. No winners, no losers. Just dance. Truthfreedom

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...then do not count with me.

Trust me, I won’t. I prefer to count on people who can string a logical sentence together without an insult (eg AaronS1978). You and Joe simply don’t qualify. Ed George

@16 Ed George If someone needs to believe in Universes that create themselves for *NO* reason because thinking you are some monkey's cousin is good enough for you and reality is complex (why bother), while you cling to a self-refuting and illogical philosophy as materialism is to comfort yourself... then do not count with me. Truthfreedom

Looks like little Eddie got butthurt. And in his desperation erected a strawman to attack. Then Eddie reassures us that little minds are quite content with their local context. Bravo ET

If someone needs to believe in a mythical being to convince themselves that their is some meaning and purpose to their life, then go for it if it makes you happy. I guess I am just one of those lucky ones who has no problem bringing meaning and purpose to my life. Ed George

Ed George claims that,

Darwinism does not promote anything. That would be like claiming that physics promotes nuclear weapons, or microbiology promotes germ warfare, or chemistry promotes the use of Sarin gas.

But alas Darwinism, as a atheistic theory of origins that falsely claims to be the supposed unquestionable 'scientific explanation' for every facet of human behavior, the theory certainly has implications that go far beyond its scope as a supposed inert 'scientific theory' and has definitely been used to promote an amoral atheistic worldview that has had horrid consequences for societies at large. Karl Marx, for whom 'Marxism' itself is named. was deeply influenced by Darwin. He stated to Engles, "“This (Origin of Species) is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view.”

Darwin on Marx – by Richard William Nelson | Apr 18, 2010 Excerpt: Marx and Engels immediately recognized the significance of Darwin’s theory. Within weeks of the publication of The Origin of Species in November 1859, Engels wrote to Marx – “Darwin, by the way, whom I’m reading just now, is absolutely splendid. There was one aspect of teleology that had yet to be demolished, and that has now been done…. One does, of course, have to put up with the crude English method.” Marx wrote back to Engels on December 19, 1860 – “This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view.” The Origin of Species became the natural cause basis for Marx’s emerging class struggle movement. In a letter to comrade Ferdinand Lassalle, on January 16, 1861, Marx wrote – “Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history.” Marx inscribed “sincere admirer” in Darwin’s copy of Marx’s first volume of Das Kapital in 1867. The importance of the theory of evolution for Communism was critical. In Das Kapital, Marx wrote – “Darwin has interested us in the history of Nature’s Technology, i.e., in the formation of the organs of plants and animals, which organs serve as instruments of production for sustaining life. Does not the history of the productive organs of man, of organs that are the material basis of all social organisation, deserve equal attention?” To acknowledge Darwin’s influence, Marx asked to dedicate Das Kapital to Darwin. https://www.darwinthenandnow.com/2010/04/darwin-on-marx/

In fact, Lenin kept a little statue of an ape staring at a human skull on his desk. The ape was sitting on a pile of books which included Darwin’s book, “Origin”.

“V.I. Lenin, creator of the Soviet totalitarian state, kept a little statue on his desk—an ape sitting on a pile of books including mine [The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle of Life], gazing at a human skull. And Mao Zedong, butcher of the tens of millions of his own countrymen, who regarded the German ‘Darwinismus’ writings as the foundation of Chinese ‘scientific socialism.’ This disciple mandated my works as reading material for the indoctrination phase of his lethal Great Leap Forward.” Nickell John Romjue, I, Charles Darwin, p. 45 https://thunderontheright.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/hitler-lenin-stalin-mao-and-darwin/

Here is a picture of what the little statue on Lenin’s desk looked like:

Hugo Rheinhold’s Monkey https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y8HpKyHOL._SL1009_.jpg

Stalin likewise, while at ecclesiastical school of all places, was also heavily influenced by Darwinism,

Stalin’s Brutal Faith Excerpt: At a very early age, while still a pupil in the ecclesiastical school, Comrade Stalin developed a critical mind and revolutionary sentiments. He began to read Darwin and became an atheist. G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin’s, relates: “I began to speak of God, Joseph heard me out, and after a moment’s silence, said: “‘You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. . . .’ “I was astonished at these words, I had never heard anything like it before. “‘How can you say such things, Soso?’ I exclaimed. “‘I’ll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense,’ Joseph said. “‘What book is that?’ I enquired. “‘Darwin. You must read it,’ Joseph impressed on me” 1 1 E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12. ,,, http://www.icr.org/article/stalins-brutal-faith/

Chairman Mao was also deeply influenced by Darwinian ‘morality’:

Darwin’s impact—the bloodstained legacy of evolution Excerpt: Chairman Mao is known to have regarded Darwin and his disciple Huxley as his two favourite authors. https://creation.com/deconstructing-darwin-darwins-impact Darwin and Mao: The Influence of Evolutionary Thought on Modern China – 2/13/2013 https://nonnobis.weebly.com/blog/darwin-and-mao-the-influence-of-evolutionary-thought-on-modern-china

Adolph Hitler himself stated, "“The law of selection exists in the world, and the stronger and healthier has received from nature the right to live. Woe to anyone who is weak, who does not stand his ground! He may not expect help from anyone.”

“The law of selection exists in the world, and the stronger and healthier has received from nature the right to live. Woe to anyone who is weak, who does not stand his ground! He may not expect help from anyone.” – Adolf Hitler “Any crossing of two beings not at exactly the same level produces a medium between the level of the two parents . . . Consequently, it will later succumb in the struggle against the higher level. Such mating is contrary to the will of Nature for a higher breeding of all life . . . The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he after all is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development of organic living beings would be unthinkable.” – Adolf Hitler – Mein Kampf

Atheists have fought tooth and nail against the claim from Christians, and from many others, that Darwinian ideology played a foundational role in the Nazi's racism. Yet historian Richard Weikart has thoroughly documented how Darwinian ideology was a core precept within the Nazi's racism:

From Darwin to Hitler – lecture video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_5EwYpLD6A In his book, From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany (2004), Richard Weikart explains the revolutionary impact Darwinism had on ethics and morality. Darwinism played a key role in the rise not only of eugenics (a movement wanting to control human reproduction to improve the human species), but also on euthanasia, infanticide, abortion, and racial extermination. This was especially important in Germany, since Hitler built his view of ethics on Darwinian principles. The Role Of Darwinism In Nazi Racial Thought – Richard Weikart – October 2013 Excerpt: The historical evidence is overwhelming that human evolution was an integral part of Nazi racial ideology. http://www.csustan.edu/history/faculty/weikart/darwinism-in-nazi-racial-thought.pdf

The unmitigated horror visited upon mankind by Stalin, Mao, and Hitler is hard to exaggerate and even harder to imagine the sheer scope of it,

Chairman MAO: Genocide Master (Black Book of Communism) “…Many scholars and commentators have referenced my total of 174,000,000 for the democide (genocide and mass murder) of the last century. I’m now trying to get word out that I’ve had to make a major revision in my total due to two books. I’m now convinced that Stalin exceeded Hitler in monstrous evil, and Mao beat out Stalin….” http://wadias.in/site/arzan/blog/chairman-mao-genocide-master/

Of course, since Ed George is an atheist who apparently could care less for the truth, Ed will still try to say that belief in Darwinism did not force Stalin, Mao, and Hitler to commit the atrocities that they committed. But be that as it may be, Darwinism certainly did not prevent these men from slaughtering people wholesale. Contrary to any excuses that Ed George may want to provide for his Darwinian atheism, ideas most definitely have consequences. As Viktor E. Frankl stated, "I am absolutely convinced that the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Maidanek were ultimately prepared not in some Ministry or other in Berlin, but rather at the desks and in the lecture halls of nihilistic scientists and philosophers."

"If we present man with a concept of man which is not true, we may well corrupt him. When we present him as an automation of reflexes, as a mind-machine, as a bundle of instincts, as a pawn of drives and reactions, as a mere product of instincts, heredity, and environment, we feed the despair to which man is, in any case, already prone. I became acquainted with the last stages of corruption in my second concentration camp in Auschwitz. The gas chambers of Auschwitz were the ultimate consequence of the theory that man is nothing but the product of heredity and environment—or, as the Nazis liked to say, of ‘Blood and Soil.’ I am absolutely convinced that the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Maidanek were ultimately prepared not in some Ministry or other in Berlin, but rather at the desks and in the lecture halls of nihilistic scientists and philosophers. —Viktor E. Frankl, Holocaust survivor and Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, University of Vienna Medical School; from his book, The Doctor and the Soul: Introduction to Logotherapy, 1982, p. xxi).

Likewise as Aleksander Solzhenitsyn stated, "The failings of human consciousness, deprived of its divine dimension, have been a determining factor in all the major crimes of this century.",,,

"More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened. Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened. What is more, the events of the Russian Revolution can only be understood now, at the end of the century, against the background of what has since occurred in the rest of the world. What emerges here is a process of universal significance. And if I were called upon to identify briefly the principal trait of the entire twentieth century, here too, I would be unable to find anything more precise and pithy than to repeat once again: Men have forgotten God. The failings of human consciousness, deprived of its divine dimension, have been a determining factor in all the major crimes of this century.",,, Aleksander Solzhenitsyn - “Men Have Forgotten God” – The Templeton Address - 1983

How anyone can possibly desire, as Ed George does, that some form of atheistic socialism and/or communism should hold sway over American society, I have no idea. Considering everything that has happened to mankind in the 20th century in regards to socialism and/or communism, such a notion of America being dominated by socialism and/or communism, should make any sane person recoil in horror. But alas, apparently sanity itself is of little value to Ed George. May America never forget, as Russia did, God.

Psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.

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@11 ET:

Survival of the fittest. There isn’t any God worth having, ie atheism. No ultimate foundation for ethics exists. No free will. No ultimate purpose exists Those parts in italics come from Will Provine.

Nicely put. -Just a correction: temporary survival for NO reason. No goal. No purpose. Nothing matters and stuff happens. Truthfreedom

JVL:

Nicely put.

And obviously wrong. ET

Darwinism does not promote anything.

Survival of the fittest. There isn't any God worth having, ie atheism. No ultimate foundation for ethics exists. No free will. No ultimate purpose exists Those parts in italics come from Will Provine ET

Ed George, 7: Agreed. Nicely put. JVL

AaronS1978, not a problem. We all let our demons get a hold of us on occasion. Ed George

Nope just mad at pk and took it to the other extreme AaronS1978

AaronS1978

I’m just curious because no part of this is propagating anti-Semitism.

I agree. This post is not suggesting that UD is supporting anti-Semitism.

It is the exact opposite and is showing that Darwinism promotes it.

Now you are making a similar false accusation that you accused PK of making. Darwinism does not promote anything. That would be like claiming that physics promotes nuclear weapons, or microbiology promotes germ warfare, or chemistry promotes the use of Sarin gas. Ed George

@5 AaronS1978: Pater Kimbridge does not understand the things he reads. Truthfreedom

Pater Kimbridge Are you insane? I’m just curious because no part of this is propagating anti-Semitism It is the exact opposite and is showing that Darwinism promotes it There are hundreds of posts about this! Exactly that’s making the claim that Darwinism promotes this type of crap This is an example of it Where do get off say UD is promoting it. Are you trying to be the first one to post so you can create a narrative to make it look like we’re trying to do that because that’s called slander Creating a false narrative so you could save your Darwinian evolution from looking like the monster that it really is AaronS1978

And by the way, what does it mean being a 'woman' today? And a 'man'? What if the polish MP says he feels 'like a girl'? Fluid and all that. No one has the right to discriminate! Truthfreedom

Hitler was a pious darwinist. He understood what the evolutionist doctrine entails. Truthfreedom

Saying that UD is propagating antisemitism is a new low for Pater Kimbridge. ET

Propagating antisemitism. A new low for UD. Tisk, tisk. Pater Kimbridge