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Are Some of Our Opponents in the Grip of a “Domineering Parasitical Ideology”?

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[It] is now obvious that the root is we are dealing with a domineering parasitical ideology in the course of destroying its host; through its inherent undermining of responsible rational freedom, the foundation of a sound life of the mind. Immediately, science, science education, the media and policy are being eaten out from within.

KF

Indeed.  The immediate context of KF’s observation is the seeming inability of the Darwinists to understand plain English over the past few days.  Allow me to establish some context.  In a post over at his Sandwalk blog Larry Moran quoted me when I wrote:

For years Darwinists touted “junk DNA” as not just any evidence but powerful, practically irrefutable evidence for the Darwinian hypothesis. ID proponents disagreed and argued that the evidence would ultimately demonstrate function.  Not only did both hypotheses make testable predictions, the Darwinist prediction turned out to be false and the ID prediction turned out to be confirmed.

He then wrote:

But, as most Sandwalk readers know, nobody predicted junk DNA, certainly not Darwinists.

I then provided quotations from two famous Darwinists (Collins and Coyne) using the very word “prediction”:

Darwin’s theory predicts that mutations that do not affect function, (namely, those located in “junk DNA” ) will accumulate steadily over time. Mutations in the coding region of genes, however, are expected to be observed less frequently, and only a rare such event will provide a selective advantage and be retained during the evolutionary process.  That is exactly what is observed.

 

From this we can make a prediction. We expect to find, in the genomes of many species, silenced, or ‘dead,’ genes: genes that once were useful but re no longer intact or expressed.

I also linked to Casey Luskin’s excellent article an ENV showing several more such statements.  There cannot be the slightest doubt that many famous Darwinists said the theory predicts junk DNA.

“But those statements cannot possibly be predictions, because they came after junk DNA was discovered,” the Darwinists shout.  One in particular (lutesuite) has started beating a drum calling for a retraction of my claim.  We have two choices here:

  1. Agree with Moran and lutesuite. But this would require us to believe Collins and Coyne are too stupid to understand what the word “prediction” means.
  1. Disagree with Moran and lutesuite. This would require us to believe that Collins and Coyne were using the word “prediction” in a different sense than “to forecast in advance.”

I vote for (2).  Is there a sense of the word “prediction” that means something other than “to forecast in advance”?  It turns out there is.  Collins and Coyne are not stupid.  Instead, they are engaging in the commonplace act of using the term “prediction” in the sense of “retrodiction” or “postdiction”.  What is that?  Wikipedia explains:

Retrodiction (or postdiction . . .) is the act of making a “prediction” about the past.

My dictionary agrees.

There you have it.  The mystery is solved.  Collins and Coyne are not so stupid that they don’t know the meaning of the word “prediction.”  Moran and lutesuite are simply wrong when they suggest they are.  A prediction does not have to be temporally prior to that which is predicted if the word is used in the sense of a retrodiction.

What does all of this have to do with KF’s observation?  Everything.  Sadly, both Moran and lutesuite are hosting a domineering parasitical ideology that is undermining their responsible rational freedom and destroying their capacity to think clearly.

Consider this.  It really is the case that for Moran and lutesuite to be correct, it must also be the case that two of the most famous scientists in the world are so staggeringly stupid that they don’t know what the word “predict” means.  I do not always agree with Collins and Coyne, but it really is a little much for Moran and lutesuite to imply they are imbeciles.

The only rational conclusion is that Moran and lutesuite are wrong, and not only are they wrong, they are wrong about a very simple matter that would take only two seconds of rational thought to sort out.

But two seconds is a long time, and rational thought is hard when one is in the grip of a domineering parasitical ideology.

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Moran, You claim that the modern evolutionary theory has changed since natural selection believed to be the driving force of evolution and now the random genetic drift is one, if not the main, driving forces of evolution? Answer yes or no only!!!J-Mac
November 11, 2015
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Larry Moran owes Mr Arrington an apology but you know that is never gonna happen. Larry Moran will carry on like the black Knight and the Moranites will keep acting as apologists for their hero Larry Moran instead of admitting that he should apologize to Mr Arrington.Jack Jones
November 11, 2015
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@Jack Jones There are many different versions of "Darwinism." Jerry Coyne's version is not typical for someone who accepts the importance of random genetic drift and Neutral Theory, which Jerry does, albeit reluctantly. That's why it's important to establish a definition before starting a discussion. I documented Barry Arrington's definition of "Darwinism" in my first post in response to his challenge. Answering Barry Arrington's challenge: Darwinism Let me know what part of that post you disagree with. The point is important because Barry said,
Having studied Darwinism for over 20 years, I can tell you what it posits. Therefore, when I attack it, I am attacking the actual thing, not some distortion of the thing that exists nowhere but my own mind.
If you want to quibble with Barry about his definition and how it conflicts with Jerry Coyne's, then be my guest. I'm betting you won't do that.Larry Moran
November 11, 2015
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Larry quotes Collins:
I have been troubled for a long time about the way in which we dismissed about 95% of the genome as being junk because we didn’t know what its function was.
He is saying: "We," i.e., Collins and others, dismissed 95% of the genome as junk. And you use this as evidence that Collins never thought 95% of the genome was junk. God help us. "Barry, if you think two quotations . . ." You have not addressed any of the quotations in Luskin's article. Finally, let's get this back into context. I said "Darwinists touted 'junk DNA.'" If more than one Darwinist used junk DNA as evidence for Darwinism, that statement is true. More than one Darwinist did in fact do that. Therefore, you were wrong when you said the statement was false.Barry Arrington
November 11, 2015
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F/N: Ohno's Junk DNA paper, 1972: http://www.junkdna.com/ohno.html KFkairosfocus
November 11, 2015
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LM, Kindly cf 44 ff: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/are-some-of-our-opponents-in-the-grip-of-a-domineering-parasitical-ideology/#comment-587412 Also, 29 ff https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/are-some-of-our-opponents-in-the-grip-of-a-domineering-parasitical-ideology/#comment-587385 KFkairosfocus
November 11, 2015
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Jerry Coyne vs Larry Moran. Jerry Coyne article, Darwinism must die, blog why evolution is true. “Darwinism” is a compact, four-syllable term for “modern evolutionary theory,” which is ten syllables long." Larry Moran Sandwalk, article Pwned by lawyers (not) " It's clear that he doesn't understand modern evolutionary theory, which he thinks is called "Darwinism." Won't the real theory of evolution, Please stand up?Jack Jones
November 11, 2015
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LS, you are patently scientifically literate. So, you must know that it is a routine usage to say Hyp-X predicts observations o1,o2, o3 . . . Oj . . . On, where those up to Oj are in fact retrodictions in the sense of explanations. That is, on X we expect such, and more of same. This opens up empirical testing for the hyp. That is, there is a serious argument that the difference between a covering explanation and a prediction is, the latter have not yet been observed. Which is where testing counts. Also, X predicts Oi is a reasonable phrasing for, on X we expect oi, and this opens up differential expectations if HYP-Y does not predict oi but something different. What has happened and is now conceded by Collins, is that the presumed observations and expectations fell apart. As BA just clipped:
It is good to know that even Collins admits this: Earlier this year he confessed that his use of the term “junk DNA” was wrong, even hubristic. At the 33rd Annual J.P. Morgan Healthcare Conference in San Francisco on January 13, 2015 he said: I would say, in terms of junk DNA, we don’t use that term any more ’cause I think it was pretty much a case of hubris to imagine that we could dispense with any part of the genome as if we knew enough to say it wasn’t functional. There will be parts of the genome that are just, you know, random collections of repeats, like Alu’s, but most of the genome that we used to think was there for spacer turns out to be doing stuff and most of that stuff is about regulation and that’s where the epigenome gets involved, and is teaching us a lot.
KFkairosfocus
November 11, 2015
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Barry Arrington says,
Larry @ 17. Now you are just being childish and stupid. Do you really mean to suggest that the Darwinists do not retrodict about Darwinism?
It's really hard to respond to your questions without lowering myself to your nit-picky level. "Darwinists" (whoever they are) will make retrodictions about observations/facts according to their view of "Darwinism" (whatever that is). In the case of junk DNA, most "Darwinists" (i.e. adaptationists who emphasize the power of natural selection) retrodicted that most of the excess DNA in our genome would have a function. Here's how Francis Collins put it in 2003 ...
“Junk” DNA may not be junk after all. I have been troubled for a long time about the way in which we dismissed about 95% of the genome as being junk because we didn’t know what its function was. We did not think it had one because we had not discovered one yet. I found it quite gratifying to discover that when you have the whole genome in front of you, it is pretty clear that a lot of the stuff we call “junk” has the fingerprints of being a DNA sequence that is actually doing something, at least, judging by the way evolution has treated it. So I think we should probably remove the term “junk” from the genome. At least most of it looks like it may very well have some kind of function.
But one example does not make a story. What we're interested in is whether the typical "Darwinist" is/was happy with the concept of lots of junk DNA in the human genome. I think that the opinion of people like Britten and Kohne (1969) represent the dominant opinion of "Darwinists." Britten, R., and Kohne, D. (1968) Repeated Sequences in DNA. Science, 161:529-540. [PDF]
A concept that is repugnant to us is that about half of the DNA of higher organisms is trivial or permanently inert (on an evolutionary timescale.
That's certainly the impression I had back then about Darwinism and junk DNA. I think Doolittle and Sapienza (1980) describe the dominant paradigm quite well when they proposed the idea of selfish genes to account for excess DNA. Most "Darwinists" back then were skeptical about junk DNA. Doolittle, W.F., and Sapienza, C. (1980) Selfsh genes, the phenotype paradigm and genome evolution. Nature 284:601-603. [PDF]
Although we may view genes and DNA as essentially 'selfish' most of us are, nevertheless, wedded to what we will call here the 'phenotype paradigm'—the notion that the major and perhaps the only way in which a gene ensues its own perpetuation is by ensuring the perpetuation of the organism it inhabits .... The phenotype paradigm underlies attempts to explain genome structure. There is a hierarchy of types or explanations we use in efforts to rationalize, in neo-darwinian terms, DNA sequences which do not code for protein.... When all attempts to assign to a given sequence or class of DNA functions of immediate phenotypic benefit to the organism fail, we resort to evolutionary explanations. The DNA is there because it facilitates genetic rearrangements which increase evolutionary versatility (and hence long-term phenotypic benefit 12,13,14,15,16,17), or because it is a repository from which new functional sequences can be recruited 18,19, or, at worst, because it is the yet-to-be discarded by-product of past chromosomal rearrangements of evolutionary significance 9,19.
What they're saying is that the dominant paradigm based on Neo-Darwinism is to reject the idea of junk DNA and look for rationalizations that predict function. They go on to explain that many of these Darwinist rationalizations are just-so stories and a new kind of explanation is needed. Barry, if you think two quotations prove your point then you have to concede that my three quotations prove my point; therefore, I win. Of course, that's silly. What we should be interested in is the big picture—whether my view of the history is more accurate than yours. Is it more accurate to say that, in general, Darwinists predicted junk DNA or is it more accurate to say Darwinists were skeptical of junk DNA? Let's stop playing "gotcha" and discuss the important things.Larry Moran
November 11, 2015
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lutesuite, care to take a run at my question to GUN at 38?
Sure:
I said Darwinists predicted (in the sense of postdiction) junk DNA.
I believe that is what is known in these parts as "revisionist history." When exactly did you say that? Any chance you might answer Larry's questions n #6?lutesuite
November 11, 2015
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So first Darwinists were stupid not to predict junk DNA,
Sure. In the same way Newton was stupid not to predict general relativity.
...then after it was found they corrected their error of ommission and confirmed that Darwinism predicts junk DNA.
Again, we have yet to see that demonstrated. I mean, Barry thinks he has. But you know Barry.
And now it is found not to be junk DNA, it simply means Darwinism is wrong, or back to the drawingboard.
Umm, except that hasn't been found. The evidence still supports the position that most of the human genome, and that of many other species, is predominantly junk.
I think the default option Darwinists have is to say it is junk DNA after all. Because a mechanism to evaluate DNA in terms of what is junk and what is not junk to clean up DNA, that is very close to intelligent design already.
Someone has already explained to you how simple population genetics is more than adequate to explain how junk DNA can fail to accumulate in some species. What did you not understand about that?lutesuite
November 11, 2015
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"Yes. And if Larry meant “predict” to mean “predict”, then "Barry is unjustified in using examples of postdiction to accuse Larry of engaging in “revisionist history.” I’m glad you agree." NO, You as a Moranite should be telling Professor Moran that he should apologize to Mr Arrington and that he misunderstood Mr Arrington. Instead, Professor Moran is doubling down, so that you and his other Moranites can foam at the mouth at the echo chamber there.Jack Jones
November 11, 2015
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lutesuite, care to take a run at my question to GUN at 38?Barry Arrington
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F/N: head-exploding reading from 2009 http://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j23_3/j23_3_12-13.pdf -- notice the debate tactics used by the Darwinist. KFkairosfocus
November 11, 2015
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If Larry is not using the term (predict/prediction) in the same sense that Barry is, then his response is a non-sequitur. Plain and simple.
Yes. And if Larry meant "predict" to mean "predict", then Barry is unjustified in using examples of postdiction to accuse Larry of engaging in "revisionist history." I'm glad you agree.lutesuite
November 11, 2015
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@lutesuite "You have yet to provide a singe example of anyone, never mind a “Darwinist”, having predicted the existence of junk DNA before its existence was demonstrated experimentally." So first Darwinists were stupid not to predict junk DNA, then after it was found they corrected their error of ommission and confirmed that Darwinism predicts junk DNA. You are simply adding another insult to Darwinists by insisting they failed to predict junk DNA. And now it is found not to be junk DNA, it simply means Darwinism is wrong, or back to the drawingboard. I think the default option Darwinists have is to say it is junk DNA after all. Because a mechanism to evaluate DNA in terms of what is junk and what is not junk to clean up DNA, that is very close to intelligent design already. Or they can simply skip their abhorrent materialism / atheism, and simply hypothesize that freedom is real (gasp) and relevant (horror), and the DNA is chosen in an intelligent (shock) way.mohammadnursyamsu
November 11, 2015
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PPS: Let me slip back up to CD at no 2:
It was Dawkins who said in The Greatest Show on Earth, that “the greater part…of the genome might as well not be there, for all the difference it makes,” and that this fact is “useful for…embarrassing creationists.” And Dawkins is not alone in claiming that Junk DNA is abundant in our genome and exactly what evolution predicts. In recent years, many evolutionists have pointed to Junk DNA as major evidence for their beliefs. If you’re trying to claim, Lizzie, that evolutionists didn’t really believe in junk DNA after all then that is demonstrably false. Maybe we are the ones who know what “Darwinism” really is and you are the one who is mistaken about it!
The Internet era makes 1984 style new history just a tad hard to carry off. KFkairosfocus
November 11, 2015
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PS: This tells us about the state of play at that time, only four years past:
65 tjguyJuly 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm Chris said: “To dismiss *any* part of our DNA as “junk” is an argument from ignorance (or even an “evolution in the gaps” argument!) and it is made for purely non-scientific reasons. As “The Myth of Junk DNA” demonstrates, we have found function in ALL of the various categories of Junk DNA: including the so-called “pseudogenes”. And remember, research in the area of non-coding DNA has been restricted by the prevailing attitude that “it would be folly in such cases to hunt obsessively” for functions in it. So scientists should merely be saying: We don’t yet know what most of our DNA does. Will we keep investigating.” Excellent point Chris. And if anything, it seems the evidence lies on the side of function as opposed to junk. But the default position of the Darwinists is that it is junk because that fits best with their Darwinian hypothesis about the world.
KFkairosfocus
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F/N 2: Here is Chris Doyle at comment 7:
. . . The point about the myth of Junk DNA is that the majority of evolutionists still believe that most of our DNA is junk based on the fact that only 2% of our DNA codes for genes and only a similar percentage perform other functions. As Larry Moran says: “It’s true that there have been lots of examples of of novel functions for small pieces of the genome that were previously lumped into the junk DNA category. These dozens of functional parts of the genome may amount to as much as 1-2% of the genome (probably less).” You even say yourself that “I suspect that there are substantial parts of the genome that are, in fact, Junk (pseudo genes, for instance)!” To dismiss *any* part of our DNA as “junk” is an argument from ignorance (or even an “evolution in the gaps” argument!) and it is made for purely non-scientific reasons. As “The Myth of Junk DNA” demonstrates, we have found function in ALL of the various categories of Junk DNA: including the so-called “pseudogenes”. And remember, research in the area of non-coding DNA has been restricted by the prevailing attitude that “it would be folly in such cases to hunt obsessively” for functions in it. So scientists should merely be saying: We don’t yet know what most of our DNA does. Will we keep investigating.
The link for the cite from LM is http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2011/05/junk-jonathan-part-3-preface.html Tone warning KFkairosfocus
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F/N: From 2011, note the comment exchanges: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/review-the-myth-of-junk-dna/ KFkairosfocus
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lutesuite:
He’s making a big deal about Darwinists saying things about junk DNA after it was demonstrated to be a fact that junk DNA existed. I fail to see the significance of that. What else were they supposed to do? Shut their eyes and pretend junk DNA did not exist?
I don't see anyone discussing junk DNA at all. What I see is people claiming Larry is right and Barry is wrong about who said what when. If Larry is not using the term (predict/prediction) in the same sense that Barry is, then his response is a non-sequitur. Plain and simple. This is why terms matter. If you think they don't then you are at the wrong site.Mung
November 11, 2015
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BA, Dawkins, Collins et al were quite plain that junk DNA was a reasonable expectation on darwinist macroevolution in the broad sense. I note, predict is also used to mean, is expected on grounds of hyp-X in science, opening the way to empirical testing. Which has been backed away from, blind watchmaker macro evolution is fact fact fact and can never be wrong. In the case of Dawkins, over years it seems he repeatedly used the case of the human genome with 2% coding for proteins as a rhetorical case in point to buttress his blind watchmaker thesis. Then, as data came out from ENCODE etc, the great backtrack and 1984 style rewriting of the course of events began. The difference, is this has happened in the Internet and blog era, while a prolonged debate was in progress. I remember, 8 - 10 years ago, darwinists echoing Dawkins' point. I remember the backtracking as results came out. I remember the difference between crowing over only 2% is not junk and facing 25% is credibly directly involved, and perhaps 80% is already giving signs of functionality. I remember exchanges over types of varied functionality. So, when I see the sort of revisionism in defiance of basic truth as appears in this and other threads, I am drawn to the hard conclusion that something is deeply wrong at levels well beyond duelling interpretations of cites and what "predict" means. There is a firestorm in our civilisation that is already in progress, utterly out of control. It is time to wake up to what is really going on. There is a folk saying in Jamaica about the mouse, mus-mus. Fire deh pon mus-mus tail, but him think seh a cool breeze deh deh. Woe to those who confuse a firestorm blazing across our civilisation for a refreshing cool breeze! Whom the gods* would destroy, first they rob of reason. KF *read, devils.kairosfocus
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@ Mung (#32)
lutesuite:
I mean that Barry has not given a single example of a prediction that junk DNA would exist, which was made prior to the discovery of the existence of junk DNA.
So? This whole line of argument saying he ought to do so is a red herring. Apparently red herrings are the common offspring of the non-sequitur.
LM: But, as most Sandwalk readers know, nobody predicted junk DNA, certainly not Darwinists.
A non-sequitur.
So help me out here, because I'm not following Barry's thinking. He's making a big deal about Darwinists saying things about junk DNA after it was demonstrated to be a fact that junk DNA existed. I fail to see the significance of that. What else were they supposed to do? Shut their eyes and pretend junk DNA did not exist? I mean, I know that's what Barry and many others here prefer to do. But surely we should expect more of Francis Collins.lutesuite
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Part 4: I am also deeply concerned about the undermining of responsible freedom (no free will) and inherent amorality of evolutionary materialism (no ultimate foundation for ethics) that Provine highlighted. For this, let us note this is not the first time that this destructive ideology has surfaced in our civilisation. Plato, 2350 years ago in The Laws, Bk X, warned us in no uncertain terms:
Ath. . . .[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical "material" elements of the cosmos], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ --> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity] . . . . [Thus, they hold] that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-
[ --> Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT, leading to an effectively arbitrary foundation only for morality, ethics and law: accident of personal preference, the ebbs and flows of power politics, accidents of history and and the shifting sands of manipulated community opinion driven by "winds and waves of doctrine and the cunning craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming . . . " cf a video on Plato's parable of the cave; from the perspective of pondering who set up the manipulative shadow-shows, why.]
These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might,
[ --> Evolutionary materialism -- having no IS that can properly ground OUGHT -- leads to the promotion of amorality on which the only basis for "OUGHT" is seen to be might (and manipulation: might in "spin") . . . ]
and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [ --> Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality "naturally" leads to continual contentions and power struggles influenced by that amorality at the hands of ruthless power hungry nihilistic agendas], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is,to live in real dominion over others [ --> such amoral and/or nihilistic factions, if they gain power, "naturally" tend towards ruthless abuse and arbitrariness . . . they have not learned the habits nor accepted the principles of mutual respect, justice, fairness and keeping the civil peace of justice, so they will want to deceive, manipulate and crush -- as the consistent history of radical revolutions over the past 250 years so plainly shows again and again], and not in legal subjection to them.
This points straight to domineering, parasitical ideology that hijacks institutions and communities, hollowing out the responsible, rational freedom that is at the core of stabilising community against the forces of tyranny and anarchy . . . actually, anarchists inadvertently serve tyranny as the chaos that occurs triggers a snap back to tyranny to restore order and relative safety. We are playing with dangerous matches and a fire has begun to blaze that I don't know how we will be able to put out before horrific damage is done. But, one look at the likely cost tells us, we must try. And no, there is no right to demand pretence that all is well and we just have a few disagreements (never mind the habitual slanders, denigration and worse that we deal with from the same who so stridently object to open statement of unwelcome truth) when a firestorm is upon us. Which, it is. KFkairosfocus
November 11, 2015
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lutesuite, your argument appears to be with the dictionary. I can't help you with that. Your strategy -- "if I grit my teeth, close my eyes, stuff my fingers in my ears, get red in the face and stamp my feet, maybe no one will notice my argument is based on denying the existence of retrodiction" -- is working only in your own mind.Barry Arrington
November 11, 2015
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goodusername @ 27: You bring up a good point, so let's explore it. I said Darwinists predicted (in the sense of postdiction) junk DNA. Larry said I was wrong because no Darwinist predicted (in the sense of forecast of future event) junk DNA. Is Larry's response fair?Barry Arrington
November 11, 2015
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Barry in #26 writes:
Are you willing to stake your reputation that you understand evolution on your claim that no Darwinist ever predicted (in the sense of retrodicted) that the human genome is mostly junk?
Yeah, Larry. Why won't you admit that Collins predicted the existence of junk DNA, so long as we understand that the word "predicted" actually means: "Never predicted. Did something else other than predict."lutesuite
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Why do the critics rage against logic? It's like Zachriel spores all over the internet.Mung
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Larry, Francis Collins disagrees with you about junk DNA in the same way I disagree with you about junk DNA. Does that mean neither of us understands Darwinism?Barry Arrington
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Part 3, here I document how evolutionary materialism and its fellow travellers undermine rationality, warrant and knowledge, from Pearcey in her recent Finding Truth. But first, Provine as giving admission against interest:
Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent . . . . The first 4 implications are so obvious to modern naturalistic evolutionists that I will spend little time defending them. Human free will, however, is another matter. Even evolutionists have trouble swallowing that implication. I will argue that humans are locally determined systems that make choices. They have, however, no free will [--> without responsible freedom, mind, reason and morality alike disintegrate into grand delusion, hence self-referential incoherence and self-refutation. But that does not make such fallacies any less effective in the hands of clever manipulators] . . . [1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address, U of Tenn -- and yes, that is significant i/l/o the Scopes Trial, 1925]
Pearcey:
A major way to test a philosophy or worldview is to ask: Is it logically consistent? Internal contradictions are fatal to any worldview because contradictory statements are necessarily false. "This circle is square" is contradictory, so it has to be false. An especially damaging form of contradiction is self-referential absurdity -- which means a theory sets up a definition of truth that it itself fails to meet. Therefore it refutes itself . . . . An example of self-referential absurdity is a theory called evolutionary epistemology, a naturalistic approach that applies evolution to the process of knowing. The theory proposes that the human mind is a product of natural selection. The implication is that the ideas in our minds were selected for their survival value, not for their truth-value. But what if we apply that theory to itself? Then it, too, was selected for survival, not truth -- which discredits its own claim to truth. Evolutionary epistemology commits suicide. Astonishingly, many prominent thinkers have embraced the theory without detecting the logical contradiction. Philosopher John Gray writes, "If Darwin's theory of natural selection is true,... the human mind serves evolutionary success, not truth." What is the contradiction in that statement? Gray has essentially said, if Darwin's theory is true, then it "serves evolutionary success, not truth." In other words, if Darwin's theory is true, then it is not true. Self-referential absurdity is akin to the well-known liar's paradox: "This statement is a lie." If the statement is true, then (as it says) it is not true, but a lie. Another example comes from Francis Crick. In The Astonishing Hypothesis, he writes, "Our highly developed brains, after all, were not evolved under the pressure of discovering scientific truths but only to enable us to be clever enough to survive." But that means Crick's own theory is not a "scientific truth." Applied to itself, the theory commits suicide. Of course, the sheer pressure to survive is likely to produce some correct ideas. A zebra that thinks lions are friendly will not live long. But false ideas may be useful for survival. Evolutionists admit as much: Eric Baum says, "Sometimes you are more likely to survive and propagate if you believe a falsehood than if you believe the truth." Steven Pinker writes, "Our brains were shaped for fitness, not for truth. Sometimes the truth is adaptive, but sometimes it is not." The upshot is that survival is no guarantee of truth. If survival is the only standard, we can never know which ideas are true and which are adaptive but false. To make the dilemma even more puzzling, evolutionists tell us that natural selection has produced all sorts of false concepts in the human mind. Many evolutionary materialists maintain that free will is an illusion, consciousness is an illusion, even our sense of self is an illusion -- and that all these false ideas were selected for their survival value. So how can we know whether the theory of evolution itself is one of those false ideas? The theory undercuts itself. A few thinkers, to their credit, recognize the problem. Literary critic Leon Wieseltier writes, "If reason is a product of natural selection, then how much confidence can we have in a rational argument for natural selection? ... Evolutionary biology cannot invoke the power of reason even as it destroys it." On a similar note, philosopher Thomas Nagel asks, "Is the [evolutionary] hypothesis really compatible with the continued confidence in reason as a source of knowledge?" His answer is no: "I have to be able to believe ... that I follow the rules of logic because they are correct -- not merely because I am biologically programmed to do so." Hence, "insofar as the evolutionary hypothesis itself depends on reason, it would be self-undermining."
The time has come to put serious issues on the table and refuse to give destructive error a pass just because it piggybacks on the prestige of science while eating rationality out from within. KFkairosfocus
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