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Book Review: Slaughter of the Dissidents

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I just got through reading Slaughter of the Dissidents, and I must say, it is fantastic. I was a little skeptical at first, simply because the title of the book was so extreme. After reading it, I still think that the title is extreme (there are real slaughters of people happening in different parts of the world), but I can see why it was chosen – the extent to which Darwin skeptics are being persecuted in academic environments is simply astonishing.

The first chapter, “A Context for Discrimination Against Darwin Skeptics” deserves special recognition. Kevin Wirth, who authored it, did an excellent job providing a background and context for this book, especially for those not familiar with the debate or why it generates so much controversy. It almost deserved to be an entire book unto itself. It described why (a) Darwin skeptics are skeptical, (b) Darwinists are skeptical of the skeptics, (c) why ID’ers and Creationists are often lumped together in a single category, even when completely inappropriate to the context, (d) the relationship between the source, the justification, and the effects of ideas (and why it matters), and (e) the relationship that religion has with this whole debate.

Honestly, if someone who wasn’t familiar with the issues asked for a short introduction to the whole issue, I would recommend that they buy the book if only to read the first chapter. That would give a good background on what the disagreement is over and why it is so heated.

Chapter 3 was emotionally tough to read – page after page after page of people being denied from academia precisely because they are Darwin skeptics. Bergman suggests that it is precisely this discrimination which causes there to be so few Darwin skeptics in academia. It was gut-wrenching to see, page after page, a veritable catalogue of good students being denied access to academia.

We’ve all heard about Carolyn Crocker and Guillermo Gonzalez, and some may have heard of Raymond Damadian and Dean Kenyon. All of these people’s stories are detailed and documented. But those only scratch the surface of the problem described by Bergman. Board after board, committee after committee, and court decision after court decision have ruled that it’s okay to single out a single range of views (skepticism of Darwinism) from consideration. In the Bishop case, the court actually ruled that the school has the right to censor any personal opinions of professors that it wants to (including tenured professors). In case after case, it is admitted by all parties that the teaching was not coercive, and the discussion was appreciated by the students, and it represented a tiny fraction of class time. But, since it was against Darwinism, it was alright for it to be censored.

This isn’t just happening in private schools – it’s happening in public schools (high school and college) which use public money for their operation. There is clearly a widespread problem of viewpoint discrimination, which your tax dollars are funding.

The last chapter asks what we should do now. The two which seem most relevant to the average Darwin skeptic (or even non-skeptic who disagrees with the discrimination) is to simply make your voice heard – whether it is a letter to the editor or speaking out at a school board meeting or writing your senator – make your voice heard. If you are a student, check out the academic freedom policy of your institution, and see what the limits are. If you are a non-tenured faculty member, Bergman suggests that you keep your head down and write pseudonymously. I disagree – I think everyone needs to be counted on this issue, though I know that some simply cannot because of the potential personal cost. For tenured faculty, it is imperative that you take students and younger faculty members under your wing and leverage your influence to help them come through the process unscathed. If we all stood up together, who knows what might be accomplished?

The book is great for anyone who is interested in the debate. It is informative to know what lengths people and groups will go to in order to eliminate discussion of the alternatives to Darwinism.

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--- "nope. I want real, empirical examples, just like you were asking of me. aren’t you the ones who accuse Darwinists of just “imagining” things? You want empirical examples from us? We are not the ones making the extravagant claim that there is an evolutionary pathway to complex information. ----all we can say about the flagellum is that we don’t know the pathway yet." And your reason for believing that one exists at all is based on what exactly? Faith? What are the chances such a pathway exists if you cannot even "imagine" how it could be possible. Please!StephenB
January 7, 2009
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Patrick,
Oh, you mean I just need to merely calculate every single potential indirect stepwise pathway? How extremely generous of you
I hope you realize this is exactly what you are asking evolutionary biologists to do.Khan
January 7, 2009
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Surprise, surprise... The expected dodge and brush off. Instead, you want to focus on trivial examples again, ignore the difficult cases which do not involve one or a few amino acid jumps inside the same island (EDIT: island isn't the right word...mass of stepping stones?) of functionality which have never been denied by anyone (either logically or empirically), AND play more word games by redefining trivial away from the information-based context we're using it. Man, you're on a roll! ;)
if you can show empirically that it could have only evolved through multiple deleterious intermediate states, I (and the world) will tip my hat to you.
Oh, you mean I just need to merely calculate every single potential indirect stepwise pathway? How extremely generous of you... ;) Assuming we knew all the system rules of biology, which we don't, had written a realistic simulation of biology, which does not exist (yet), and I had access to a supercomputer I wonder if the total calculation time would even be within my lifetime? Which brings this article to mind. I wonder if that worked out?
while you call evolution of trichromatic vision trivial, I would say it confers some very serious fitness advantages to those that have it
In that context it certainly is non-trivial, and so is the HIV example that Smith highlights due to the devastating effect it has had (although obviously beneficial for the virus). But that's not what we're speaking of and I'm not sure why you think that referring to examples I'm already aware of would somehow persuade me? Perhaps you think the unwary lurker might find them impressive? If that's your belief I'd hope that these readers would take note of your dodge and the huge difference in the scope of the examples.Patrick
January 7, 2009
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--ID has its own well-funded research center and its own journal.-- I was not aware of that. --Nothing supporting ID has come out of the research center and the journal hasn’t published in 3 years.-- What is preventing them from pubishing?critter
January 7, 2009
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How about any biological object where even imagination fails to produce any plausible pathways? Pick your choice.
nope. I want real, empirical examples, just like you were asking of me. aren't you the ones who accuse Darwinists of just "imagining" things? all we can say about the flagellum is that we don't know the pathway yet. if you can show empirically that it could have only evolved through multiple deleterious intermediate states, I (and the world) will tip my hat to you. you would falsify evolution and go down in history. but as it stands, it's just something else we don't completely understand yet. while you call evolution of trichromatic vision trivial, I would say it confers some very serious fitness advantages to those that have it, and contributed greatly to speciation. it also illustrates that big phenotypic changes can occur through the buildup of small, slightly beneficial genetic changes. massive lateral gene transfer during organelle evolution is an example of more "complex" evolution, although when you break it down it appears to again be a fairly simple series of transfers and mutations. would you like to discuss these more and not the beaten-to-death imaginary pathways of flagellum evolution?Khan
January 7, 2009
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How about any biological object where even imagination fails to produce any plausible pathways? Pick your choice. The flagellum example has been around for quite a while, even before Behe and Dembski became interested in ID. Richard Thompson was recorded in 1976 discussing the bacterial flagellum and he asserted that it had to be the work of an intelligent designer: "...On the other hand, it's very reasonable to suppose that an intelligent designer can account for things like that. These protein structures that Svarupa Damodara was pointing out, it's not just any old structure, but it performs a very specific function within the cell, just like a little automatic machine of some kind. So we'd like to argue that the chance and molecular forces theory won't explain things like this, but to say that there is an intelligent designer would be a sensible explanation. " (Richard L. Thompson, on July 3rd, 1976, in Washington DC) The latest on this controversy is summarized here. It's amazing that it's been 32 years and all scientists, both ID proponents and Darwinists, are still researching the potential for one plausible scenario. First off, I'd like to qualify this discussion. For the flagellum, or any other biological object that purportedly arose via undirected processes, we need not know the "actual" pathway. It just needs to be demonstrated that there exists ANY plausible pathway. Also, any statements on information content will of course be estimates. (Plus, I'd like to note there's also the design hypothesis that we're "designed to evolve" and that the only design was the initial design of the structure of the genetic toolkit which in theory would allow for many plausible pathways to be reachable within reasonable timeframes, but for the purposes of this discussion I think we need to acknowledge that this assumption is unverified since it is shared by modern evolutionary theorists.) You might have access to better information than Bob Ohara, who ignored my direct challenge of "name the functional intermediates in the indirect pathway." (Of course, he did the same thing earlier when F2XL asked, "Give me what you think is a realistic pathway for an E. coli population to obtain a flagellum.") No details on mechanisms, relevant statistics, etc....he could have just made up a general story we could have analyzed. Instead, he got mired down in a misunderstanding of the basic ID concepts (the EF can take multiple inputs for a biological object [which also leads to the potential for GIGO] and the CSI calculations are based upon known data, but can be turned over by the finding of a plausible indirect pathway). Here is that recent conversation on UD where the hypothetical indirect pathway of the bacterial flagellum was discussed: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/chance-law-agency-or-other/#comment-289741 The end of this conversation puts the problem in perspective: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/chance-law-agency-or-other/#comment-290187 Other major points: https://uncommondescent.com/evolution/behes-multiple-mutations-needed-for-e-coli/#comment-290408 https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/chance-law-agency-or-other/#comment-289702 https://uncommondescent.com/philosophy/id-and-catholic-theology/#comment-212175 I'll add some off-the-cuff math as to ascertain the scope of the problem at hand. A typical protein is 300 amino acids long and this requires 1200 nucleotides in order to encode it. The total number of possible combinations in a 1200 series of nucleotides is 4^1200. So now we have a general search space. Last I checked, for the flagellum there was 17 unique proteins with no known homologs. And this information was obtained by BLASTing sequences with very generous settings. I'm already being very generous by only considering these 17, but let's assume a generous 50% structure similarity in the proteins that hypothetically preceded these 17 (although, as noted elsewhere, sequence similarity may not correspond to structure). So, unless someone wants to correct me, as a very rough estimate we'd need to account for 600 nucleotides, or 1200 informational bits, per protein. Now I know you're a fan of highlighting examples consisting of duplication events and only 2-3 amino acid changes and thus around 24 informational bit pathways. Thus, you're not used to considering non-trivial examples (on a side note some simple simulations based upon Genetic Algorithms I've looked at seem realistically limited to 160-200 informational bit pathways, so that puts these biological examples in perspective). So I don't expect you to sit here and elaborate the potentially long pathway point by point. Using any combination of hypothetical process and scenario you wish (point mutations, duplication, co-option, beneficial mutations with the same functionality retained, etc) I'm just hoping you could provide any hypothetical starting point. Assuming you're given the T3SS as a starting point, which is quite generous, can you point out any intermediates that'd serve a functional purpose within a hypothetical pre-E. coli in addition to the T3SS? These would of course need to be in reach of a reasonable number of neutral or beneficial mutations. And I realize that original functionality for a protein can be maintained with changes to some amino acids, but you (or anyone else for that matter) may not know the exact boundary where this functionality will be lost and/or become deleterious. So, do you have a hypothesis?Patrick
January 7, 2009
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yes. do you have any worked-out examples to share?Khan
January 7, 2009
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Are you claiming that if any biological objects exists where the only existing feasible pathways are "only v long pathways w only a few neutral or beneficial steps" then evolutionary theory cannot account for the biological object?Patrick
January 7, 2009
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Please tell me what the expectations if ID are, and I'll be glad to help. If it's only v long pathways w only a few neutral or beneficial steps, I can't help you bc evolutionary theory doesn't predict that either. Classical Darwinian theory predicts that evolution will occur by the accumulation of beneficial mutations, so the pathway you propose in another post w mostly deleterious mutations would be just the opposite. each step in the pathway would be selected against, so it would not proceed. THis is not ID, this is evolutionary theory, so I'm kind of wondering what your point is.Khan
January 7, 2009
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Care to bring up something not already discussed and that is not already within the expectations of ID? Here's a statement to discuss:
"...it stands to reason that any scenario of the code origin and evolution will remain vacuous if not combined with understanding of the origin of the coding principle itself and the translation system that embodies it. At the heart of this problem, is a dreary vicious circle: what would be the selective force behind the evolution of the extremely complex translation system before there were functional proteins? And, of course, there could be no proteins without a sufficiently effective translation system. A variety of hypotheses have been proposed in attempts to break the circle, but so far none of these seems to be sufficiently coherent or enjoys sufficient support to claim the status of a real theory."
Patrick
January 7, 2009
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Joseph Sure, here's one: Hypothesis: Novel genes will evolve through slight modifications of existing genes. Evidence: antifreeze genes in Antarctic fish arising from motif multiplication of a portion of an existing digesive enzyme gene trichromatic vision arising through duplication and modification of three aminto acids (each modification slightly beneficial in its own right) in an opsin gene. melanic coat coloration in some populations of pocket mice arising from a single mutation in a melanocortin receptor gene complex eyes arising from repeated expression of the Pax6 gene that controls the formation of simple eyes Care to counter w any similar ID findings?Khan
January 7, 2009
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Khan, Please use undirected processes in a testable hypothesis. Ya see nothing supporting undirected processes has come out of the research in 150 years since the publication of "On the Origin of Species..." And you guys have had federal funding for how long? Yet nothing. Nothing that would demonstrate that genetic changes can be linked to the physiological and anatomical differences observed. IOW Khan, you guys don't have any right to demand from ID what you cannot provide given that you have almost all the resources and far more funding sources.Joseph
January 7, 2009
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Kevinw, I read over the case studies that were on the web and I am not still not impressed. Even if they are as bad as you say, I ask you this in return: ID has its own well-funded research center and its own journal. Nothing supporting ID has come out of the research center and the journal hasn't published in 3 years. can you really argue this is bc of oppression?Khan
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I'd also like to add a personal note. My interest in biology stems from my interest in nanotechnology. Hearing of such abuses in academia (not specific to Darwinism/ID, but the political crap in general) from friends made me decide years ago to pursue an engineering career instead of other options. But now having become an ID proponent I'm fairly glad I did not directly pursue my interest in biology. (Although in the future I think that the fields will overlap even more, not just limited to biomimetics, once understanding of biology becomes fundamental to programming machines and designing structures, materials, etc.) Heck, even the US K-12 system is heavily politicized. I have a friend who worked at a major defense company for over 20 years who decided to become a teacher about 2 years ago. Perhaps it's just the local system that is messed up but he gave up. Similarly, a cousin of mine grew fed up with being a science teacher. I have several other K-12 and college professor friends and I just shake my head when I think of their horror stories. I have an interest in teaching myself but I hold back...who wants to subject themselves to such nonsense on purpose? And people in the US wonder why we have trouble finding good teachers...Patrick
January 6, 2009
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To Kahn, You said: "these hardly seem like horror stories worthy of the over-the-top title." Hmmmm. Your instincts are good: "I haven’t read the book so don’t know all the details." You should listen to that inner voice of caution. I would offer you the following comments: 1) go visit the SOD web site (www.slaughterofthedissidents.com), where you will find a link at the top to a growing "Case Study" page documenting what happened to some "Expellees." If you go there, you will notice that we rate the cases as mild, moderate, or severe. Of course there are always going to be instances where there wasn't a great deal of harm done. Logic dictates that just because some cases are mild doesn't mean they all are. It would have been pretty insane to write a book hyping up the trivial. Please give us some credit here. 2) Many people have reported to us that they have to stop reading the book because what we report grieves them so much that they can hardly bear it. 3) If you visit the SOD home page, you will see a commnet from David Coppedge who says "I thought your title was a little extreme until I read the book." 4) This type of discrimination typically manifests itself in degrees, beginning with name calling and escalating into much more serious events. I identify this scale of 5 increasingly brutal forms of discrimination on pages 75-76 5) Finally, this assumption that the discrimination couldn't really be all THAT bad is something Jerry and I anticipated long before we even published this book. We expect that a lot of folks simply wouldn't be prepared for the depth and visciousness of the treatment meted out to many Darwin skeptics. For that reason, I titled the book SOD to make the point: It really IS that bad in many instances. This is something we really DO need to pay attention to. This isn't just a violation of basic civil rights, it's often a brutal attack on the identity of the victim. Many of the victims suffer the loss of not just their current jobs, but their entire career as well because not only do educators get denied tenure, students get denied degrees, and scientists get kicked out of whatever institution they are working for, but they get HOUNDED long afterwards. The persecutors often want more than your blood, they want to blackball you so that you can't get a job teaching ANYwhere in academia, they want to attach letters to your transcripts and write nasty letters of recommendation to follow you wherever you may go so you can't accepted into another degree program, and they want to make sure everyone knows how incompetent you are so you can't do labwork anywhere else. If you don't have tenure, they'll deny it to you even if you are CLEARLY heads and shoulders above most others in your field, and even though you've met all other tenure requirements. If you HAVE tenure, they just move your office to the basement, reassign you to ridiculous courses (and take away the ones you've taught for years), and make sure you don't get any raises to speak of. They make you suffer financially, they bring on tremendous amounts of stress into your life, which creates emotional turmoil that trickles down into your relationship with your spouse and kids, often resulting in the breakup of marriages. You are treated with disrespect, get abused with foul language and name-calling, are subjected to continual harassment, and generally have your reputation ruined. Basically, you often lose favor with not only your colleagues, but also the administration. And that's just for starters. It pretty much sucks, big time. So, believe me when I say that the title of the book fits.kevinw
January 5, 2009
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So it would be worthwhile to have a laundry list of cases where people were squelched for expressing anti Darwinist attitudes or opinions. And it should be referenced here on this site so that when anyone like Bob O’H makes these claims again, there is ready documentation.
While that's a good idea in principle in practice the repercussions are not worth it (in my opinion). The problem is, out of the people I know or have heard about, if many of these people were publicly highlighted it would just make their situation worse. Then again, it could be argued that by making a large outcry eventually the persecution would be stopped. But I'm fairly dubious about that being possible at this time. Also, my comments do not apply to those who themselves want their situations to be publicly known. That would make a good list.Patrick
January 5, 2009
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JohnnyB, thanks for the book review. There were two things that disappointed me about the movie "Expelled...", one was the lack of a scientific case (being primarily limited to some intriguing graphics of the inside of the cell) and the other was the lack of examples of people being expelled. The 4 or 5 that they discussed did not make a compelling case that the problem was huge. I, like others here, believe that a good cataloging of "martyrs" is called for.bFast
January 5, 2009
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I've been reading the book myself lately. I had to stop. I just couldn't stand seeing case after case of people being emotionally tortured, humiliated and flogged by schools, courts and so-called colleagues merely for stating (even off work time!) that they had doubts on Darwinism. Darwinists like those involved and the courts involved make me sick. So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave. It was a great dream while it lasted. If this is any harbinger of the future better plan on leaving the Union of Soviet Socialist Darwinist Republic of the United States sooner than later. What's next? An America Goulag? This makes me think that when the US secular humanist controlled government started telling God to leave, he had already done so on his on. America and the West are doomed if this kind of repression isn't stopped. If this suppression and persecution, in the name of Darwin, are not halted America will itself become the new "axis of evil".Borne
January 5, 2009
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"Slaughter of the Dissidents" is not so far-fetched once theism is attributed to mental disease via Dawkinsian Darwinism, then mental disease is further attributed to genetics via evolutionary psychology. After psychoactive drug therapy fails, the only viable solution becomes eugenics - first negative, then progressing onto positive.angryoldfatman
January 5, 2009
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from the Amazon review (full disclosure, I haven't read the book so don't know all the details), these hardly seem like horror stories worthy of the over-the-top title. - a pro-ID student got a bad rec letter from one of his professors -a professor said some silly things about rescinding the degrees of creationist graduates (his suggestions were not implemented) -a professor who tried to teach his doubts on the chemical origin of life got yelled at by his chair the worst is probably that a professor proposing "teach the controversy" got some death threats. so did Judge Jones. does this really amount to a "slaughter"?Khan
January 5, 2009
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Johnnyb, Thanks for bringing this book to our attention. You probably are aware of this, but your comments on the title make me think perhap you are not: the title is obviously a take-off on the "Slaughter of the Innocents", the common name given for Herod's massacre of children in Bethlehem.Granville Sewell
January 5, 2009
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One of the claims by Darwinists was that the censoring of anti Darwin opinion was a crock. When Bob O'H used to roam the halls here, he would say it was nonsense and asked for examples. Carolyn Crocker was an adjunct so hardly a big deal. Guillermo Gonzalez did not do recent research and did not bring in grant money nor develop grad students so his tenure denial was also not politically based. Richard Sternberg never did lose his job so what is the big deal. They would ask you to name the cases where someone was fired because of their Darwinist beliefs or openly censored. So it would be worthwhile to have a laundry list of cases where people were squelched for expressing anti Darwinist attitudes or opinions. And it should be referenced here on this site so that when anyone like Bob O'H makes these claims again, there is ready documentation. In seems to be a shame that we need a cadre of sacrificial lambs in order to state the obvious.jerry
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