Claim: The blueprint for life generated in asteroids

_{Denyse O'Leary

April 27, 2022

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Using new analyses, scientists have just found the last two of the five informational units of DNA and RNA that had yet to be discovered in samples from meteorites. While it is unlikely that DNA could be formed in a meteorite, this discovery demonstrates that these genetic parts are available for delivery and could have contributed to the development of the instructional molecules on early Earth. The discovery, by an international team with NASA researchers, gives more evidence that chemical reactions in asteroids can make some of life’s ingredients, which could have been delivered to ancient Earth by meteorite impacts or perhaps the infall of dust.
News, “Could the Blueprint for Life Have Been Generated in Asteroids?” at NASA (April 26, 2022)

“Could have contributed to” … okay, keep talking.

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Sandy: they still keep in school books “evidences for evolution ” refuted 100 years ago. Is this criminality or not? Um, what particular 'evidences' are you thinking of? Haekel's drawings? (I may have spelled his name incorrectly.) I'm not saying school textbooks are perfect or even up-to-date. The real science is to be found in the scholarly publications.JVL_{April 29, 2022
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Good Little JVL, Now Sev's Personal Butte-Kisser, evidently. ;) Andrewasauber_{April 29, 2022
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When Dawkins ,Crick &co. tell you that appearence of design in living thing is an illusion and you should resist to this temptation of believing that :) you should realize it's about the ideology of atheism not about science. I think majority of atheists commenting here know that but just ignore the reality . Unfortunately their arguments are false and everyone know that. PS: they still keep in school books "evidences for evolution " refuted 100 years ago. Is this criminality or not?Sandy_{April 29, 2022
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Martin_r: PS: so if this is not a Darwinian brainwashing, why Darwinians always choose such titles ? I have no idea but pretty clearly there wouldn't be so many different articles from different times about different discoveries if the puzzle had been solved. As Seversky has pointed out, the actual content of the articles is always very, very qualified. If you choose to only respond to the titles then have you really understood the science behind the articles? Are you just having a moan 'cause you think there's some conspiracy to pull one over on the clearly stupid general public who just believe what they're told? Do you really have so little faith in the general public? They can be 'brainwashed' with the titles of academic articles in journals they never read or even know exist?JVL_{April 29, 2022
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Do engineers have something better to offer?
"No one has a clue." Or how about "We don't know how!" They would surely be accepted by editors of articles and textbooks. Regards to brainwashing - why do so many believe something that is obviously not true? Of course the current term is "gaslighting." . Part of this gaslighting is to conflate creationism with ID. One will rarely see the distinction between the two in published articles.jerry_{April 29, 2022
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Good Little Sev. Always running cover for the dYSfunKShunnel status quo. Andrewasauber_{April 29, 2022
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The researchers generally do not get to choose the titles of articles or press releases. If you read the text you'll find the claims are almost always qualified with "may Have" or "could have". Hernando published his book in 2018 and, despite the extravagant claims of the blurb, it doesn't seem to have taken the field of OOL research by storm, exactly. Do engineers have something better to offer?Seversky_{April 29, 2022
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JVL @35 you would not have picked that title, would you have picked these ones ? (a quick google search, took me few minutes): Science.org (2015) "Researchers may have solved origin-of-life conundrum" https://www.science.org/content/article/researchers-may-have-solved-origin-life-conundrum or this one, from NASA again (2019): "NASA Study Reproduces Origins of Life on Ocean Floor" https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/863/nasa-study-reproduces-origins-of-life-on-ocean-floor/ or this one (2019) "Researchers Solve Puzzle of Origin of Life on Earth" https://scitechdaily.com/researchers-solve-puzzle-of-origin-of-life-on-earth/ or this one at NBCNEWS (2015) "Researchers May Have Solved 'Missing Link' Mystery in Origin of Life" https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/researchers-may-have-solved-missing-link-mystery-origin-life-n371891 or this one sounds great (2019) "The Origin of Life May Not Be as Coincidental as Scientists Once Thought" https://www.insidescience.org/news/origin-life-may-not-be-coincidental-scientists-once-thought or this one The origin of life: The conditions that sparked life on Earth https://researchoutreach.org/articles/origin-life-conditions-sparked-life-earth/ or even a whole book! (2018) Emergent Chemical Evolution: The Origin of Life Solved https://www.amazon.com/Emergent-Chemical-Evolution-Origin-Solved/dp/198539846X PS: so if this is not a Darwinian brainwashing, why Darwinians always choose such titles ?martin_r_{April 29, 2022
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Martin_r: If this isn’t brainwashing then i don’t know what is … Forgetting about the title for the moment (not one I would have picked) is there anything in the actual article that could be compared to 'brainwashing'? Also, the article is open access and anyone can read it for themselves and decide if what it says makes sense. In my mind brainwashing works when you limit access to information and discussions and stifle alternate points of view. That's not happening in this case.JVL_{April 29, 2022
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JVL, Seversky and Co. Darwinists do not brainwashing and misleading lay people ? REALLY ? So let's have a look at some DARWINIAN articles: ScienceDaily.com (FEBRUARY 2022) "How life came to Earth" https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/02/220210125828.htm HOW LIFE CAME TO EARTH ????? HOW LIFE CAME TO EARTH ????? HOW LIFE CAME TO EARTH ????? If this isn't brainwashing then i don't know what is ... Should I continue ?martin_r_{April 29, 2022
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Using new analyses, scientists have just found the last two of the five informational units of DNA and RNA that had yet to be discovered in samples from meteorites. The last two, Fred.ET_{April 28, 2022
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:) This is irrelevant. Some people don't understand what a code means. Asteroids don't change the fact that codes don't emerge randomnly. Wherever you see a code there is a mind around , even you don't see it.Lieutenant Commander Data_{April 28, 2022
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I see the NASA blurb just reports that cytosine and thymine molecules have been found in an asteroid sample.Fred Hickson_{April 28, 2022
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Jerry writes:
My observation of Seversky is that he almost never commits to anything. It’s more “No one knows” and where’s the information an intelligence did it? It more to irk then to take a position. Also it’s rare he answers a question from an ID commentator. So I was surprised when he challenged a comment made to him.
Pots and kettles, motes and beams.Fred Hickson_{April 28, 2022
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Jerry writes:
Now if only the anti ID people would advocate for the “I don’t know” answer or “ Have we ever said we think the OOL question has been answered or is close to being answered” in textbooks. We have them on record here.
Citations, Jerry, citations.Fred Hickson_{April 28, 2022
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Silver Asiatic: The floor is all yours, JVL. Perhaps instead of misinterpreting what I said (which had nothing to do with you personally at all), you’ll just share your views. Help us to get to know you better. If you don’t identify with the critique given (again, which is against an ideology and not you personally), feel free to explain why it doesn’t. Also, we shouldn’t have to work to extract this from you. It’s an open forum and here’s your chance to explain your views. I have expressed my views openly and honestly. And I will do again. Just ask me a question directly. Can you see and admit the problem with this? Okay. Let's just be clear and straight then shall we? If you want to know my or Seversky's opinion on something then you will ask about it directly. No guessing or assuming, yes?JVL_{April 28, 2022
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Asauber: We had an exchange once where you wouldn’t answer my question because I broke in the middle of a conversation you were having with someone else. It’s weird to me that you would deny this. Restate the question and give me a chance to answer it. On your terms.JVL_{April 28, 2022
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My observation of Seversky is that he almost never commits to anything. It’s more “No one knows” and where’s the information an intelligence did it? It more to irk then to take a position. Also it’s rare he answers a question from an ID commentator. So I was surprised when he challenged a comment made to him.jerry_{April 28, 2022
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JVL
When you get done with your nit picking why not get to know us.
The floor is all yours, JVL. Perhaps instead of misinterpreting what I said (which had nothing to do with you personally at all), you'll just share your views. Help us to get to know you better. If you don't identify with the critique given (again, which is against an ideology and not you personally), feel free to explain why it doesn't. Also, we shouldn't have to work to extract this from you. It's an open forum and here's your chance to explain your views.
Fine. Treat us that way then.
You seem upset about something. Could you explain what it is? Why did you not accept my statement that the critique is not directed at you?
Sometimes you do traipse into knee-jerk territory although, I think, you don’t really think that way.
You're saying something about me personally here. Maybe re-focus to the topic at hand, and away from the personalities?
I’m just asking you to make sure your post reflect the better angels of your nature.
Let's keep in mind that you jumped in on a comment I was making to Seversky and acted like I was responding to you. When I explained the problem with that you said it was "nit picking". But no, it's more than that because I didn't direct my comment to you at all. I said directly to Seversky that I was amazed by "his" comment. You then took it personally as against yourself. Can you see and admit the problem with this?Silver Asiatic_{April 28, 2022
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"My only ‘demand’ is that you don’t lump those you disagree with into some predefined camp where you assume what everyone you choose to put into that camp thinks." Not true, JVL, and you know it. We had an exchange once where you wouldn't answer my question because I broke in the middle of a conversation you were having with someone else. It's weird to me that you would deny this. Andrewasauber_{April 28, 2022
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Asauber: Based on your comments and responses, I don’t think it’s that simple. Sometimes you stonewall potential conversations by insisting that you get some of your own demands met first. My only 'demand' is that you don't lump those you disagree with into some predefined camp where you assume what everyone you choose to put into that camp thinks. Deal? I am happy to discuss the data and evidence. That I do not stonewall. Why you would say I do is weird.JVL_{April 28, 2022
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Silver Asiatic: Given you just lumped yourself in with Seversky as if the two of you are in lock-step, then your complaint that you aren’t being treated as individuals falls flat. When you get done with your nit picking why not get to know us. The target of the critique is the standard, atheistic story about OOL. It’s not directed at your own personal views. Fine. Treat us that way then. Sometimes you do traipse into knee-jerk territory although, I think, you don't really think that way. I'm just asking you to make sure your post reflect the better angels of your nature.JVL_{April 28, 2022
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From the Panda's Thumb post that Seversky linked to:
However, the experiment still supported a key idea: that the synthesis of these organic compounds did not require any kind of guiding hand, but would naturally emerge from unassisted chemical reactions. Furthermore, the authors of this paper argue that while it was not a good model of the _global_ atmosphere, it might still model local conditions in isolated areas.
Geoscientists today doubt that the primitive atmosphere had the highly reducing composition Miller used. However, the volcanic apparatus experiment suggests that, even if the overall atmosphere was not reducing, localized prebiotic synthesis could have been effective. Reduced gases and lightning associated with volcanic eruptions in hot spots or island arc-type systems could have been prevalent on the early Earth before extensive continents formed. In these volcanic plumes, HCN, aldehydes, and ketones may have been produced, which, after washing out of the atmosphere, could have become involved in the synthesis of organic molecules. Amino acids formed in volcanic island systems could have accumulated in tidal areas, where they could be polymerized by carbonyl sulfide, a simple volcanic gas that has been shown to form peptides under mild conditions.
So good work, Dr Miller!
When did we try to deceive people with the idea that OOL is almost solved? From the above:
localized prebiotic synthesis could have been effective could have become involved in the synthesis of organic molecules could have accumulated in tidal areas, where they could be polymerized localized prebiotic synthesis could have been effective
Actually, I'm not in favor of trying to settle past scores. If you guys want to affirm that OOL research is not close to solving the problem, of if you want to take (as against many materialists) the idea that "we don't know" - that's a step forward and should be accepted as such.Silver Asiatic_{April 28, 2022
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"If you want to know what I think you just have to ask." JVL, Based on your comments and responses, I don't think it's that simple. Sometimes you stonewall potential conversations by insisting that you get some of your own demands met first. Andrewasauber_{April 28, 2022
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JVL
Are you actually paying attention to what we, as individuals, are saying or are you just projecting all your ‘Darwinist’ tropes onto us?
Given you just lumped yourself in with Seversky as if the two of you are in lock-step, then your complaint that you aren't being treated as individuals falls flat. The target of the critique is the standard, atheistic story about OOL. It's not directed at your own personal views.Silver Asiatic_{April 28, 2022
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Seversky I don't have a copy of the book, but it detailed the M-U experiment. Why provide a failed test for students? Could it be that they were deceptively teaching that the experiment "brought us closer" to the origin of life? The fact is, they don't know if we're closer or farther. Here's an interesting comment from a guy called ... Seversky: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/david-coppedge-the-miller-urey-experiment-sparked-zombie-like-back-to-life/#comment-749285 He says:
the original experiment actually did better than expected
That sounds to me like "we're getting closer" - or at least, "closer than expected". That experiment is used as evidence to support OOL research. I consider that to be deceptive.Silver Asiatic_{April 28, 2022
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Silver Asiatic/15
They still use Miller-Urey in textbooks. I just read a new one with the same deceptive claims about “how close” to creating life that experiment was. BA77 probably has a huge database of OOL claims and “how close” we are, and how it’s “almost solved”. That’s a constant message.
Can you post the quote about Miller-Urey from that textbook? It would also be helpful if BA77 could provide a list of claims that the OOL issue is almost solved.Seversky_{April 28, 2022
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Silver Asiatic: That’s an amazing comment. You’ve been reading news items and excerpts from papers on this site for a long time. Did Seversky or I ever claim that we were close to answering the OoL question? I don't think so. Are you actually paying attention to what we, as individuals, are saying or are you just projecting all your 'Darwinist' tropes onto us? I'm happy to answer questions about my views and beliefs. If you want to know what I think you just have to ask. I know it's easier to make assumptions but, since you don't want us making assumptions about you, it would be nice if you treated us like individuals.JVL_{April 28, 2022
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They still use Miller-Urey in textbooks. I just read a new one with the same deceptive claims about "how close" to creating life that experiment was. BA77 probably has a huge database of OOL claims and "how close" we are, and how it's "almost solved". That's a constant message.Silver Asiatic_{April 28, 2022
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Seversky
How are we misleading people? Have we ever said we think the OOL question has been answered or is close to being answered?
That's an amazing comment. You've been reading news items and excerpts from papers on this site for a long time.Silver Asiatic_{April 28, 2022
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