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“Coming clean” about YEC?

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Jack Krebs at Panda’s Thumb claims that I have “come clean” as a young earth creationist. There are a couple of problems with his announcement: (1) It’s not true, and (2) there’s nothing in my words that he quoted to justify his claim.

Krebs seems to think that my recent statements clarifying my views represent either a compromise or a “retraction” of my earlier views. But that is false. It’s a matter of public record that I am an evangelical Christian. I have publicly defended the complete trustworthiness and inerrancy of Scripture; but my comments in The End of Christianity led some to believe otherwise. The purpose of my recent statement was to make it clear that I believe in biblical inerrancy.

As a matter of literary genre, I continue to think that the book of Genesis is not a science textbook. But I do think that the events referred to in the opening chapters of Genesis describe real events that took place in history (though God’s initial creation from nothing is, in a sense, the very initiation of history itself rather than “in” history). I am of the opinion that the days of Genesis 1 refer to God’s workweek rather than to six twenty-four hour days. I also know that orthodox Christians disagree on this question. That disagreement is not, however, a disagreement over the trustworthiness of Scripture, but rather, over its best interpretation.

Krebs seems to think that by saying that the creation events are historical I must be saying that God’s creation days are each twenty four hours long and took place sometime in the last few thousand years. I assume that more careful readers of my comments will not make the same mistake.

More importantly, and contrary to Krebs’ insinuation, nothing in my view of Scripture contradicts my belief that nature provides strong empirical evidence of intelligent design. As I have explained many times before, the design inference is not based on the Bible or any other sacred text. It is based on what can be logically ascertained from nature’s own data. Anyone who wants to understand my real views on intelligent design and its relationship to science should read The Design of Life (co-authored with Jonathan Wells) and also consult my peer-reviewed work at www.EvoInfo.org.

I might add that my views on Christian theology should be just as irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence I present for intelligent design as Richard Dawkins’ views on atheism are irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence he presents for Darwinism.

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I might add that my views on Christian theology should be just as irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence I present for intelligent design as Richard Dawkins’ views on atheism are irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence he presents for Darwinism. Indeed, well said! I assume that in the future we won't see any articles on Darwin's views on these matters here at Uncommon Descent? IMO, the way a scientists incorporates the geological evidence into a framework of a global flood says a lot about his approach to science in general.DiEb
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Dear Dr. Dembski, thank you for clarifying your positions: so, you think that the best interpretation of Genesis in light of the scientific evidence is that the world is old and that a global flood has happened?DiEb
October 22, 2010
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Desperation in Darwinland. Only 40% of American adults believe in the Modern Synthesis! Time to whip out the smear tactics before the polling gets any worse and the grants and tenure start melting away. (“I can’t believe I’m losing to that idiot!”) “Coming clean” about your faith? Good idea. Now everybody knows you’re the only honest man in the room. After all, why would the Krebster try to tar your science with your faith? There’s only one reason—your faith comes into conflict with his own. It’s like Democrat vs Republican. If you are, the other guy’s just got to be evil. Six-day creationist! In some circles, that’s almost worse than being a Nazi. Some people seem to think the kind of honesty seen here has to be suppressed. They fret that you can’t get a seat at the table if you don’t hide your light under a bushel and dissemble and smirk and shuffle your feet. Fortunately the time for catacombs is passing. Basic science, with no reference whatsoever to metaphysics, with no axe to grind and armed with nothing but inquisitiveness and boundless ambition, is in the process of overturning the reigning paradigm. We now know that Natural Selection is in fact quite unnatural. It was the one of the great anthropomorphisms of all time. People would be crazy not to see good design and beauty in nature. Darwin was one of those—think of his butterflies—and since he knew he would certainly choose the most beautiful ones if he were king of the world, he said to himself, “Hey—nature must have chosen them, too!” WRONG! Nature is nothing like Darwin. It has no way of knowing that butterflies are beautiful, even after they get that way. Faith is the only possible reason why bright guys like the Krebster find this so difficult to understand. There is no “methinks it is like a weasel” in nature, no target, no goal in mind, no will to order. And mindless nature has no way of “selecting” it when it finds its way into being. “The fool says in his heart there is no God.”allanius
October 22, 2010
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Why this obsession with YEC by ID critics? It is like the only criticism of ID that they got is to conflate it with a religious position.
That is correct. It is ALL they have. They desperately need to argue against YECs and nothing else. It is the softest target. Dembski is their greatest enemy and need to weaken him somehow. He has big ideas and is publishing them in peer-reviewed articles. This cannot be said for most if any folks in the other camp. I will ask ANY in that other camp reading this thread, what big ideas have ANY of you come up with in your careers. What significant impact are you making in your respective fields. Dembski is making an impact in BOTH theology AND information theory AND biology. Dembski, Marks, Meyer, et al are simply cruising right past you (pl) and what is your reaction?: YEC! Liar!, Destroyer of Science!. Dr. Dembski, keep up the good work I do hope you, Marks, Myer, etc will continue to publish peer-reviewed articles and keep up the scientific pressure on the opposition. They are in an extremely defensive position and I would like to see it kept that way. Let their taunts, ridicule and derision continue. While you are busy Minding your business, they'll just be left in the scientific dust.Oramus
October 22, 2010
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StephenB: "The man simply cannot [or will not] make the distinction between a motive and method." Isn't his inability (or disinclination) called "projection"?Ilion
October 22, 2010
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"I might add that my views on Christian theology should be just as irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence I present for intelligent design as Richard Dawkins’ views on atheism are irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence he presents for Darwinism." Except, of course, that DarwinDefenders, in general, are neither logical nor rational.Ilion
October 22, 2010
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Unlike some critics of Dr. Dembski, I actually read the book "The End Of Christianity". Though I may not agree with Dr. Dembski point-for-point on all things, I did not read into the text something that was not there, which I think what Krebs is trying to get away with. If anything, I thought Dr. Dembski was sympathetic to the YE view, but not because it is convincing (which many, including I, do not find it to be). Neither did I find Dr. Dembski making a defense of Old Earth Creationism. I think the point he was trying to make, is that there is a good case for biblical inerrancy, regardless of what creation faith one holds to, including faith in naturalism.Bantay
October 22, 2010
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If God DID take 6 literal days, my only question would be: Why did He take so long?Gods iPod
October 22, 2010
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Ok so Bill has always openly stated that he is a Christian. And Christianity does have a known link to the Bible. That has been public knowledge for quite some time. So what is wrong with these people that they are forced to comb through everything IDists say and write in order to try to dig something up on ID?
"Oh wow look I have never seen Dembski use the word inerrancy before so he must be a YEC."
Lunatic fringe...Joseph
October 22, 2010
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Just to save people time searching to see what the evos will say in response, I think I have captured it below:
Mr Dembski, Obviously you are lying. You have admitted that Intelligent Design is the same as Young Earth Creationism and now you are in damage control mode. The cat is out of the bag. We have you. We own you. You cannot run, you cannot hide. Your ridiculous attempt to try to stem the flow of blood is amusing. Did I say we have you? We do you know. Don't even think of ever testifying for ID- we own you. respectfully, the tards of evoville
Thank you, thank you very much...Joseph
October 22, 2010
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I have interacted with Jack Krebs many times. If there is one thing I have learned about him it is this: The man simply cannot [or will not] make the distinction between a motive and method. For Krebs, any Christian who accepts a Creator God cannot draw a legitimate inference to design because, as the story goes, the believer cannot separate his religion from his research and will always be smuggling his faith assumptions into his scientific conclusions.StephenB
October 22, 2010
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It looks like Krebs offered a clarification, and scratched the YEC part from his post.Aleta
October 22, 2010
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Why this obsession with YEC by ID critics? It is like the only criticism of ID that they got is to conflate it with a religious position. Dembski: “I might add that my views on Christian theology should be just as irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence I present for intelligent design as Richard Dawkins’ views on atheism are irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence he presents for Darwinism.” I sympathize with you, Dr. D. But unfortunately, there’s a double standard out there.john_a_designer
October 22, 2010
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Having faith -- even in a young Earth -- is not delusional. Having faith and not realizing it, OTOH, is extremely delusional. Those who think that biological complexity can be explained via random events and then further insist that such an explanation is definitive and absolute are delusional. Not only should they not be taken seriously, they MUST not be taken seriously.tribune7
October 22, 2010
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"I might add that my views on Christian theology should be just as irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence I present for intelligent design as Richard Dawkins’ views on atheism are irrelevant for evaluating the scientific evidence he presents for Darwinism." Well said. If all people who argue about Intelligent Design and Evolution would keep this straight, we'd have a lot more civil discourse and intelligent conversation. And I don't think that the main offenders are ID-ers.Collin
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