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Darwinist: “Space Station, Pile of Rocks” “Poe-TAE-ta, Poe-TAH-ta”

Barry Arrington
December 15, 2011
Intelligent Design
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lastyearon writes: 

Again, you are assuming that there is some fundamental difference between life and other arrangements of matter. Just because human beings belong to the category of the former, does not mean that anyone or anything intended it. And so it is not warranted to say that the complex functions that result in what we call life are ‘specified’

Let’s test this assertion by casting it in a different context.

Again, you are assuming that there is some fundamental difference between space exploration vehicles and other arrangements of matter. Just because the space station belongs to the category of the former, does not mean that anyone or anything intended it. And so it is not warranted to say that the complex functions that result in what we call “space station” are ‘specified’

You can’t make this stuff up folks.  I oughta sell tickets.

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So two planets were chatting. One said to the other, "hey, check out this planet over here. It has blobs on its surface that self-replicate. The things seem to be smart like us, making their own moons." The other planet said, "yeah like, so what?"Moose Dr
December 16, 2011
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Actually we start with something and try to determine what caused it to be (the way it is). And if something "looks" designed then we have to check into that possibility.Joe
December 16, 2011
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I don't think it looks like Barry is trying to make it look like lastyearon wrote it. He said he was going to cast it in a different context. It is pretty clear he is drawing a comparison to show that the logic doesn't work too well when not applied to life. The point is that the materialists live in some kind of alternate reality where they think all the design, programming, semiotics, logic circuits, information processing and so on can just arise for nothing because the molecules happen to be organic instead of inorganic.Eric Anderson
December 15, 2011
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So DrREC, by your defense of lastyearon I take it you agree with him that there is no "fundamental difference" between a human being and a pile of rocks. OK. We'll have to disagree.Barry Arrington
December 15, 2011
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I found the first quote here: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/of-pulsars-and-pauses/comment-page-1/#comment-412152 Is the second something lastyearon wrote, or that Barry Arrington is trying to make it look like he wrote by setting it into a quote box? "Space station belongs to the category of the former, does not mean that anyone or anything intended it" What a poor choice of analogy. In the case of the space station, we know it was intended, and in fact, I could find the SPECIFICATIONS that predate its design and assembly. Every attempt to calculate fsci I've seen here takes something in nature, and determines that is the specification specified by the specifier. You start with design, and go from there.DrREC
December 15, 2011
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Yet another case in which loyalty to the cause requires one to say some really silly stuff. One guy says it's nothing fundamentally different. Another guy spends millions of tax dollars trying to figure out how it got that way. Some other guy spends millions more looking for more of it. If life is fundamentally the same as everything else, then what exactly is fundamentally different from anything? What are the words "fundamentally different" for? The world just became a rather bleak, meaningless place. I could go to the park or stay home and watch TV. It's just matter blowing around like dust from a comet's tail. If I fall over dead and get buried, nothing is fundamentally different. See yourself that way if you want to. I'm pretty sure that I think, therefore I am.ScottAndrews2
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