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Darwin's DoubtKnock us over with a paper clip.

Over at Evolution News & Views, Casey Luskin asks, could Nick Matzke even possibly have read Steve Meyer’s Darwin’s Doubt before writing a long essay trashing it?:

Now, Darwin’s Doubt runs to 413 pages, excluding endnotes and bibliography. Neither the book’s publisher, HarperOne, nor its author sent Matzke a prepublication review copy. Did Matzke in fact read its 400+ pages and then write his 9400+ word response — roughly 30 double-spaced pages — in little more than a day?

Perhaps, but a more likely hypothesis is that he wrote the lion’s share of the review before the book was released based upon what he presumed it would say. A reviewer who did receive a prepublication copy, University of Pittsburgh physicist David Snoke, writes:

A caution: this is a tome that took me two weeks to go through in evening reading, and I am familiar with the field. Like the classic tome Gödel, Escher, Bach, it simply can’t be gone through quickly. I was struck that the week it was released, within one day of shipping, there were already hostile reviews up on Amazon. Simply impossible that they could have read this book in one night.

Even if Snoke is wrong, and Matzke possesses a preternatural capacity to read and write at blinding speed, Matzke in his haste has made some significant errors — of commission and omission — in his representation and assessment of Meyer’s work.

Matzke misrepresents what Meyer actually says, going so far as to attribute quotes and arguments to him that nowhere appear in the book. More.

So? Darwinists have a special exemption from dealing in the actual arguments against their position.

Thus, noviewing, at a level that would disgrace an academic in any other field, is their unquestioned right.

See also: Good and bad reasons for rejecting ID

Calling Nick Matzke’s bluff

Note: An earlier version of this post incorrectly identified P.Z. Myers. Apologies for inadvertent misinformation.

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The closest quote I can come up with after a few minutes of Googling is this: "Also from Jerry Coyne’s blog, someone posting under the name “Richard Dawkins” had this to say about Nick Matzke: Matzke is a liar. Richard Dawkins" It's intellectually dishonest to post that Richard Dawkins said something about Nick Matzke when it's obvious from the evidence that he probably never said it in the first place.Barb
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Ah, so Nick allegedly accused Dawkins of "playing the Nazi card", and Dawkins said that Nick was lying. hmmm. Not evidence I'd build a case on, myself.Elizabeth B Liddle
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Great, here we have Lizzie, who has not read the book, trying to defend a review of it.Joe
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Andre, That doesn't match Sal's quote.keiths
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Dawkins says Nick is a liar http://old.richarddawkins.net/comments/618257Andre
June 26, 2013
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Do you have a citation for that, Sal?Elizabeth B Liddle
June 26, 2013
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Nick Matzke is a deliberate, intentional, unrepentant liar. Richard Dawkins
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Seriously? Your true colors are showing: namely, defend the Darwinist cause regardless of the evidence. Did you even read the OP? Matzke read the entire book and wrote a huge rebuttal in one day?
I suspect he got hold of an embargoed copy.
Also he makes factual blunders, claiming Meyer said things that aren’t even in the book.
Not as far as I can see. The only such cases Luskin cites look like careless use of inverted commas (e.g. "poof- god did it"). And we only have Luskin's word for it anyway (presumably he has an electronically searchable edition), and I have as little trust in Luskin as you have in Matzke I've now read a lot of the book, and as far as I'm concerned, Matzke is guilty of no more than using scare quotes that could be misinterpreted as literal quotation where italics would be more appropriate (to indicate a precis rather than a quote). I'm not going to do a manual search for each phrase, but Matzke seems to me to have quoted the sense of what Meyer wrote on the occasions Luskin cites. For instance, Luskin makes great play with Matzke's sub-head:
THE “EXPLOSION” TOOK AT LEAST 30 MILLION YEARS, AND WAS NOT REALLY “INSTANTANEOUS” NOR PARTICULARLY “SUDDEN”
because the word "instanteous" as it appears in the book is actually within a quote by Gould, not Meyer himself. But this is nit-picking in the extreme. Matzke doesn't even "attribute" (my scare quotes) the words to Meyer, and if Meyer doesn't use those words exactly in His Own Write as it were (he may or may not), he unambiguously describes the Cambrian radiation as an explosive, geologically instantaneous (citing Gould) and sudden. It's the point of his whole book. Whereas Nick's point is that it wasn't particularly any of those things, which Meyer simply takes for granted. As for "poof, God did it" - I am absolutely sure that Nick did not intend, nor did his readers take, that to mean that Meyer wrote those words. It's a trope from Behe who did once say something similar. Also, Eric: "I have no reason for thinking" is not the same as "I do not think". I like evidence-based inferences, and from my own reading of the book, and of Matzke's review, I am very confident he read the book. Luskin may disagree with his review, but I do not think he is justified in his conclusion that Nick had not read it. My guess is that Matzke fairly recently got an advance copy from somewhere. Like those people who leaked that Dumbldore died.
There is a plenty of evidence Matzke didn’t read the whole book, or likely, even the majority of the book. Also, it appears he wrote much of his critique of the book before he had even received it.
What evidence? The only evidence I can see is that he got it up in one day. It shows signs of haste, certainly, but I suspect he had a couple of days.
Why is that difficult for you to acknowledge this? Why, instead of making a show of solidarity with someone like Matzke who has shown he has a real axe to grind, can’t you say something like: “While I may not agree with much of what Meyer says, I think it is inappropriate for someone to trash a book if they haven’t actually read it. I hope Nick actually read it thoroughly before posting his review. If not, shame on him.”
I would say that if I thought that Matzke had not read the book. I agree that it is inappropriate for someone to trash a book they have not read. But I have read half the book myself, and I agree with every one of Matzke's criticisms of the half that I have read. Luskin's take-down of Matzke reads like lawyer making the case for the defense. Which is perhaps not very surprising. But as far as I am concerned the jury is still out, and I find Matzke's case stronger. I might convict him of the lesser charge of pirating an advance copy, though. And of course not proofing properly, to which he has already pleaded guilty.Elizabeth B Liddle
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On another thread, I mentioned that Meyers dealt with the timing issue in detail of just when the Cambrian explosion took place. So to say that it took 30 million years meant that someone either did not read the book or willfully distorted the text. I am about 1/4 through the book mostly in nightly readings or during lunch and the book is mainly a detailed literature review of all the relevant areas within a framework of how the data does not support the Darwinian thesis. So far the book has been about the fossil record, genetics and homologies. Meyer mainly quotes current researchers in all the relevant fields but then discusses the logic or lack of logic and evidence for the Darwinian position. For example, James Valentine, the dean of Cambrian paleontology, wrote a book with others on the Cambrian this year and is widely quoted by Meyers.jerry
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Elizabeth Liddle:
And I have no reason for thinking that Matzke has not read Meyer’s book.
Seriously? Your true colors are showing: namely, defend the Darwinist cause regardless of the evidence. Did you even read the OP? Matzke read the entire book and wrote a huge rebuttal in one day? Also he makes factual blunders, claiming Meyer said things that aren't even in the book. There is a plenty of evidence Matzke didn't read the whole book, or likely, even the majority of the book. Also, it appears he wrote much of his critique of the book before he had even received it. Why is that difficult for you to acknowledge this? Why, instead of making a show of solidarity with someone like Matzke who has shown he has a real axe to grind, can't you say something like: "While I may not agree with much of what Meyer says, I think it is inappropriate for someone to trash a book if they haven't actually read it. I hope Nick actually read it thoroughly before posting his review. If not, shame on him."Eric Anderson
June 26, 2013
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Well, let's just ask him: Nick, did you read Darwin's Doubt before posting your essay? (a) The whole thing? (b) A chapter or two? (c) Just skimmed a couple of pages? (d) Not at all? Please answer and tell us which is it. Also, how much of your review did you write before you actually received the book?Eric Anderson
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From Denyse O'Leary: Ah, thanks for tip. We await results with interest.News
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Amazon has long been populated by trolls who will give five-star reviews to books they haven't read and vote up or down reviews they don't personally like, whether or not they've read the book.Barb
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The next evolutionary synthesis: Jonathan BL Bard (2011) Excerpt: We now know that there are at least 50 possible functions that DNA sequences can fulfill [8], that the networks for traits require many proteins and that they allow for considerable redundancy [9]. The reality is that the evolutionary synthesis says nothing about any of this; for all its claim of being grounded in DNA and mutation, it is actually a theory based on phenotypic traits. This is not to say that the evolutionary synthesis is wrong, but that it is inadequate – it is really only half a theory! http://www.biosignaling.com/content/pdf/1478-811X-9-30.pdf With a Startling Candor, Oxford Scientist Admits a Gaping Hole in Evolutionary Theory - November 2011 Excerpt: As of now, we have no good theory of how to read [genetic] networks, how to model them mathematically or how one network meshes with another; worse, we have no obvious experimental lines of investigation for studying these areas. There is a great deal for systems biology to do in order to produce a full explanation of how genotypes generate phenotypes,,, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/11/with_a_startling_candor_oxford052821.html Getting Over the Code Delusion: Biology’s Awakening - Stephen L. Talbott - 2012 Excerpt: Nucleosomes will sometimes move — or be moved (the distinction between actor and acted upon is obscured in the living cell) — rhythmically back and forth between alternative positions in order to enable multiple transcription passes over a gene. (…) The histone spool of nucleosomes, for example, is not some rigid thing. It would be far better to think of its “substance,” “surface,” “contact points,” and “physical interactions” as forms assumed by mutually interpenetrating forces in intricate and varied play. (…) The nucleosome is rather like a maestro directing the genetic orchestra, except that the direction is itself orchestrated by the surrounding cellular audience in conversation with the instrumentalists,, http://www.natureinstitute.org/txt/st/mqual/genome_4.htm
i.e. The honest Darwinian evolutionist admits that it can't be by the reductionists neo-Darwinian mechanism (modern synthesis) that life evolved, but he still knows it evolved somehow. How does the he know this? Well, you IDiots, because life evolved by some unknown Darwinian mechanism that's how we know it evolved! :)bornagain77
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@sagebrush gardener:
I expect better of you
Really??? Do you know his blog "Intelligent Reasoning"? I actually find Joe's bluntness refreshing.JWTruthInLove
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Denyse, I'm not much of an investigative journalist, but I think I can answer your question:
Still waiting on Myers. What … do you think? Jathink? Is it just possible Myers is READING it? Now you will only need a speck of dust to blow me over but wonders never do cease.
Have a look here!DiEb
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O'Leary
We could have much more interesting discussions of these issues if only more people would actually read what people like Meyer, Dembski, and Behe are saying. They might be wrong, of course, but Darwin’s men give me no cause for thinking so.
And I have no reason for thinking that Matzke has not read Meyer's book. Yes, it's long, but it's not hard going (nothing like "Godel, Escher, Bach"!), and the problems with it are glaringly evident, even to a non-phylogeneticist like me.Elizabeth B Liddle
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Denis Noble has produced an Answers page: Answers to try to deal with the questions following his lecture. For instance:
Does the article criticise Darwinism? No. Not really. In fact the main thrust of the article is a return to a less dogmatic view which is more in keeping with Darwin’s original ideas.
I'm a great admirer of Denis Noble, and have been for a long time.Elizabeth B Liddle
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From Denyse O'Leary: We could have much more interesting discussions of these issues if only more people would actually read what people like Meyer, Dembski, and Behe are saying. They might be wrong, of course, but Darwin's men give me no cause for thinking so.News
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OT:
"The genome is an 'organ of the cell', not its dictator" - Denis Nobel - President of the International Union of Physiological Sciences http://musicoflife.co.uk/ http://musicoflife.co.uk/images/Evolution.jpg
Of note: Denis Nobel will be giving an updated lecture, of his recent popular 'Rocking the foundations of biology' talk which he delivered in China, this coming July 22 in the UK: http://www.iups2013.org/ Rocking the foundations of biology - Denis Nobel - video http://www.voicesfromoxford.org/video/physiology-and-the-revolution-in-evolutionary-biology/184bornagain77
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From Denyse O'Leary: Yes, you are right, apologies and thanks. It is what comes of using keyboard shortcuts and other timesavers, a bad habit of mine. Fixed now. Still waiting on Myers. What ... do you think? Jathink? Is it just possible Myers is READING it? Now you will only need a speck of dust to blow me over but wonders never do cease. - d.News
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In Nick's defense, he's just doing whatever physics compels him to do.William J Murray
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Yes, to blatantly quote mine PZ Myers out of context
Yeah, I’m looking at you, Nick Matzke,,, sleazy.
“Matzke is a Liar” https://uncommondescent.com/culture/matzke-is-a-liar/#comment-378315 Nazis everywhere http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/04/22/nazis-everywhere/bornagain77
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Hmm, unfortunately your header is incorrect. You refer to P.Z. Myers in the title, but the content refers to Matzke. You possibly need to correct that - it was Matzke that Casey Luskin was referring to. I don't believe Myers has made an official response to it anywhere (yet). Lest They™ pour scorn on you for it. :-)jondo_w
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