DEVELOPING, the US Supreme Court reverses Roe v Wade (is it cry havoc?)

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June 24, 2022

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Having returned from a shopping trip to Junction, Jamaica [here for 4x bereavement reasons], I noticed news as captioned. I clip:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/24/supreme-court-overrules-roe-v-wade-in-dobbs/

Supreme Court Overrules Roe v. Wade in Dobbs Decision – Returns Abortion to State Lawmakers
WASHINGTON, DC – The Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade on Friday, holding in the Dobbs case that the Constitution does not include a right to abortion and returning the issue of abortion laws and regulations to state legislatures.
Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the Supreme Court in Friday’s ~~5-4~~ [–> 6-3] decision:
>>Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return the authority to the people and their elected representatives.>>
Roe was handed down in 1973 in a 7-2 decision, holding that the U.S. Constitution includes a constitutional right to abortion, despite the fact that abortion is not found in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution, and the nation went more than 180 years without ever noticing it existed. It has been one of the most divisive legal issues in American history.
An early draft of Alito’s opinion leaked in May, the first such leak of a full opinion in the 233-year history of the Supreme Court, leading the left to violent protests, including destroying a pro-life center in Wisconsin, vandalizing churches, and threatening protests at the home of conservatives justices in violation of federal law.
These threats have culminated in what was almost an assassination attempt of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, which went seemingly unnoticed by President Joe Biden – who did not speak out to condemn it – and has led to rapid action on a new federal law to protect the justices. The court majority evidently stood firm against the threats and public pressure, overruling Roe and the later revision of Roe in 1992, Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
With Roe overruled, the issue of abortion now goes back to the states to pass whatever restrictions on abortions the voters of each state choose to adopt.

This is an issue that pivots on life, the first right, and lurking within is, what is law and what may a civil authority legitimately rule as law. DEVELOPING

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Or perhaps just accept that not everyone falls into your black and white definition of gender or sexual attraction.JHolo_{June 25, 2022
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Watching you babble entertains me Literally both definitions I googled answer everything you are attempting to over complicate Please continue thoughAaronS1978_{June 25, 2022
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AaronS1978: But KF took the time to explain it to you again Does that mean, like Kairosfocus you failed to address all the documented genetic and developmental conditions which fall outside of your strict XY or XX categories? Does that mean you accept not being able to determine if literally millions of humans are male or female because they don't match your simplistic scenario? Does that mean that you will categorise everyone strictly based on their genetic profile even if they have no ability to create or bear children? Even if they have no womb or penis? Does that mean that you are unable to accept that the concept of an adult varies from time to time and culture to culture? Does that mean that you completely disregard any and all legal definitions of what an adult is? When do you think someone becomes an adult? At 18-years of age? Why? At 21? Why? At the onset of puberty? At the end of puberty? When they are capable of creating children? So when boys are . . . 10-years old and can produce sperm they are adults? Perhaps you'd like to consider dealing with the real world instead of just some idealised and simplistic model.JVL_{June 25, 2022
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Bill Maher, of all people, questions transgender ideology,,
New Rule: Along for the Pride | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBzfUj5zsg
of note:
What is a Woman? (2022) Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqBguWbia_o
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JVL Lol yes, uhm curious do you have reading comprehension problems? I mean my original post answered your attempted and failed word dance with out any need of further explanation But KF took the time to explain it to you againAaronS1978_{June 25, 2022
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Vividbleau: NO!!! All you do is ask questions and when you are asked a question all you do is ask more questions. You have not given me anything to compare and contrast . When you answer me I will reciprocate. Clearly i'm indicating that i think the answer depends on the cultural, legal, biological and emotional contexts. It should be easier for you to answer since you seem to think things are a lot more black and white. Oh, and before you answer make sure your answer addresses individuals with Klinefelter syndrome which means having XXY chromosomes, those with Jacobs syndrome which means having XYY chromosomes, those with XXYY chromosomes, those with Ovotesticular disorder of sex development, those with Turner syndrome which means only having one X or only one complete X chromosomes and a whole bunch of other documented and studied genetic and developmental conditions.JVL_{June 25, 2022
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VB: This idiot understands basic economics the cost for an abortion is minuscule compared to 18 months paid leave. Does your company give 18 months paid paternity leave to women who have an abortion?
No. But we do give them six weeks paid leave and cover the cost of counselling, if they want it. And our health coverage covers the cost of the pill, the morning after pill, and an IUD. AND $500 annual allowance that is intended for condoms but, admittedly, we have no idea if this is what it is actually used for.JHolo_{June 25, 2022
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JVL, we know, we know, anything but the substance. A woman is an adult female human being, ours being a species that uses the XY sex determination system. A young female, in English, is called a girl, and beyond that we speak of a baby girl. Destroying the life of a baby girl in the womb is destroying the life of one of our living posterity. In some countries this is done for sex selection purposes, cumulatively skewing population ratios. KFkairosfocus_{June 25, 2022
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JVL “Why don’t you give us your definition of ‘woman’ so we can compare and contrast”. NO!!! All you do is ask questions and when you are asked a question all you do is ask more questions. You have not given me anything to compare and contrast . When you answer me I will reciprocate. Vividvividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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AaronS1978: Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, So you think it's all about potential? So any XX chromosome human is a 'woman' even when they are 3-years old?JVL_{June 25, 2022
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I notice, the ongoing sidestepping of the core issue that Roe v Wade was in fact ill founded as a legal matter [a view shared apparently by Ms Ginzberg], and instead distractors such as ad hominems. Telling, in the end. KFkairosfocus_{June 25, 2022
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Vividbleau: More pretzels please, What is a young woman? What is an old woman? Would you call an 8-month old XX foetus in the womb a 'woman'? Would you allow an 11-year old human female to marry because she is a 'young woman'? My mother thought a female human became a 'woman' on the event of her first menstruation. Do you agree or disagree with that? Generally a 'woman' is an adult human female but 'adult' has different definitions depending on when and where you ask. This is big news!! Which cultures do not have women? The point is that legally woman, as opposed to 'girls' or 'children' have been defined differently in different cultures. The typical splitting point is the age of legal maturity. Why don't you give us your definition of 'woman' so we can compare and contrast.JVL_{June 25, 2022
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Oxford definition woman adult human female Oxford definition for female Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biology by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by make gametes Super easy Google searchAaronS1978_{June 25, 2022
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JVL “For instance: most people nowadays would not call a 12-year old girl a woman even if they have two X chromosomes” More pretzels please, What is a young woman? What is an old woman? What is a middle aged woman? “A cultural definition? Which culture? This is big news!! Which cultures do not have women? Vividvividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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Bornagain77: it turns out that answering the simple question of “What is a woman?” is an impossible task for the far left. It's interesting that you should pick the term 'woman' instead of 'female' as 'woman' already has some conditional and situational aspects. For instance: most people nowadays would not call a 12-year old girl a woman even if they have two X chromosomes. But the 'answer' would depend on when and where you asked the question. So, when you ask: what is a woman? it seems to me you need to specify your context. Are you asking for a legal definition? Which legal system? A cultural definition? Which culture? A biological definition? Which species? An emotional definition? Whose emotions?JVL_{June 25, 2022
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B77 “Well actually, because on their radical position on transgenderism, (which holds that anyone can be a woman simply by wanting to be a woman), it turns out that answering the simple question of “What is a woman?” is an impossible task for the far left.” Which has been repeatedly demonstrated on previous threads. It is funny to see these people get pretzel twisted. Honestly the left has embraced insanity and live in a make believe world.vividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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FH “What’s absurd is the political charade that masquerades as a hearing” Nice dodge. What’s absurd is your position that if she did answer the question she would not have been confirmed. Vividvividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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Vivid: "How about a SC Justice that does not know something as simple as what a women [sic] is!" Fred Hickson: "She learned from previous nominee hearings about not answering questions. " Well actually Fred, because on their radical position on transgenderism, (which holds that anyone can be a woman simply by wanting to be a woman), it turns out that answering the simple question of "What is a woman?" is an impossible task for the far left. Matt Walsh made an entire documentary out of asking that simple question, "What is a woman?" and watching the far left twist in the wind trying to answer it.
Matt Walsh Revisits His 'What Is A Woman' Interview With Dr. Forcier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdDB8wU73NA
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@ 89 That’s a two street but I’m sure you had no problem with Biden’s “I can’t define a female” nomineeAaronS1978_{June 25, 2022
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FH If you have a SC Justice that does not know what a woman is then how the heck will she be able to adjudicate on cases that affect women? Oh I forgot evidently it takes a biologist to know that. Vividvividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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Oh my you seem to be saying she did this because if she answered the question she would not have been confirmed? If so that’s absurd.
What's absurd is the political charade that masquerades as a hearing to assess a candidate's ability as a member of the US Supreme Court. Candidates should advance on ability, not via a political circus.Fred Hickson_{June 25, 2022
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“She learned from previous nominee hearings about not answering questions” Oh my you seem to be saying she did this because if she answered the question she would not have been confirmed? If so that’s absurd. Vividvividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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OMG ,ROTFL! You want to talk about a person who is unqualified? How about a SC Justice that does not know something as simple as what a women [sic] is!
She learned from previous nominee hearings about not answering questions. Kavanaugh and Barrett didn't lie out loud about their intention to overturn Roe vs Wade, they just didn't answer.Fred Hickson_{June 25, 2022
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Jholo “And before any idiot claims that we are doing this for a selfish profit based reason, we also offer 18 month fully paid paternal leave” This idiot understands basic economics the cost for an abortion is minuscule compared to 18 months paid leave. Does your company give 18 months paid paternity leave to women who have an abortion? Vividvividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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FH “And if you compare the qualifications of the appointee in waiting with those of Amy Coney Barrett it is starkly illustrative of Barrett’s illegitimate position.” OMG ,ROTFL! You want to talk about a person who is unqualified? How about a SC Justice that does not know something as simple as what a women is! Vividvividbleau_{June 25, 2022
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It amazes me that these crazy Christian nationalists waited quietly and peacefully for 50 years to make their insidious move but it only took the party of science and logic “DEMcrats” a minute to burst out into violent protests and assassination attempts on the justices that voted to overturn roe vs wadeAaronS1978_{June 25, 2022
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FH, >The creator designed that lust, desire, trust in women and deceit in men too, I guess. Why, I wonder. You haven't been paying any attention to anything we said here, have you? Do you really not know our explanation of that by now? It would sure be nice if you would actually engage us at the level the rest of us are operating at... JVL, Thanks for agreeing with me that any attempt to dismantle something as entrenched as abortion is going to create a mess of other moral issues. >Does that mean you can sue a rapist for child support? You know, THAT is actually not a bad idea! You may have a winner there! I actually like your idea! In closing, may I suggest that the US take this opportunity to switch the red/blue distinctions, and have Red Cities be those where abortion is available? It will be easier to keep things straight that way. (/sarcasm)EDTA_{June 25, 2022
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@ 71 Rape, incest, mothers life in danger, and birth defects are all smoke screens Pro baby murders can do math. ALL of these instances combine equal about a percent of the average 32 million abortions that take place each year They just try to back you into a moral conundrum because they know you have morals so they figured they corner you with it in the attempt to make you look like a hypocrite They’ll even say stupid shit like “you’re a pro rape then” Reality is the numbers say something entirely different and the only thing they really do care about is population control Because that’s what baby murder does and that was Margaret Sanger’s original intention Hint hint Planned Parenthood removed her name from their institution for a reason I mean they conveniently put up Planned Parenthoods in low income areas that generally had high African-American populations, just sayings. Now let’s spin moral relativism on this and say it was because they needed affordable health care solutions for aborting their children, oops planning parenthood, and please ignore the cohort effect of reduced generational population in that particular community But they’re so pro women’s rights it’s amazing the one right that the government feverishly supportive of but yet at the exact same time treated women like shit for decades Let’s put a few more things in perspective I have done adoption paperwork for multiple people looking to adopt the paperwork runs around $30,000-$50,000 a lot of nonsense to adopt some that easily could’ve been aborted A child in foster care can run the government around $220,000 if they’re never adopted and they are forced to go through the entire system, abortion solves this too An abortion cost about 270 bucks and can be covered by insurance, super cheap It is cheaper that the individual never existed God forbid we would fix the broken foster care system and make it easier for single mothers with children. Nope but abortion fixes this to Abortion is not about women’s rights because you have to get past the fact that the government has been really good at restricting women’s rights for years except for this one This is about population control and money So people need stop confusing abortion for some illegitimate right to murder a human being because you don’t wanna take care of it after you made itAaronS1978_{June 25, 2022
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Fred Hickson:
RNA World as precursor neatly sidesteps UBs conundrum.
Only in your little-bitty mind. First, there isn't any evidence for any RNA world. Next, there isn't any connection between the imaginary RNA world and coded biology. The problem is people like Fred are not interested in science. They only pretend to be when they think science supports their asinine agenda. For example:
It follows logically from your statement:
Wrong again, Fred. Federal laws supersede State laws. For example, several States allow for legal marijuana. The Federal law does not. You can still be busted by the feds for legally growing dope. With Roe v Wade intact, States had to follow that lead.ET_{June 25, 2022
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FH, the creator made us free and gave us built in moral guidelines. The things you pointed to are due to abuses of freedom. KFkairosfocus_{June 25, 2022
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