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So, let's refer to it as the Ithaca Conference on Biological Information...DiEb_{June 11, 2013
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PS: Wiki on the Urbana conference: >> Urbana is a major Christian missions conference sponsored by InterVarsity Christian Fellowship for college students. This event is designed to inform Christian students about current issues around the world that missionaries face, to declare the biblical mandate for cross-cultural missions, and motivate them to participate in missions. The first Urbana was held in 1946 in Toronto, and since then, it has generally been held every three years. From 1948–2003, Urbana took place at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, with the primary venue after 1963 being the Assembly Hall, the school's basketball arena. Because of insufficient space at the University of Illinois campus, Urbana 06 was moved to St. Louis, Missouri, at The Americas Center and the Edward Jones Dome. Urbana 09 and 12 were held at the same location. >> In short even after it is not at Urbana anymore it is Urbana! KFkairosfocus_{June 11, 2013
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I have been looking, and I find that there is progress with especially the Marks-Dembski research programme. Inasmuch as this is a mathematical modelling analysis linked to widely understood concepts of phase or configuration spaces, this can be easily confirmed not to be "lying." As to saying that an event occurred at Cornell is a misrepresentation -- and remember this is a dialogue of various sides to the matter not an endorsement of any one side of a controversial question, my inclination on too much observation is that there would have been some other thing found as a hook to object to while not dealing with the merits. In addition, it seems to me that there is a clear agenda of marginalisation that lies behind many of such objections. To my knowledge going back to student days and beyond [Urbana 67 I think it was played a key role in the history of the Charismatic renewal in Jamaica thus the wider Caribbean, for instance . . . ], it seems that it is a common practice to name conferences after where they are, without inference of endorsement, e.g. the Inter Varsity US conference has been "Urbana" for decades, without meaning that UOI Urbana endorses IVCF. The 1993 Palo Altos [sp?] meeting of early thinkers on design theory comes to mind as a similar parallel. Objecting to the venue being part of the name, suggests to me an underlying deep seated hostility that is implicitly calling for locking-out, i.e. censorship; this is not like there being an Al Qaeda conference at Cornell, so knock it off. Then, let us lay the side issue to one side and deal with the matter on its merits. Why not start with the Dembski-Marks paper? KFkairosfocus_{June 11, 2013
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Allen McNeill:
If the only thing that matters is the data and the evidence, why even mention that the event took place at Cornell?
Because it did take place at Cornell, duh.
Doing so under these conditions tends to confirm peoples’ suspicions that the organizers and supporters of this event are lying about its connections with the university, and therefore that they may also be lying about their work.
Wow, that sounds a lot like baby whining, Allen.Joe_{June 11, 2013
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DiEB:
As for the DATA and EVIDENCE, I’m currently trying to make head or tails of the section “A General Theory of Information Cost Incurred by Successful Search”: at the moment, I’m not impressed…
LoL! No one but the choir is impressed with evolutionism...Joe_{June 11, 2013
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The only connection to Cornell is that the room was rented from the School of Hotel Administration. No department at Cornell, nor the administration as a whole, had anything to do with sponsoring the event. Indeed, several departments have gone on record as decrying the apparently deliberate attempts by the organizers to characterize the event as somehow an "official" Cornell function. The point here is not that the data or evidence matters, but rather that the organizers of the event have deliberately misrepresented the event as somehow being a "Cornell event" rather than an event that happened "at Cornell." If the only thing that matters is the data and the evidence, why even mention that the event took place at Cornell? Doing so under these conditions tends to confirm peoples' suspicions that the organizers and supporters of this event are lying about its connections with the university, and therefore that they may also be lying about their work.Allen_MacNeill_{June 11, 2013
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lol, evolutionists already out of the gate with their petty diatribes. DiEb why even pretend you're going to objectively assess the arguments in those papers?lifepsy_{June 10, 2013
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Who cares about any connection to Cornell? "Download the Cornell papers free here" "Yes, the Cornell conference did happen and yes you are free to read the papers" "Cornell Conference on Biological Information: Proceedings Now Available" As for the DATA and EVIDENCE, I'm currently trying to make head or tails of the section "A General Theory of Information Cost Incurred by Successful Search": at the moment, I'm not impressed...DiEb_{June 10, 2013
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Hey DiEB- Critics of evolutionism take it for granted that proponents of evolutionism will always be willfully misleading. :razz:Joe_{June 10, 2013
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Who cares about any connection to Cornell? It's the DATA and EVIDENCE, not the place, that is important.Joe_{June 10, 2013
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2011 Cornell Conference on Biological Information sounds better than 2011 Gathering on Biological Information in the Statler Auditorium of the School of Hotel Administration at Cornell University. The former may be legally correct (or has anyone from the university made a complaint yet?), but it makes it easy for critics of Intelligent Design to accuse the proponents of the theory to be willfully misleading, even without reading the proceedings.DiEb_{June 9, 2013
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Graham2 @17: Fair question. It would be interesting to know what, if any, involvement Cornell had. Not that it matters to the substance of the materials, but it would be good to not assume more university involvement than warranted.Eric Anderson_{June 9, 2013
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My point was that there is some confusion about exactly what is the connection with Cornell University. It seems as though they rented a room from the school of Hotel Administration or something.Graham2_{June 9, 2013
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Conference proceedings, at Amazon. KFkairosfocus_{June 9, 2013
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Oh. never mind.Graham2_{June 9, 2013
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Slightly OT: In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information This seems to have sunk without trace. Does anyone know anything about it ?Graham2_{June 9, 2013
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Multiple Overlapping Genetic Codes Profoundly Reduce the Probability of Beneficial Mutation George Montañez 1, Robert J. Marks II 2, Jorge Fernandez 3 and John C. Sanford 4 - published online May 2013 Excerpt: In the last decade, we have discovered still another aspect of the multi- dimensional genome. We now know that DNA sequences are typically “ poly-functional” [38]. Trifanov previously had described at least 12 genetic codes that any given nucleotide can contribute to [39,40], and showed that a given base-pair can contribute to multiple overlapping codes simultaneously. The first evidence of overlapping protein-coding sequences in viruses caused quite a stir, but since then it has become recognized as typical. According to Kapronov et al., “it is not unusual that a single base-pair can be part of an intricate network of multiple isoforms of overlapping sense and antisense transcripts, the majority of which are unannotated” [41]. The ENCODE project [42] has confirmed that this phenomenon is ubiquitous in higher genomes, wherein a given DNA sequence routinely encodes multiple overlapping messages, meaning that a single nucleotide can contribute to two or more genetic codes. Most recently, Itzkovitz et al. analyzed protein coding regions of 700 species, and showed that virtually all forms of life have extensive overlapping information in their genomes [43]. Conclusions: Our analysis confirms mathematically what would seem intuitively obvious - multiple overlapping codes within the genome must radically change our expectations regarding the rate of beneficial mutations. As the number of overlapping codes increases, the rate of potential beneficial mutation decreases exponentially, quickly approaching zero. Therefore the new evidence for ubiquitous overlapping codes in higher genomes strongly indicates that beneficial mutations should be extremely rare. This evidence combined with increasing evidence that biological systems are highly optimized, and evidence that only relatively high-impact beneficial mutations can be effectively amplified by natural selection, lead us to conclude that mutations which are both selectable and unambiguously beneficial must be vanishingly rare. This conclusion raises serious questions. How might such vanishingly rare beneficial mutations ever be sufficient for genome building? How might genetic degeneration ever be averted, given the continuous accumulation of low impact deleterious mutations? http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0006 Time to Redefine the Concept of a Gene? – Sept. 10, 2012 Excerpt: The ENCODE data presented in reference 2 indicates that at least 75% of all genes participate in alternative splicing. They also indicate that the number of different proteins each gene makes varies significantly, with most genes producing somewhere between 2 and 25. http://networkedblogs.com/BYdo8 The Extreme Complexity Of Genes – Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8593991/ 'It's becoming extremely problematic to explain how the genome could arise and how these multiple levels of overlapping information could arise, since our best computer programmers can't even conceive of overlapping codes. The genome dwarfs all of the computer information technology that man has developed. So I think that it is very problematic to imagine how you can achieve that through random changes in the code.,,, and there is no Junk DNA in these codes. More and More the genome looks likes a super-super set of programs.,, More and more it looks like top down design and not just bottom up chance discovery of making complex systems.' - Dr. John Sanford http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YemLbrCdM_s#t=31s Multidimensional Genome – Dr. Robert Carter – 10 minute video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8905048/ Not Junk After All: Non-Protein-Coding DNA Carries Extensive Biological Information - Jonathan Wells - published online May 2013 Excerpt: Many scientists have pointed out that the relationship between the genome and the organism - the genotype-phenotype mapping - cannot be reduced to a genetic program encoded in DNA sequences. Atlan and Koppel wrote in 1990 that advances in artificial intelligence showed that cellular operations are not controlled by a linear sequence of instructions in DNA but by a “distributed multilayer network” [150]. According to Denton and his co-workers, protein folding appears to involve formal causes that transcend material mechanisms [151], and according to Sternberg this is even more evident at higher levels of the genotype-phenotype mapping [152]. http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0009 Verse and Music: John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. LECRAE-IT'S YOUR WORLD - song Excerpt lyrics - He uses intelligent design Like eloquence confined Life elements assigned by Elohim my God He left his fingerprints You thinking that our origins are coincidence Our symmetry alone makes Evolution look ridiculous And since our complexity is more than irreducible The fact our design had a designer is irrefutable I use science too to make a statement like this The existence of an atheist proves God exists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS5fYvyy5Y8 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/10/intelligent_des_2064961.htmlbornagain77_{June 8, 2013
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Related notes: Glycans: What Makes Them So Special? - The Complexity Of Glycans - short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXez_OyNBQA Glycans: Where Are They and What Do They Do? - short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZ61TxnxKo This Non Scientific Claim Regularly Appears in Evolutionary Peer Reviewed Papers - Cornelius Hunter - April 2012 Excerpt: ,,,Indeed these polysaccharides, or glycans, would become rather uncooperative with evolution. As one recent paper explained, glycans show “remarkably discontinuous distribution across evolutionary lineages,” for they “occur in a discontinuous and puzzling distribution across evolutionary lineages.” http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/04/this-non-scientific-claim-regularly.htmlbornagain77_{June 8, 2013
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The Membrane Code: A Carrier of Essential Biological Information That Is Not Specified by DNA and Is Inherited Apart from It - Jonathan Wells - published online May 2013 Excerpt: ,,In 1985 Ronald Schnaar wrote, “There appears to be a code on the surface of each cell that specifies its function and directs its interactions with other cells, a code in some ways comparable to the genetic code carried on the DNA molecules inside each cell.” The “letters” of the cell surface code to which Schnaar was referring are sugar molecules. A few monosaccharide building blocks can produce the enormous diversity of “words” needed to identify the many different kinds of cells in a complex organism, Schnaar explained, because “each building block can assume several different positions. It is as if an A could serve as four different letters, depending on whether it was standing upright, turned upside down, or laid on either of its sides. In fact, seven simple sugars can be rearranged to form hundreds of thousands of unique words, most of which have no more than five letters. (This alphabet is even more efficient than the genetic code: the four nucleic acids that constitute DNA — guanine, adenine, thymine, and cytosine — can be connected only front to back, like roller coaster cars.) So, not only are sugars in the right place to serve as the alphabet for the cell-surface code, they have the requisite structural flexibility too.” Schnaar concluded, “It may be that as much control over the cell’s fate, and as much of the language of life’s unfolding, reside on the cell’s surface as in its nucleus” [63].,, Membrane patterns in ciliates are known to be heritable independently of the information in DNA sequences, and there is evidence that some cytoskeletal and membrane patterns in the cells of multicellular organisms can also be inherited apart from the DNA. Taken together, the data suggest that embryo development is not controlled by DNA alone, and thus that DNA mutations are not sufficient to provide raw materials for evolution. http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0021bornagain77_{June 8, 2013
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You have to change the properties in windows firewall to allow domain and private profilesturell_{June 7, 2013
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Chrome worked- thanks- and IE worked if I went to the home page and entered the DOI minus the #t-tocJoe_{June 7, 2013
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How come it is free?nightlight_{June 7, 2013
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Joe pop me a line by email. KFkairosfocus_{June 7, 2013
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Joe: If you have a windows firewall allow incoming Domain messages and private profile messages to get the Cornell documentsturell_{June 7, 2013
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Must be a browser issue- all I get is a message that says I cannot be connected to that webpageJoe_{June 7, 2013
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It was too complicated for Joe, you obviously should have made it much simpler. Its ok Joe, get 'em next time.Joealtle_{June 7, 2013
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I feel like I just made off with the whole cookie jar - but thanks for enabling me anyway.owendw_{June 7, 2013
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Still works fine Joe. Right click on pdf's and save as.julianbre_{June 7, 2013
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The link doesn't seem to work- perhaps they have already stopped us...Joe_{June 7, 2013
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