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Evolutionists Conclude Magnetoreception Evolved


Many animals use a built-in sixth sense called magnetoreception to sense direction and even location as they travel long distances. These magnetoreception capabilities are highly sophisticated and, after many decades of research, scientists still have not unraveled the full story. But as a recent report explains, a barrage of ingenuous experiments have begun to piece together many important aspects of magnetoreception.  Read more

J1: have you looked at my response to your previous questions regarding Darwin's icon no 1 the tree of life and related arguments, if so, what is your reply? And kindly put it in that thread. If you are simply moving from thread to thread and posting random links to darwinist sites and their arguments but are not interested in serious responses explicitly offered as a test of your seriousness, on fair comment, you are doing little more than playing the troll. KF kairosfocus
JGuy: Haldane's quote finds its match in hundreds of biological systems. But unfortunately he was probably too blind to see it, as are most of the committed materialists. It is instructive, though, that he recognizes the issue of irreducible complexity (though he uses different words) and acknowledges that it would falsify evolution. Of course the materialist response is to "imagine" various functional intermediaries and to thus sweep the problem under the rug. It is so old and tiring . . . Eric Anderson
Haldane is often quoted as saying evolution would be falsified if found in nature were: "various mechanisms, such as the wheel and magnet, which would be useless till fairly perfect.” Wouldn't that make two (or three) times now that Haldane single-handedly set-up scenarios that end up falsifying Darwin? :P JGuy
While they claim they are piecing "together many important aspects of magnetoreception" others are finding that another significant point of Darwinism has been falsified.
Species do not compete to survive in the same space, a massive study of birds shows. “‘Be Different or Die’ Does Not Drive Evolution” is the game-changing headline on PhysOrg based on a press release from the University of Oxford.
http://crev.info/2013/12/darwin-wrong-again/ Of course, they still find a way to preserve the theory. The results are still interpreted through Darwinian glasses, but it is encouraging to see this kind of research being done that has the potential to verify or challenge evolution. tjguy
OT: Hey guys wanted to know your thoughts
I think frequent OT's are disrespectful to authors and readers especially since you have a thread just for you OT's. You have no excuse to spam Dr. Hunter's with your latest. That's what I think. scordova
OT: Hey guys wanted to know your thoughts on Derren Brown a illusionist, skeptic and if I'm not mistaken a athiest and the movies he made faith, fear and God. He also has a video thats really worth talking about on this site. It's called Debunking Intelligent design. Thought It would bring a cool discussion about neuroscience, illusions and questioning design! Jaceli123
More fitting song: Alison Krauss-Gillian Welch - I'll Fly Away - music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdRdqp4N3Jw bornagain77
Supplemental notes:
Explore amazing animal migrations - book Description: Author Ben Hoare explores the mysteries of animal migration over land, through oceans and by air and traces in detail 50 remarkable journeys, including those by species as diverse as polar bears, wildebeest, hummingbirds, iguanas, dragonflies, bats and sharks. http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2009/march/explore-amazing-animal-migrations29844.html Rare Glimpses of Amazing Birds-of-Paradise Courtship Rituals - video playlist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTR21os8gTA&list=PLgSpqOFj1Ta4xHFM4kKR4VTW8CJmPNNNA A Cat’s 200-Mile Trek Home Leaves Scientists Guessing - January 2013 Excerpt: Nobody knows how it happened: an indoor house cat who got lost on a family excursion managing, after two months and about 200 miles, to return to her hometown. Even scientists are baffled by how Holly, a 4-year-old tortoiseshell who in early November became separated from Jacob and Bonnie Richter at an R.V. rally in Daytona Beach, Fla., appeared on New Year’s Eve — staggering, weak and emaciated — in a backyard about a mile from the Richters’ house in West Palm Beach. http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/19/one-cats-incredible-journey/?_r=0 Does fox use magnetic north to detect prey under three feet of snow? - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2SoGHFM18I Foxes use the Earth’s magnetic field as a targeting system By Ed Yong | January 11, 2011 Excerpt: Cerveny spent over two years studying wild red foxes in the Czech Republic, with the help of a 23-strong team of wildlife biologists and experienced hunters. The team recorded almost 600 mousing jumps, performed by 84 foxes at a wide variety of locations and times. They found that foxes strongly prefer to jump in a north-easterly direction, around 20 degrees off from magnetic north. This fixed heading was important for their success as hunters. They were more likely to make a kill if they jumped along their preferred axis, particularly if their prey was hidden by high cover or snow. If they pounced to the north-east, they killed on 73% of their attacks; if they jumped in the opposite direction, they success rate stayed at 60%. In all other directions, only 18% of their pounces were successful. Could the foxes be taking their direction from the environment? Cerveny thinks not. He found that the animals leapt in the same direction regardless of the time of day, season of year, cloud cover, or wind direction. Cerveny thinks that the only remaining explanation is that foxes align their pounces to the Earth’s magnetic field. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/01/11/foxes-use-the-earths-magnetic-field-as-a-targeting-system/#.UpoFbeL4Lms Dr. Cornelius Hunter: Evidence Against Darwinian Evolution in the Hammerhead Shark - podcast Excerpt: The unique design of the hammerhead's aerodynamic head, or cephalofoil, includes electromagnetic tracking of prey and binocular vision. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ5zwPMRGz8 I love to think of nature as an unlimited broadcasting station, through which God speaks to us every hour, if we will only tune in. — George Washington Carver, pioneer 20th century plant chemist
Verse and Music:
John 14:4-5 "You know the way to the place where I am going. Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?" “Death is not the end, it is simply walking out of the physical form and into the spirit realm, which is our true home. It’s going back home.” – Stephen Christopher Casting Crowns - Already There (Official Lyric Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtg9axTtNLg
A few assorted notes: The following articles are interesting for it points out a truly amazing design feature in the beaks, brains, ears and eyes of birds that allows some birds to ‘quantumly navigate' as they migrate extremely long distances (and I would hold that 'quantum navigation' is also strongly implicated in Starling murmuration:
Where Does a Bird’s Magnetic Sense Reside? - June 30, 2013 Excerpt: The beak contains areas rich in iron, the article explains. Prior research had been inconclusive about a beak-to-brain connection from those iron particles to the brain. Recently, a German team cut the nerve between those regions and the brain in half of a group of Eurasian reed warblers, then moved the whole population from their normal take-off grounds in Russia to the east, 1000 km away. Here’s what happened as a result: "The warblers that had their beak-to-brain connection cut flew northeast, as if they had departed from near Kaliningrad -- they had lost their "map sense" and could no longer determine their location. Those with the nerve intact, on the other hand, quickly oriented themselves and turned northwest, toward their breeding grounds, the team reports this week in PLOS ONE. This meant that the beak-to-brain system, which, according to the earlier tests, had no impact on the "compass sense," did matter for the "map sense" of the birds -- if the link was damaged, the birds simply did not know they had been displaced." But the experiments are still inconclusive, so far, to explain all the observations. More iron clumps have been found in the birds’ inner ear, Current Biology reports: "This organelle is found in hair cells in a wide variety of avian species, but not in rodents or in humans. This structure may function as (1) a store of excess iron, (2) a stabilizer of stereocilia, or (3) a mediator of magnetic detection. Given the specific subcellular location, elemental composition, and evolutionary conservation, we propose that this structure is an integral component of the sensory apparatus in birds." By “evolutionary conservation,” the authors meant no evolution was found. The trait is common to all birds. Further, no precursor in reptiles was identified, nor any ancestry for the organelle. It appears evolutionary theory is useless for understanding bird migration. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/06/where_does_a_bi073911.html Bird Navigation: Great Balls of Iron - Apr. 25, 2013 Excerpt: Their work,, reports the discovery of iron balls in sensory neurons. These cells, called hair cells, are found in the ear and are responsible for detecting sound and gravity. Remarkably, each cell has just one iron ball, and it is in the same place in every cell. "It's very exciting. We find these iron balls in every bird, whether it's a pigeon or an ostrich" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130426073811.htm Quantum compass for birds - January 2011 Excerpt: In the new research, physicists at the University of Oxford and the National University of Singapore calculated that quantum entanglement in a bird’s eye could last more than 100 microseconds — longer than the 80 microseconds achieved in physicists’ experiments at temperatures just above absolute zero,,, The new prediction interprets data from earlier experiments that hinted at a quantum basis for magnetic navigation in migrating birds. In 2006, researchers in Frankfurt, Germany, netted 12 European robins migrating from Scandinavia. Researchers locked the robins in a wooden room and applied small magnetic fields tuned to a frequency that would disturb entangled electrons, if the birds indeed relied on entanglement to navigate. The magnetic field, at 150 nanoTesla, was about 300 times weaker than Earth’s magnetic field, so it wouldn’t be expected to confuse the birds in the absence of an entanglement-based navigation system. But with the magnetic field on, the birds flew randomly instead of all flying in the same direction. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/68484/title/Quantum_compass_for_birds Vlatko Vedral Group Excerpt: we have recently showed that quantum coherence and entanglement present in the retinas of European Robins have a high noise tolerance, and thus could play a role in avian bird navigation. http://www.quantumlah.org/research/group/PI/14
This 'quantum navigation' over long distances is indeed very impressive:
Featherweight songbird is a long-distance champ - February 2012 Excerpt: A tiny songbird weighing just two tablespoons of sugar migrates from the Arctic to Africa and back, a distance of up to 29,000 kilometres (18,000 miles), scientists reported on Wednesday. http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-featherweight-songbird-long-distance-champ.html Study shows alpine swift (bird) can stay aloft for 200 days - Oct. 8, 2013 Excerpt: In analyzing the data captured by the sensors, the researchers found that the test birds stayed in the air at one point for 200 days, covering approximately 10,000 kilometers in the process. This, the researchers report, is the longest flight duration ever recorded by a bird, and is only equaled by some sea-going creatures who need only propel themselves forward—birds of course also have to keep themselves in the air, a process that consumes a lot of energy. Some of the most obvious questions that come to mind regarding the birds are: how do they eat and drink? When do they sleep? Prior research has an answer for the first, they eat what is known collectively as aerial plankton—a mix of fungus spores, small insects, seeds and even bacteria that float about in the sky. The water in their food is apparently enough to sustain the birds indefinitely. As for how and when they sleep, scientists are still divided. Data from the sensors in the study indicated slow-downs, or periods of reduced activity where the birds glided more than flapped, but that clearly isn't enough evidence to prove that the birds were sleeping. Some suggest that the birds, like some other organisms, don't have to sleep, or only do so during certain periods of their lifecycle, such as during mating season. http://phys.org/news/2013-10-alpine-swift-aloft-days.html
As well this 'quantum navigation is very nuanced:
To Birds, Storm Survival Is Only Natural, - November 12, 2012 "...powerful new satellite tracking studies of birds on the wing... reveal birds as the supreme masters of extreme weather management, able to skirt deftly around gale-force winds, correct course after being blown horribly astray, or even use a hurricane as a kind of slingshot to propel themselves forward at hyperspeed. ... Among a bird’s weather management skills is the power to detect the air pressure changes that signal a coming storm, and with enough advance notice to prepare for adversity. Scientists are not certain how this avian barometer works, yet the evidence of its existence is clear. ... ...once the storm had passed they took off, presumably heading back to where they wanted to be. “Birds have tremendous situational awareness...They know where they are and where they’re going, they’re able to fly back repeatedly, and they’ve shown an amazing ability to compensate for being pushed off track." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/science/birds-have-natural-ability-to-survive-storms.html?_r=0 FLIGHT: The Genius of Birds - Starling murmurations - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GR9zFgOzyw Starlings - Murmuration http://vimeo.com/31158841

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