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I’ve been thinking about the God of the Gaps argument today.  Proponents of naturalism (of both the philosophical and methodological stripe) use this argument in an attempt to discredit design theory as a means of explaining the physical world.  The argument usually goes something like this:  There are many things we formerly did not understand, such as the law of gravitation.  We might have been content to sit back and say “We don’t understand gravitation and we never will; God must have done it so there is no sense in inquiring further.”  But we were not content to rest in our ignorance, and scientists like Newton kept at it until they discovered the law of gravity.  There only seemed to be a gap that we needed to fill with God.  Similarly today, we can be assured that science will eventually fill in the remaining gaps of our scientific knowledge.  Thus, there is never a need to resort to “God did it” as an explanation for any phenomenon. 

 

Most ID proponents do not insist that a deity must have been the designer.  Nevertheless, the God of the Gaps argument is employed against ID by one of two means:  (1) We don’t care that you don’t posit a deity as the designer in your theory; we have fathomed your heart of hearts and we know that God (especially the God of the Bible) is really whom you have in mind.  (2) Even if we grant that you don’t posit God as the designer, you still posit the act of an agent, which cannot be encompassed by explanations based strictly on mechanical necessity (i.e., the laws of nature) and/or chance.  Since science operates only with explanations based on law and/or chance, for purpose of the “gaps” argument, it makes no difference if you posit a non-deity agent, because an “agent of the gaps” is just as much a scientific show stopper as a “God of the gaps.”

 

The problem with the “God of the Gaps” argument is that it is demonstrably false as a matter of the plain historic record.  Consider the law of gravitation from the example I used above.  No one can seriously doubt that Isaac Newton was a deeply religious man.  Indeed, he saw his work not as the search for knowledge for its own sake, or even for the sake of the practical benefits that would ensue from his discoveries.  No, he saw his life’s work as an inquiry into the nature of God’s design in the cosmos.  Newton believed “God did it.”  So why didn’t this belief bring his scientific inquiries to a screeching halt?  After all, that is exactly what the “God of the Gaps” theory predicts should have happened.

 

Newton did not stop his work for the same reason people work jigsaw puzzles.  Millions of jigsaw puzzles are sold every year to people who know beyond the slightest doubt that the overall picture was “designed” and that each of the individual pieces was cut by a designer in such a way as to fit into a unified whole.  So what is the fascination of a jigsaw puzzle?  At a certain level it seems utterly pointless.  Yet, humans appear to have an innate drive to explore puzzles.  There is something deeply satisfying about working out how a set of complex and seemingly unrelated pieces fit until an elegant, beautiful and unified whole.  The inner drive that motivates my kids to sit on the floor by the tree and put together the puzzle they just got for Christmas, is the same drive that motivated Newton to discover the laws of gravity and Kepler the laws of planetary motion.  Newton and Kepler were working on the grandest jigsaw puzzle of all – the jigsaw puzzle of the cosmos.  It mattered not one wit to them that before they ever began their inquires God had “painted the picture and carved the pieces of the puzzle” as it were.  They were driven to discover how it all fit together.

 

For this reason ID is not a scientific show stopper because it posits design in the universe.  The fact of design means nothing when it comes to continuing to investigating the details of the design – working the puzzle if you like.  With respect to every phenomenon we choose to investigate through the scientific method, we can ask what is its function, how can we model it, how does it fit into a unified whole, and can we use it to improve our material condition?  These are all jigsaw puzzle type questions, questions we are driven to answer by our innate curiosity about the world in which we live.  And at the end of the day it seems to me that it makes little difference in how we approach these questions if we assume the puzzle was made by blind chance and law that came together with such perfection that an illusion of design arises, or if we go one step further and assume the appearance of design gives away the fact of design.  The puzzle of how it all fits together and how we can use it remains to be solved.

Comments
pubdef,
But I see no reason to accept your assertion that it’s “the most important question we face.”
But if God exists, then that means he created you. And if he created you then that means you were made to serve a divine purpose; this, in turn, means that your very reason for existing is to fulfill God's divine purpose in making you. Would it not, therefore, be reasonable to conclude that the locus of your heart's desires resides, ultimately, in him since he fashioned you according to his own perfect choosing? In sum, I must rather strongly disagree. If God exists, then anything else that has any true value has that value only by virtue of having God as its source of being, which makes God's value infinite.crandaddy
January 12, 2009
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pubdef: "The bar for Behe’s opponents is thus very low; they need only show a possible mechanism in order to justify further investigation within the NDE paradigm." Maybe for people who already believe it. But those of us who don't are going to need more than a possibility. According to certain interpretations of quantum mechanics nearly anything is possible. We are looking for high probability and can't find it. Have you anything to add here?tragicmishap
January 12, 2009
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#53:
But rather than sidetracked regarding “the most” would you grant that it is an important question?
It's only important if the answer is "yes." If the answer is "no," then what is important about it? To me, it is so unlikely that the answer is "yes" that I am quite comfortable saying that, to me, it is not an important question. (It may be "important" in the sense of "interesting" but not in the sense of "consequential.")pubdef
January 12, 2009
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But I see no reason to accept your assertion (the existence of God) that it’s “the most important question we face.” OK, my claim can be stated that we are created and our creator wants us to do certain things. Further I can be fairly described as saying the most important question we face "is this claim true?" And I believe this. But rather than sidetracked regarding "the most" would you grant that it is an important question?tribune7
January 12, 2009
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#41:
Actually saying there is “probably no God” is a pretty serious faith-based statement. To dismiss the most important question we face requires extraordinarily blind faith.
But I see no reason to accept your assertion that it's "the most important question we face." I've thought about these matters at some length and very seriously over nearly 50 years, but I must say that I've arrived at my current outlook very casually -- I simply don't see any reason to stress over whether there's a god or not.pubdef
January 12, 2009
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#39:
All of us , if we drill down far enough, uts presuppose something that just is,whatever that is for you is what you have faith in.
How could you possibly know that about me? As it happens, I probably do have some presuppositions, but I don't see that it is absolutely necessary that I do. And, more to the point, if I am open to evidence that contradicts my presupposition, how is that "faith?" I don't pretend to have a completely "open mind;" there are obviously some things that I don't consider as possibilities on an ongoing basis. E.g., I'm not going to eat as much ice cream as I would like tonight, because I "presuppose," without knowing to a certainty, that I will wake up tomorrow morning and I'd rather not have to buy new jeans. And I will admit that it is very, very unlikely that I will ever be convinced to become a Christian, but (1) I don't think that's due to any "faith" in godlessness or any other religion, and (2) it's not impossible.pubdef
January 12, 2009
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allanius, thank you :-)tribune7
January 12, 2009
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To dismiss the most important question we face requires extraordinarily blind faith. . . implies that someone cannot come to the conclusion that “there is probably no god” after long and careful thought. Well, yes. If you conclude "there is probably no God" you have not thought deeply enough about it. If you conclude "there is no God" you are exhibiting a faith to rival a pastafarian.tribune7
January 12, 2009
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YellowShark, This is your last chance. Whatever BaylorBear said is irrelevant between you and Dr. Dembski. I won't argue anymore with you, no more rabbit trails, either you apologize, or you don't, and if you don't, you won't see anymore of your comments here.Clive Hayden
January 12, 2009
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tribune7, Saying
To dismiss the most important question we face requires extraordinarily blind faith.
implies that someone cannot come to the conclusion that "there is probably no god" after long and careful thought. To dismiss those whom you may disagree with as someone is not "one of much thought" is certainly easy and may make you feel clever, with your barbs "perfectly pointed", but it displays the exact tendency that you seem to despise, not being one of much thought. So, if I may be so bold as to ask vividbleau's question again: What do I have “blind faith” in? Any thoughtful answer will do. And I apologize for participating in an off-topic discussion, I just found tribune7's response in need on a polite rebuttal.Winston Macchi
January 12, 2009
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Tribune, you are a man of the people. Long or short, every barb is perfectly pointed. The "gaps" Darwinists rave about are gaps in their own theory. Since Darwinism is not science, ID is not a science stopper.allanius
January 12, 2009
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What are the alternatives to a deity as the designer? Ancient AI silicon-based machines who created us to be their servants only to become weak and dependent on us allowing us rebel and destroy them. And of course those silicon-based machines were created by carbon-based life who then became dependent on them . . .tribune7
January 12, 2009
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What are the alternatives to a deity as the designer? ETstribune7
January 12, 2009
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I expect an apology, not to me, but to Dr. Dembski, or you will be “banninated,” as ya’ll like to say :). And I don’t mind the bannination button for folks so blatantly disrespectful.
You have my word that--although I think it's a bit draconian to ban someone for what they say off-site--I *shall* apologize to Dr. Dembski when an apology is forthcoming from "BaylorBear", who posted on this website an objectionable cartoon depicting a "humourous" threat to the safety of people who accept evolution. Incidentally, since there have been two topics on UD specifically directed as replies to my comments you would think I would be somewhat welcome here as I've at least given you something to talk about. 1. https://uncommondescent.com/biology/life-from-chiral-crystals-really/ 2. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-new-look-at-an-old-idea-geocentrism/ I shall address the remainder of your comment if I am not "banninated".TheYellowShark
January 12, 2009
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This is a change in the topic but Barry said, "Most ID proponents do not insist that a deity must have been the designer." What are the alternatives to a deity as the designer?alaninnont
January 12, 2009
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Actually saying there is "probably no God" is a pretty serious faith-based statement. To dismiss the most important question we face requires extraordinarily blind faith.tribune7
January 12, 2009
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An atheist has more blind faith than any Christian and probably most Moslems. . .Ok, let’s suppose that I am an atheist. What do I have “blind faith” in? That there is “probably no God?” Doesn’t seem very faith-based. That's a fair point. If you say there is "probably no God" and leave it at that you aren't a man of great faith. Nor are you one of much thought. The minute you start thinking about it, however, the justification for your belief will be nothing more than blind faith and wishful thinking.tribune7
January 12, 2009
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Ok, let’s suppose that I am an atheist. What do I have “blind faith” in? That there is “probably no God?” Doesn’t seem very faith-based. All of us , if we drill down far enough, uts presuppose something that just is,whatever that is for you is what you have faith in. Vividvividbleau
January 12, 2009
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#22:
An atheist has more blind faith than any Christian and probably most Moslems.
Ok, let's suppose that I am an atheist. What do I have "blind faith" in? That there is "probably no God?" Doesn't seem very faith-based.pubdef
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[T]here really is such a thing as knowing when to take “no” for an answer. Even in science. Some of those are obvious now: should we continue to pursue the phlogiston theory of heat?
No question that it is necessary to know when a question has been "settled" and further investigation of the alternative is a waste of time. I've brought this up myself, giving the example of a proof that it is impossible to trisect an angle with a compass and straightedge. But it seems clear to me (conceding that I know next to nothing about the science involved) that ID in general, and Behe's IC in particular, are nowhere near the theoretical grounding necessary for such a conclusion. At minimum, I would think that there should be a positive theory (e.g., "this is why you can't trisect an angle, etc."), not just highlighting alleged deficiencies of the existing paradigm (which amounts to "in 2000 years you've never come up with a way to trisect that angle, etc."). This is very important in light of Behe's assertion (implied if not stated expressly; I won't be able to cite to anything he's actually said on this) that it is impossible for the flagellum to have developed in a "random" stepwise fashion. The bar for Behe's opponents is thus very low; they need only show a possible mechanism in order to justify further investigation within the NDE paradigm.pubdef
January 12, 2009
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#2: Much to my surprise, I managed to find Behe's statement this afternoon. Behe was talking to Casey Luskin on "ID the Future" (podcast of 8/22/08). They were discussing a recent article that set out to dispute Behe's characterization of the flagellum as irreducibly complex; Behe, as you might guess, was not impressed. Luskin asked him, essentially, where such research was heading. At 8:10 into the podcast:
CL: So this is probably a rhetorical question but what do you think will be the outcome 10 years from now when they revisit upon this paper where do you think we'll be. Or do you want to make a prediction? MB: I'll make a prediction that some brave soul will try to figure something out and get discouraged after a few experiments and then ten years down the line we'll be pretty much in the same situation; maybe some of those [inaudible] nonhomologous proteins one or two will be found to have homology to something but we will not be anywhere near understanding how such things could be produced by random processes. CL: But still just to even do the research, to try to do it, and to maybe learn that Darwinian explanations are not the answer, that would be progress for science. MB: It would be progress if scientists are willing to take no for an answer.
So there it is. I have more to say about this, but for now, I'll just post this to clear the fog I unfortunately may have generated.pubdef
January 12, 2009
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Look up these pages.1)Chance to say"onse".2)Intelligence is beyond-don`t no!+The stolen property was probably sold for profit needed for the dance of eternal. Question:Does the thief leapfrog neede supposed un-neededbeauty needed for the leisurely walk in a natural that seems to bee missing today?Yes?Dr. Time
January 12, 2009
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YellowShark, I don't see how Laplace's self-referential incoherence is another matter entirely. Here's what he said: "We may regard the present state of the universe as the effect of its past and the cause of its future. An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes." If he is willing to have the intellect be separate from the material causation, something like an independent mind and spirit, there is no problem self-referentially. Whether the natural universe is such a clockwork might be another problem, but at least a different one than if the intellect were just as much determined as what it thinks it is determining. And secondly, I noticed that you said the following on another website: "My reply (as TheYellowShark) to Dembski's latest pile of tard is "awaiting moderation"." Folks can see it here: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=SP&f=14&t=5735&p=132244 "Dembski's latest pile of tard" you say? I expect an apology, not to me, but to Dr. Dembski, or you will be "banninated," as ya'll like to say :). And I don't mind the bannination button for folks so blatantly disrespectful. And all the rest of you sock-puppets that expect privileges of commenting here with anonymity, all the while being vile on another thread, if your cover is blown and you don't appropriately apologize, you'll be gone too. So you'll have to keep the bragging down and not blow your cover too soon if you want to comment here.Clive Hayden
January 12, 2009
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DaveScot you say... "Designing and building bacteria 3 billion years ago then infecting th earth with it requires only a few specific things of a designer - means, motive, and opportunity." As a memeaniac myself, I've wondered about this possibility. But, I find it hard to believe that the conditions for life can exist (on a grand scale), and for life not to be there?Michael Haanel
January 12, 2009
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Yeah YellowShark, Laplace’s solution was determinism, which is not a solution.
Nice red herring. Laplace's solution to the stability of the solar system merely involved translating the Principia's geometrical arguments into the language of differential calculus. *Both* of these were Newton's own works, and he could/would have integrated them himself if it weren't for his belief in the "God of the Gaps". The epistemic horizon of Laplace's Demon is another matter entirely, and completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Incidentally, it is not an argument against determinism, it's an argument that "Laplace's Demon", if such a thing exists, cannot predict its own actions and therefore must exist OUTSIDE the "universe" that it predicts.TheYellowShark
January 12, 2009
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Is Heaven(The puzzle)going to designed and built for humans,sorry have to say its future occupants or will the futures design and build paridise? If Heaven and Earth are to be one in the same,it is a shame we aren`t noticing that grand opportunity as a human formed Heaven.Greedy,greedy, greedy.I know I can accept myself as imperfect me and can see the Heaven that I want to remodel as well as myself and my future relationship/s as perfect us.Why would I wish or want as a human until I know what GOD gave us here first?If I don`t know what I have been given or earned,Honestly,how would ome know they are offered more or less in another environment? Greedy-greedy!Dr. Time
January 12, 2009
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Yeah YellowShark, Laplace's solution was determinism, which is not a solution. He said that if we could know everything there is to know about a particular moment, then we could extrapolate from there and know all of the causal chain of events into the past and into the future. But, surely, Laplace would, himself, be part of the causal chain itself, and he could no more step outside of it and study it than a drop of water can step outside the river and make a map of it. What he's asking for demands an impossibility. In philosophy it's called self-referential incoherence. He's just as much a part of the system that he would have to be outside of for his study to work. Whatever he learned couldn't have been otherwise, and has no bearing on independently gained "truth", for there is no independence.Clive Hayden
January 12, 2009
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Green said: "but assuming it sets a limit to Darwinism, does that mean that research into evolution beyond that level would stop? Would research into the evolutionary relationships between genes and organisms stop? Or does that just depend on whether you accept common descent?" The Edge of Evolution is just an observation of completed research and similar research should continue for ever because it is possible that the edge may be higher on the taxonomy scale than what has been found so far. In fact one the best ID research projects going on now and there are thousands of projects in this area carried out by the anti ID people is the mapping of genomes. Every genome mapped or part of a genome mapped is ID research because each one is support for the edge of evolution. That is why the Darwinists must continue ID research because each project they complete puts another nail into the Darwinian paradigm of macro evolution. It confirms micro evolution but ID is quite happy with micro evolution. So ID has no interest in the ceasing of such research but applauds each new completed project. It is some of the best ID research going on now. And the fun part of it is that ID does not have to spend a penny for it and it being done by people who loathe ID. What delicious irony.jerry
January 12, 2009
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Evolander criticisms of intelligent design are fatuous at best, and usually just downright dishonest. They are also usually double edged swords, as is the case in the "of the gaps retort". I.e., the greatest gap filler they have is RM+NS, as others above have pointed out. I just came across a fatuous critique of William Dembski by a the Panda'sThumb blogger Jeffrey Shallit, and refuted it here at Conflating concepts in information theory.William Wallace
January 12, 2009
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Very nice, Barry. I will remember you arguments whenever GotG comes up. I think you pretty much nailed it.tragicmishap
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