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From Jack Collins on the “science vs. Bible” controversy re the ancient Canaanites

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At Sapientia:

Breaking News: Science Disproves the Bible

Briefly, traditional media worldwide swallowed the claim that the Bible said the Canaanites were wiped out. No one apparently knew that the opposite is the case, or cared, in any event.

A study in genomic sciences that was on most counts not newsworthy has made big headlines in recent days, both in the media’s initial declarations and in the ensuing reaction. The cynic in me suspects that the whole thing was predictable from the very get-go.

No one need be a cynic today to predict that. Woodward and Bernstein are retired, okay? Today’s soon-to-be-let-go hack often has a huge load of angst and grievances against the nature of things, without the talent to express it well. He’d be working somewhere else if he did.

Of course, these claims are wrong. It’s explicit in the Bible that the Israelites did not take Sidon. It’s also plain that they didn’t even wipe out the Canaanites in the territories they did conquer—sometimes this was a failure, and sometimes this was actually divinely-approved, as in the case of Rahab and her family (I would argue for other cases, but let’s leave that aside for now). Most people recognize the difference between a command and the narrative of the performance of the command, and some reporters oddly overlooked this distinction. So, showing that modern-day Lebanese descend from “Canaanites” is hardly a problem for the Bible!

There can be no doubt that the headline writers, and many of the reporters, got it wrong—and that they could easily have saved themselves the egg-on-the-face experience by asking someone who reads the Bible. I will leave it to the journalists’ profession to improve how they do these things. Others (preferably journalists themselves) can explore why this was so easy a trope to resort to; I’d like to explore something else.More.

Good for Collins to explore something else where he is an undoubted expert. As a lifetime news hack, I can only say, keep abreast of the basic reason we cannot now trust traditional media sources: They were once gatekeepers of news and in the age of the internet, masses of information worldwide is available via a few keystrokes. They are Dobbin the cart horse in the age of the van.

The real threat, however, is from the social media companies who make information available — or maybe not. I recommend Milo Yiannopoulos’s book Dangerous, to give some sense of the issues. Doubtless, others will be along shortly. Just make sure you can hear about them.

See also: Why much science reporting is on the way out, along with the traditional media that support it

and

‘Dangerous’: Milo Yiannopoulos delights to provoke: The book by the gay conservative provocateur is not nearly as Dangerous as the social media world he exposes.

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Further, and as a former atheist, claiming to be an atheist is to affirm a belief about yourself, a truth claim, as one who has comprehensive knowledge of existence...indeed, omniscience, and, consequently, give yourself Godlike status. Atheistic presuppositions are not results of scientific study, nor are they derived from any rational principles of logic. Quite the opposite. Affirming an atheistic position is to suspend logic and conveniently and heavily borrow concepts of meaning, epistemological grounding, order, uniformity of the ontological realm, grounding of persuasion and articulated reasoning on any subject...all from a belief in an infinite reference point, an uncaused causer, an informer, a designer, a logos, a God. In short, atheism is the blindest leap of religious faith one could possibly make, especially if one wishes his undemonstrated arguments to be taken for anything more than the mere electro-chemical spasms of an enlightened bacterium, signifying nothing. The obvious connection between the OP topic and UD is that our modern philosoper kings are wrong in many categories, and the methods from which they derive their prophecies reveal fatal leaps of logic and convenient omissions of truth. The memory hole, over time, has just become deeper and darker. One begins to see that the fool who believes one set of false truth claims eagerly embraces any and all other false truth claims from any and all other categories.mugwump3
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rvb8:
You seem honest enough to be sceptical of false pastors, and that’s encouraging. Perhaps you should go the extra yard and be more sceptical of the Bible?
You may not realize this, but the failure of humanity (including false pastors) and the failure of human establishments, (both religious and secular) are major themes of the Bible and fall well within the expectations of those with study, perception, and/or experience. Should we, upon learning that people fail, seek to invest not just more, but all of our faith in people, in the form of secular humanism/scientism?LocalMinimum
August 9, 2017
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Sage @14, understand that as an atheist I find all religion equally absurd. Interesting in so far as it pertains to human history, absurd as to its truth claims. Quoting the wonderful Pauline words to me (I do love my KJV), is like pouring water in the desert; I absorb it, but nothing grows; sorry. I simply can not get past religion's claim to be beyond nature, and natural forces. I have seen zero evidence of miracles, other than those produced by charlotins. You seem honest enough to be sceptical of false pastors, and that's encouraging. Perhaps you should go the extra yard and be more sceptical of the Bible?rvb8
August 8, 2017
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rvb8 @ 13
NEWS hopes we make a connection between the sloppy reporting on this Biblical issue by the media, and their almost whole hearted embracing of evolution.
I agree with you on that. I think this story does show that the media is eager to promote a "science vs. the Bible" narrative in which science is always the winner and the Bible, and people of faith, are made to look ridiculous. So eager, in fact, that they overlook glaring errors that any reasonably bright child could spot. Most of the articles linked above remain uncorrected. And the comments section at Ars Technica has page after page of snarky comments mocking the Bible and Christians. Maybe you can see why Christians would look at this debacle and remember the words of the apostle Paul when he said...
Although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools. (Romans 1:21-22)
sagebrush gardener
August 8, 2017
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Sage @12, I do indeed get confused by many of NEWS's articles. This however I know to be true. This kind of reporting is at odds with the stated goal of this site. To report, and keep IDists abrest of the latest advances, findings, and areas of research being done in ID work. How is it that a science site would even delve into these Biblical non-stories? I can only think that NEWS hopes we make a connection between the sloppy reporting on this Biblical issue by the media, and their almost whole hearted embracing of evolution.rvb8
August 8, 2017
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NEWS... said the major outlets had accepted a study saying the Bible was right about the Canaanites.
Sorry, rvb8. I don't see that statement in anything News said. Can you help me out? Maybe I am having trouble with my reading comprehension. What I see News saying, twice, is that the media "swallowed the claim that the Bible said the Canaanites were wiped out." In other words, the study claimed that the Bible said the Canaanites were wiped out. But the Bible does not actually say this. In fact, it clearly says the opposite -- an elementary fact that was overlooked by a number of journalists in their haste to discredit the Bible. Scientist (and adoring press): The Bible says the Canaanites were wiped out. But we just found their DNA in modern Lebanese people. Haha -- stupid Bible! Anyone who has actually read the Bible text in question: No, the Bible does not say the Canaanites were wiped out. It says clearly and unequivocally that the Israelites failed to destroy large numbers of them. If Canaanite DNA was found in modern people, this actually confirms the Bible story! More here: https://pastortimlecroy.com/2017/07/27/did-recent-scientific-findings-actually-disprove-the-biblical-account-of-israels-conquest-of-canaan/sagebrush gardener
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sagebrush @4, thanks for the links, however it was NEWS that said the major outlets had accepted a study saying the Bible was right about the Canaanites. I couldn't care less whether a study proved this God ordained Biblical genocide, or disproved this Biblical genocide. My main hope was to draw attention to the level of NEWS's journalism. She constantly attacks mainstream outlets, and yet can not see that her own titles are not acknowledged, recognised, or even mentioned outside of this tiny community. I am living in the hope that oneday, UD will produce a title, of their own invention, reflecting original research, in their own laboratories, that may one day raise even a glimmer of interest, in the scientific community. A guy can dream.:)rvb8
August 7, 2017
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TWSYF @ 9 I am telling myself "the Bible got it wrong"? I am confused by your statement -- I actually said the opposite. Did you intend to reply to a different comment?sagebrush gardener
August 7, 2017
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sagebrush @ 4: Sure. The Bible got it wrong. Keep telling yourself that.Truth Will Set You Free
August 7, 2017
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So, as was part of life back then....didn't conquering tribes/forces usually take slaves as part of the spoils of war? This would obviously leave DNA around despite a wiping out of a civilizations ways or structures.Trumper
August 7, 2017
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This is relevant to all human communication on any kind of activity, including science research. Misinformation is all over the map, because gullible masses are eager to get excited on this kind of fake news. We must test everything and hold what is good. But many folks don't even know what is good. This is the sad reality of this world.Dionisio
August 7, 2017
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Just an irrelevant detail: "Briefly, traditional media worldwide swallowed the claim that the Bible said the Canaanites were wiped out. No one apparently knew that the opposite is the cae, or cared, in any event." "No one apparently knew that the opposite is the cae,..." case?Dionisio
August 7, 2017
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I expect this particular failure would have occurred identically 50 years ago. Back then journalists were somewhat likely to know a Christian well enough to discuss the matter, but even then the TYPE of Christian who knows scriptural details wouldn't have been anywhere near the journalist caste. Baptists and Pentecostals know chapter and verse, and never tire of reciting chapter and verse. Episcopalians and Catholics and Jews operate on tradition and fashion instead of scriptural text. Journalists have never known any Baptists or Pentecostals.polistra
August 7, 2017
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rvb8 @ 1
can you direct me to the traditional media sites where the Biblical account of the Canaanite genocide was accepted? Let alone accepted world wide.
Your question does not make sense to me, as the whole point of the story is that science has supposedly disproved -- not "accepted" -- the Biblical account. Perhaps this is what you are looking for: Study disproves the Bible’s suggestion that the ancient Canaanites were wiped out (The Telegraph) Bible says Canaanites were wiped out by Israelites but scientists just found their descendants living in Lebanon (The Independent) Bronze Age DNA disproves the Bible’s claim that the Canaanites were wiped out: Study says their genes live on in modern-day Lebanese people (Daily Mail) Scientists Find Evidence That Ancient Canaanites Survive Today: Was The Bible Wrong? (Tech Times) New DNA study casts doubt on Bible claim (Mother Nature Network) The Bible was WRONG: Civilisation God ordered to be KILLED still live and kicking (Express) Genetic evidence suggests the Canaanites weren’t destroyed after all (Ars Technica) Canaanites Weren’t Annihilated by Ancient Israelites After All (Newser) Study disproves the Bible’s claim that the ancient Canaanites were wiped out (Click Lancashire) Canaanites survived Biblical ‘slaughter’, ancient DNA shows(ABC Online) DNA vs the Bible: Israelites did not wipe out the Canaanites (Cosmos) The Bible got it wrong: Ancient Canaanites survived and their DNA lives in modern-day Lebanese (Pulse Headlines) Some people are so eager to show the Bible wrong that they don't do the most elementary research to see what it actually says. Apparently this was a story too good to check. But the Biblical account is quite clear:
However, Manasseh did not drive out the inhabitants of Beth Shean and its villages... nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites who dwelt in Gezer... nor did Zebulun drive out the inhabitants of Kitron or the inhabitants of Nahalol... nor did Asher drive out the inhabitants of Acco or the inhabitants of Sidon, or of Ahlab, Achzib, Helbah, Aphik, or Rehob... nor did Naphtali drive out the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh or the inhabitants of Beth Anath... (Judges chapter 1)
That would explain why some modern Lebanese may have Canaanite DNA, don't you think? Some of these stories have been updated since their original publication to prevent further embarrassment to their authors, but many still remain uncorrected.sagebrush gardener
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rvb8, if you have been following the story, you will know that the buggy whip media swallowed whole the claim that Biblical accounts said that the Canaanites had been wiped out. In numerous places, the text of the Biblical literature states the exact opposite. Thus, there is no story in the discovery that some modern persons show evidence of Canaanite ancestry. Someone on a deadline must have needed the Bible to say something it did not - and possibly hoped that no one had a concordance available or even knew what a concordance is and what it is used for. But that didn't work. It's all online now. You can use it yourself for free if you want. No wonder I keep reading about legacy media layoffs... Start here: Why much science reporting is on the way out, along with the traditional media that support itNews
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Someone needs a nap...ET
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I'm not sure that, as NEWS claims, "traditional media worldwide swallowed the claim...", is a fair assesment. The Bible said the Canaanites were wiped out, and scientists today find their genome in modern day Lebanese? Sounds uncontroversial to me. NEWS, can you direct me to the traditional media sites where the Biblical account of the Canaanite genocide was accepted? Let alone accepted world wide. You often suggest (imply), that traditional, by which you mean, the NYT, and other masthead media sites are falling like so many dominoes. But then again you and all creationists have been suggesting Darwin is in decline since 1859, so a shovel of salt is needed to season your prognostications. So, to the question. How is this story relevant to ID? How is it relevant to evolutionary biology? The only tenuous connection I can make is this: Establishment media can not be trusted to get their facts in a particular story correct, therefore Establishment science suffers from the same failing. We call this, 'guilt by association', and judges throw it out of court because of...? Because of what? Pay attention; because of lack of evidence!rvb8
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