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But then what did you really expect? Honestly?

Caroline Crocker at AITSE is interviewed at BestSchools.org:

I began to entertain “politically incorrect views” while I was studying for my PhD. Basically, I did not see how evolution by random mutation and natural selection could lead to the kind of intricate nanotechnology that I was seeing inside a cell. Aspects of evolutionary theory conflicted with what I knew of science. I’ve heard people say that eventually we will figure out how mistakes in copying lead to increased information, but that belief takes more faith than I have. I think that it might make more sense to just evaluate the scientific evidence and follow where it leads rather than try to fit the new evidence about the copious amounts of information found in cells into a theory that was suggested over 150 years ago when cells were thought to be simple blobs of protoplasm.

When I began to teach, I noticed that the assigned textbooks were written in a way so as to encourage students to memorize, rather than critically assess, some of the information. I did not think this practice would lead to their success in future biology classes nor in their chosen careers in science. Therefore, in keeping with Yale recommendations on teaching controversial subjects, my habit was to teach students “not to argue from authority and to link their claims and assertions to appropriate evidence whenever possible.”

For example, when teaching about the function of steroids in cellular communication, I had the students go beyond the text and encouraged them to speculate on the possible side effects of hydrocortisone. In the same way, in the single cell biology lecture where I presented the information the textbook provided on evolution and the origin of life, I suggested that the students critically assess the claims made. I asked questions like, “Is microevolution is a legitimate ‘proof’ of macroevolution?” or “How much does the synthesis of a racemic mixture of individual amino acids in a closed system add to a discussion of the origin of life?” I encouraged them to think about what they were being taught, making it clear that disagreeing with the professor was okay—provided they backed their opinions up with science. The students enjoyed this method of teaching and clamored to get into my classes. Their letters can be found in my book Free to Think: Why Scientific Integrity Matters.

My first inkling of trouble was the day that my supervisor called me into his office and told me that I was going to be disciplined for allegedly “teaching creationism.”

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Oops....link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020300822_pf.htmlDrREC
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There are other accounts that suggest Crocker didn't so much "teach the controversy" as teach what she wanted: "Before the class, Crocker had told me that she was going to teach "the strengths and weaknesses of evolution." Afterward, I asked her whether she was going to discuss the evidence for evolution in another class. She said no. "There really is not a lot of evidence for evolution," Crocker said. Besides, she added, she saw her role as trying to balance the "ad nauseum" pro-evolution accounts that students had long been force-fed." She said no....to teaching what she was hired to teach.DrREC
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ScottAndrews2, only Fossfur got deleted as a commenter: Fossfur got deleted because we chose to take his comments about spamming the site seriously. It’s the same as, if you started making jokes in the boarding pass line about being wired to blow up, you would get deleted from an air flight. You could always say you were joking, but who would really care? -- One of GinoB's comments was toasted but he's been going on since if he remains civil and refrains from vulgar attacks on third parties. You can be pretty sure that GinoB hasn't come up with the definitive proof of Darwin, otherwise, why on earth would he bother with us?News
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ScottAndrews2
Oddly, only your comments got deleted, while other opposing viewpoints flow freely.
That is not true. Three posts were deleted, one from me and two from Fossfur. All were polite but very critical of Crocker. UD has become much better recently in not being the "silently delete posts and ban every opposing poster" echo chamber it was for years, but censorship incidents like this one still show the true mind set of the ID proponents.GinoB
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GinoB, This site is pro-ID, but it would be useless and boring if opposing viewpoints did not participate. Dull arguments are sharpened, and whoever cares to gains a better understanding of what they do or do not agree with. There must be some reason why so many of them continue discussions here. Oddly, only your comments got deleted, while other opposing viewpoints flow freely. I wonder why that is? I'm guessing that those posts contained, at last, a description of significant evolutionary changes in terms of evolutionary mechanisms, validating your assertion that 'there is no barrier to stop the changes.' Of course that had to covered up. That must be it.ScottAndrews2
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We strongly doubt the veracity of your and his attacks on Caroline Crocker, so deleted some of them.
What possible basis do you have for calling my opinions on Crocker to be 'lacking veracity' except that they disagree with yours? A doctor who prescribed burning incense and chanting to cure a case of appendicitis would be fired on the spot. Crocker demonstrated that she didn't understand the very basics of the subject she was suppose to teach and decided to inject her religious beliefs instead, so she got rightfully canned.
Your manifest inability to imagine that ID folk could be subjects of discrimination is a poor reflection on your intelligence, but in general if you can stay civil you will stay here. For now.
And your manifest inability to allow honest commentary by someone who holds an alternate viewpoint is a poor reflection on your journalistic integrity. You are being exceptionally hypocritical in doing exactly to others what you claim is being done to Crocker. As if the scientific community needed another reason to not take ID complaints seriously.GinoB
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Fossfur got deleted because we chose to take his comments about spamming the site seriously. It's the same as, if you started making jokes in the boarding pass line about being wired to blow up, you would get deleted from an air flight. You could always say you were joking, but who would really care? We strongly doubt the veracity of your and his attacks on Caroline Crocker, so deleted some of them. Your manifest inability to imagine that ID folk could be subjects of discrimination is a poor reflection on your intelligence, but in general if you can stay civil you will stay here. For now.News
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Tell me how deleting without comment polite posts that oppose your position is respectful.GinoB
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GinoB,
We expected better than this treatment for sure.
But don't you understand that respect breeds respect? Or is that something that only unsophisticated minds, who question neo-Darwinism, understand?bornagain77
November 3, 2011
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This new trend of having posts deleted without comment is both very disturbing and very telling
But then what did you really expect? Honestly?
We expected better than this treatment for sure.GinoB
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"Perhaps we all should just spam the comments with Youtube links and Christian music? That’s about the only thing left here." Fossfur is no longer with us.News
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Fossfur, I've addressed you a couple of times on the evidence issue as well and you simply ignore falsification, and it seems you also have a severe issue with honesty and bullying just as GinoB does. Does it not matter to you one iota that you cannot back up your claims for neo-Darwinism with actual evidence?bornagain77
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Yes, I could. But you wouldn’t understand it.
I guess it takes a really sophisticated mind, such as yours of course, to defend a 'scientific' theory by viciously demeaning anyone who questions it rather than showing any actual empirical evidence that demonstrates it is true. In grade school we called such people, who tried to intimidate other people like that, bullies.bornagain77
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News, why did you delete my post? It wasn't a troll, it was an honest opinion supported with evidence. Is that your idea of fair and balanced journalism?GinoB
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bornagain77
GinoB, excuse me but could you please show me that neo-Darwinism is true.
Yes, I could. But you wouldn't understand it. The rest of the Praise Jesus! videos skipped without comment.GinoB
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trollwave.News
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Hmmm, ???, well thanks to whomever cleaned those posts out.bornagain77
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GinoB, excuse me but could you please show me that neo-Darwinism is true. I've looked at the evidence and it is severely wanting of anything that could be construed as substantiating evidence: i.e. Where's the substantiating evidence for Darwinism?
Many of these researchers also raise the question (among others), why — even after inducing literally billions of induced mutations and (further) chromosome rearrangements — all the important mutation breeding programs have come to an end in the Western World instead of eliciting a revolution in plant breeding, either by successive rounds of selective “micromutations” (cumulative selection in the sense of the modern synthesis), or by “larger mutations” … and why the law of recurrent variation is endlessly corroborated by the almost infinite repetition of the spectra of mutant phenotypes in each and any new extensive mutagenesis experiment (as predicted) instead of regularly producing a range of new systematic species… (Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, “Mutagenesis in Physalis pubescens L. ssp. floridana: Some Further Research on Dollo’s Law and the Law of Recurrent Variation,” Floriculture and Ornamental Biotechnology Vol. 4 (Special Issue 1): 1-21 (December 2010).) http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/12/peer-reviewed_research_paper_o042191.html
Four decades worth of lab work is surveyed here:
“The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution”: Break or blunt any functional coded element whose loss would yield a net fitness gain – Michael Behe – December 2010 Excerpt: In its most recent issue The Quarterly Review of Biology has published a review by myself of laboratory evolution experiments of microbes going back four decades.,,, The gist of the paper is that so far the overwhelming number of adaptive (that is, helpful) mutations seen in laboratory evolution experiments are either loss or modification of function. Of course we had already known that the great majority of mutations that have a visible effect on an organism are deleterious. Now, surprisingly, it seems that even the great majority of helpful mutations degrade the genome to a greater or lesser extent.,,, I dub it “The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution”: Break or blunt any functional coded element whose loss would yield a net fitness gain. http://behe.uncommondescent.com/2010/12/the-first-rule-of-adaptive-evolution/
Michael Behe talks about the preceding paper in this following podcast:
Michael Behe: Challenging Darwin, One Peer-Reviewed Paper at a Time – December 2010 http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-12-23T11_53_46-08_00
How about the oft cited example for neo-Darwinism of antibiotic resistance?
List Of Degraded Molecular Abilities Of Antibiotic Resistant Bacteria: Excerpt: Resistance to antibiotics and other antimicrobials is often claimed to be a clear demonstration of “evolution in a Petri dish.” ,,, all known examples of antibiotic resistance via mutation are inconsistent with the genetic requirements of evolution. These mutations result in the loss of pre-existing cellular systems/activities, such as porins and other transport systems, regulatory systems, enzyme activity, and protein binding. http://www.trueorigin.org/bacteria01.asp
That doesn't seem to be helping! How about we look really, really, close at very sensitive growth rates and see if we can catch almighty evolution in action???
Unexpectedly small effects of mutations in bacteria bring new perspectives – November 2010 Excerpt: Most mutations in the genes of the Salmonella bacterium have a surprisingly small negative impact on bacterial fitness. And this is the case regardless whether they lead to changes in the bacterial proteins or not.,,, using extremely sensitive growth measurements, doctoral candidate Peter Lind showed that most mutations reduced the rate of growth of bacteria by only 0.500 percent. No mutations completely disabled the function of the proteins, and very few had no impact at all. Even more surprising was the fact that mutations that do not change the protein sequence had negative effects similar to those of mutations that led to substitution of amino acids. A possible explanation is that most mutations may have their negative effect by altering mRNA structure, not proteins, as is commonly assumed. http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-unexpectedly-small-effects-mutations-bacteria.html
Shoot that doesn't seem to be helping either! Perhaps we just got to give the almighty power of neo-Darwinism ‘room to breathe’? How about we ‘open the floodgates’ to the almighty power of Darwinian Evolution and look at Lenski’s Long Term Evolution Experiment and see what we can find after 50,000 generations, which is equivalent to somewhere around 1,000,000 years of human evolution???
Richard Lenski’s Long-Term Evolution Experiments with E. coli and the Origin of New Biological Information – September 2011 Excerpt: The results of future work aside, so far, during the course of the longest, most open-ended, and most extensive laboratory investigation of bacterial evolution, a number of adaptive mutations have been identified that endow the bacterial strain with greater fitness compared to that of the ancestral strain in the particular growth medium. The goal of Lenski’s research was not to analyze adaptive mutations in terms of gain or loss of function, as is the focus here, but rather to address other longstanding evolutionary questions. Nonetheless, all of the mutations identified to date can readily be classified as either modification-of-function or loss-of-FCT. (Michael J. Behe, “Experimental Evolution, Loss-of-Function Mutations and ‘The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution’,” Quarterly Review of Biology, Vol. 85(4) (December, 2010).) http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/09/richard_lenskis_long_term_evol051051.html
Now that just can’t be right!! Man we should really start to be seeing some neo-Darwinian fireworks by 50,000 generations!?! Hey I know what we can do! How about we see what happened when the ‘top five’ mutations from Lenski’s experiment were combined??? Surely now the Darwinian magic will start flowing!!!
Mutations : when benefits level off – June 2011 – (Lenski’s e-coli after 50,000 generations) Excerpt: After having identified the first five beneficial mutations combined successively and spontaneously in the bacterial population, the scientists generated, from the ancestral bacterial strain, 32 mutant strains exhibiting all of the possible combinations of each of these five mutations. They then noted that the benefit linked to the simultaneous presence of five mutations was less than the sum of the individual benefits conferred by each mutation individually. http://www2.cnrs.fr/en/1867.htm?theme1=7
Now something is going terribly wrong here!!! Tell you what, let’s just forget trying to observe evolution in the lab, I mean it really is kind of cramped in the lab you know, and now let’s REALLY open the floodgates and let’s see what the almighty power of neo-Darwinian evolution can do with the ENTIRE WORLD at its disposal??? Surely now almighty neo-Darwinian evolution will flex its awesomely powerful muscles and forever make those IDiots, who believe in Intelligent Design, cower in terror!!!
A review of The Edge of Evolution: The Search for the Limits of Darwinism The numbers of Plasmodium and HIV in the last 50 years greatly exceeds the total number of mammals since their supposed evolutionary origin (several hundred million years ago), yet little has been achieved by evolution. This suggests that mammals could have “invented” little in their time frame. Behe: ‘Our experience with HIV gives good reason to think that Darwinism doesn’t do much—even with billions of years and all the cells in that world at its disposal’ (p. 155). http://creation.com/review-michael-behe-edge-of-evolution Michael Behe, The Edge of Evolution, pg. 162 Swine Flu, Viruses, and the Edge of Evolution “Indeed, the work on malaria and AIDS demonstrates that after all possible unintelligent processes in the cell–both ones we’ve discovered so far and ones we haven’t–at best extremely limited benefit, since no such process was able to do much of anything. It’s critical to notice that no artificial limitations were placed on the kinds of mutations or processes the microorganisms could undergo in nature. Nothing–neither point mutation, deletion, insertion, gene duplication, transposition, genome duplication, self-organization nor any other process yet undiscovered–was of much use.” http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/05/swine_flu_viruses_and_the_edge020071.html
Now, there is something terribly wrong here! After looking high and low and everywhere in between, we can’t seem to find the almighty power of neo-Darwinism anywhere!! Shoot we can’t even find ANY power of neo-Darwinism whatsoever!!! It is as if the whole neo-Darwinian theory, relentlessly sold to the general public as it was the gospel truth, is nothing but a big fat lie!!!bornagain77
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Crocker's interview mentions Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, the documentary that claimed a bunch of people had been fired from their posts when in fact nothing of the sort happened. Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed was, let us not forget the movie that prompted William Dembski to predict that 2008 would be a "bang up year for ID". Let's pop over to the movie review site 'Rotten Tomatoes' and see what the consensus is....
10% Full of patronizing, poorly structured arguments, Expelled is a cynical political stunt in the guise of a documentary.
Ouch!Fossfur
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According to Crocker,
Human experience suggests that, if we see evidence of engineering, there was an engineer, if we see a painting, there was a painter. To me, this is simple logic.
That sounds familiar!
Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder? ___ YES ___ NO B. Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter? ___ YES ___ NO C. Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker? ___ YES ___ NO If you answered "YES" for any of the above, give details: RAY COMFORT.
http://ecclesia.org/truth/atheist.htmlFossfur
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Sorry to be so harsh, but PhD or no that woman is a full fledged idiot. Anyone whose understanding of modern evolutionary theory is represented by statements like "eventually we will figure out how mistakes in copying lead to increased information", and who thinks the theory first proposed 150 years ago is the state of knowledge of the theory today deserves to be fired from a teaching position. Academic freedom doesn't mean the freedom to teach the Earth is flat, or that leprechauns are real, or that the stork brings the babies.GinoB
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Given that Caroline is a self admitted creationist (and presumably YEC) fundamentalist
Therefore, I think I am justified in pointing out that is important to remember that for Christians nothing trumps the Bible, not even science.
Link Is it really that much of a stretch to think that creationist ideas wereever very far away in any topic? Perhaps a recurring subtext? After all if the Bible trumps science, each and every time, how can you teach science? News, presumably you don't go in for the investigative side of Journalism as it seems to me that you are only reporting on one side of the story here. While it might be the case that there is sometimes smoke without fire it's possible to "teach" people via questions like “Is microevolution is a legitimate ‘proof’ of macroevolution?” but it's also possible to manipulate people. Perhaps the kid who answers "yes, pennies add up into dollars so where is the barrier in either case?" get's shunned at lunchtime. Or the teacher winks to the rest of the class. I don't know that any of that happened. But until you know perhaps you could steer clear of words like "indoctrinate" when there may well be a legitimate reason for the complaint! So after the supervisor called her into the room...
My first inkling of trouble was the day that my supervisor called me into his office and told me that I was going to be disciplined for allegedly “teaching creationism.” That was not true. In fact, I had not even given the offending lecture during the previous semester. My supervisor was acting on a report from one student who refused to put the complaint in writing. A copy of the document where he admits this fact is in my book. A week after Free to Think was published I found out that the student who made the false allegations about me had been previously suspended from GMU for intimidating other students and for cheating—perhaps this is why she did not put anything in writing. Nonetheless, the grievance procedure, which is fully documented in my book, was a farce, my three-year contract was switched for a one-year, and my job at GMU was over.
Seems to me this is the money shot:
I had not even given the offending lecture during the previous semester.
I suppose as it was a lecture format it would be interesting to know what Caroline said in answer to herself when she asked herself if “Is microevolution is a legitimate ‘proof’ of macroevolution?” Perhaps that's where the problem comes from. Do you know the answer News? Perhaps you can ask, for me, as a favor? Oh, to be a fly on the wall. But I guess it's all in the book. Or not....kellyhomes
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