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The article, Darwin’s Birthday Poll: Fewer Than 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution, just up at foxnews.com, references this Gallup poll, in which this question is asked, “Do you, personally, believe in the theory of evolution, do you not believe in evolution, or don’t you have an opinion either way?”

Why don’t they ever ask about the specifics of the theory? For example: 1) Do you believe that all living things came from a universal single-celled common ancestor? 2) Do you believe that random mutation or random variation and natural selection explain the origin of all life and its complexity? 3) Do you believe that humans evolved from a primitive ape-like ancestor in the last several million years, and if so, does the Darwinian mechanism in question 2) explain how it happened?

The Gallup poll then goes on to discuss educational level and church attendance, and how this correlates with belief in “evolution.” As expected, those with more “education” are more likely to be true believers, and those who attend church weekly are less likely to be true believers. The conclusion is obviously that educated people can see the truth and wisdom of evolution, and those who attend church regularly are blinded by religion.

But perhaps a major factor is that those with more education who never attend church have never been exposed to anything but pro-Darwin indoctrination in public schools and universities, as well as the mainstream media, and have never heard about any of the weaknesses of the theory. That was the case in my situation.

During all my education, up through three college degrees, I never heard a word that challenged Darwinian orthodoxy, and you can bet that I was a true Darwinian believer. It wasn’t until a Christian friend suggested that I read Michael Denton’s Evolution: A Theory in Crisis that I slapped myself on the forehead and realized that I’d been conned. Perhaps church is one of the few places where people are likely to be exposed to the scientific problems with Darwinism.

The news story mentioned above is followed by the article, ‘Missing Links’ Reveal Truth About Evolution, in which we read, “As key evidence for evolution and species’ gradual change over time, transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians. These animals sound wild, but the fossil record — which is far from complete — is full of them…”

This is a perfect example of the one-sided indoctrination to which people are exposed in public education and the mainstream media. To be honest and fair, they should also quote Niles Eldredge, who said:

No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long. It never seems to happen. Assiduous collecting up cliff faces yields zigzags, minor oscillations, and the very occasional slight accumulation of change–over millions of years, at a rate too slow to account for all the prodigious change that has occurred in evolutionary history. When we do see the introduction of evolutionary novelty, it usually shows up with a bang, and often with no firm evidence that the fossils did not evolve elsewhere! Evolution cannot forever be going on somewhere else. Yet that’s how the fossil record has struck many a forlorn paleontologist looking to learn something about evolution.

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Second, who are these scientists who are turning to ID? Here are several hundred who have chosen not to remain anonymous: http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/GilDodgen
February 12, 2009
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First, why does language imply an author?
Experience- as in every time we have heard of or discovered a language it has always had an author.
Second, who are these scientists who are turning to ID?
The smart ones, who wish to remain anonymous.Joseph
February 12, 2009
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First, why does language imply an author?
Do you have an example of language that is not communicated from one being to another?Upright BiPed
February 12, 2009
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Luskin:
Since cellular language implies an author, and microbiological machines imply an engineer, and genetically encoded programs imply a programmer, increasing numbers of scientists feel the solution is intelligent design.
First, why does language imply an author? Second, who are these scientists who are turning to ID? How many can you name who converted in the past year? How about the year before that? Or the year before that?R0b
February 12, 2009
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Isn’t that quote from Niles Eldridge? You are right, it was Niles Eldredge, Gould's buddy. I fixed it. Thanks.GilDodgen
February 12, 2009
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It is obvious that people are still in love with that strawman! The debate was NEVER "evolution vs no evolution". However that is exactly what the NCSE wants everyone to belive. Apparently their propaganda is still working. So this year, the 200th birthday of Abraham Lincoln, we have to work to tear down that strawman and get the public and our opponents to acknowledge what is being debated.Joseph
February 12, 2009
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Gil, Isn't that quote from Niles Eldridge?jlid
February 12, 2009
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I think all 4 theoretical classes thus far would have more coherence, tolerance, cooperation with one another, and a more honest learning experience over all if education were structured behind a "think for yourself" environment. This is why the academic movement is so important. The whole "unquestionable teacher/professor" mentality must dissipate if we want to continue to move forward with increasing momentum in theoretical science. People holding to certain beliefs would feel less threatened by what may be now considered a hostile environment to them. The uneducated would have no choice but to think for themselves, and the line between the well educated and badly educated would diminish, seeing as the politics(including appeals to authority)of the matter would be minimized while critical thinking takes the front line.PaulN
February 12, 2009
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Sorry! I didn't put the link in properly, it's hereGreen
February 12, 2009
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(Slightly OT): a pretty old but interesting paper: The problem-solving skills of 30 Ph.D. scientists compared to 15 conservative Protestant ministersGreen
February 12, 2009
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Stephen B - Your three classes of people is a start, but I thought of a fourth class, that being those that refuse to get educated, because they don't want to hear anything that goes against what they already believe, or that contradicts what they were taught through their initial socialization process.JackInhofe
February 12, 2009
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Oops, last sentence--Meanwhile, in order to maintain their power, the badly educated install public schools to render the uneducated uneducable and immunize them forever from the influence of the well educated.StephenB
February 12, 2009
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Gil, congratulations on another splendid post. I submit that there are three classes of people: the uneducated, the well educated, and the badly educated. Here is the way the game is played: On the one hand, the badly educated pursue power for the sake of power because, for them, nothing else is worth pursuing. On the other hand, the well educated busy themselves trying to pursue wisdom and self-actualization, which includes the development of character, virtue, and self-control. Meanwhile, knowing that human nature resists discipline, the badly educated exploit the gullibility of the uneducated by telling them that true virtue consists in withholding judgment about absolute morality and elevating “niceness” over character. They seal the deal by explaining that the only reason that the well-educated proposed a moral code in the first place was to prevent them from having a good time. Further, they go on to explain that discipline and self control are not necessary components of a well-ordered society. As the story goes, making sacrifices or delaying gratification for any reason, even for a greater good, constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. This, of course, is just what the uneducated wanted to hear. What could be more inviting---they can amuse themselves with fun and freedom without subjecting themselves to the rigors of virtue and discipline. It doesn’t end there, of course, because the uneducated soon come to resent the well-educated for proposing such a cruel message in the first place. So they punish the well educated by putting the badly educated in power. Meanwhile, In order to maintain their power, install public schools to render the uneducated uneducable and immunize them forever from the influence of the well educated.StephenB
February 12, 2009
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Here's what I'd like to read in one of those "Missing Links Reveal Truth About Evolution" articles (that is, an honest presentation): "After digging up fossils for 150 years, with the explicit goal of confirming a conclusion that was reached in advance (i.e., that all life evolved in a Darwinian step-by-tiny-step fashion), paleontologists have found some creatures that could be interpreted as transitional intermediates. However, the overall, persistent, and overwhelming testimony of the fossil record is that new kinds of living things appear suddenly with no evidence of having evolved gradually, and then stick around unchanged until they disappear. Despite this, the consensus among most scientists is that Darwin got it right."GilDodgen
February 12, 2009
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But perhaps a major factor is that those with more education who never attend church have never been exposed to anything but pro-Darwin indoctrination in public schools and universities, as well as the mainstream media, and have never heard about any of the weaknesses of the theory.
This has been my speculation, and this is a big part of the reason why I'm not at all impressed by "scientific consensus." I believe it was in Unlocking the Mystery of Life that Mike Behe recounted his experience of reading Denton's book, AFTER having gone through a Ph.D. program. He said he wondered why he had never heard about this stuff during his education and that he felt a bit as though he'd been led down the primrose path.RickToews
February 12, 2009
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Just up over at YouTube a creationist tribute to Mr. Darwin on his Birthday! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3darzVqzV2o&feature=channel_page Dr. Steve Austin shows that Darwin started off on the wrong foot by getting his geology all wrong.YEC
February 12, 2009
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It would probably be better to say the level of indoctrination vs. level of education.tribune7
February 12, 2009
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I often tried to tell Darwinists that the reason so many well educated people believe in NDE is because that's simply what they were taught and for more years than the less educated and thus don't know any better. As Gil states. Think about it, the average student thinks the prof is going to tell him the truth, the facts. So no matter what they are told, unless they have some other source of info telling them otherwise, it's normal for them to believe the teacher. The higher you go in academia these days the more it is controlled by secular humanists Darwinists who ridicule and discriminate against any "conscientious objecters" - so add peer pressure, prof pressure and coercion to the list of reasons why students come away staunchly believing NDE. Of course the Darwinists don't often swallow these simple and salient facts about their schooling in general but it's as obvious as the fact that when about Galileo's day when teaches taught that the earth was flat the students believed it til Gal proved it wrong. But then they didn't believe him....at first! Now we have lots of info that confounds, confuses and negates neo-Darwinism completely - but the kids are still being taught it as the absolute truth! So it has nothing to do with 'smarter' but rather educational environment and the nature of schooling.Borne
February 12, 2009
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This survey confirms a suspicion I've had for a while: going to church regularly makes you smarter than taking an advanced degree. I wonder what the breakdown was for those who attend church regularly and have an advance degree. I must not have been good for the evolutionists or it would have been emphasized in the article.Peter
February 12, 2009
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Ssshhhh, don't tell anybody, but today is Lincoln's 200th birthday.William Wallace
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The quote at the end is from Niles Eldredge not SJG. This quote does not say that evolution and natural selection does not exist, only that it doesn't produce a nice gradual pattern. These observations are what led him to the punctuated equilibrium idea. From http://www.vqronline.org/articles/2006/spring/eldredge-confessions-darwinist/ I take being called anti-Darwinian very personally. It has always hurt, for I have always thought of myself as more or less a knee-jerk neo-Darwinian, someone who thinks the basic mechanism underlying evolutionary change, including the origin, modification, and maintenance of adaptations, resides squarely in the domain of natural selection. And I have always felt that, with one or two major exceptions, my version of how the evolutionary process works lines up very well with Darwin’s. Take natural selection, for example: I see natural selection just as Darwin originally did—as the statistical effect that relative success in the economic sphere (obtaining energy resources, warding off predators and disease, etc.) has on an organism’s success in reproducing. This conservative view contrasts strongly with the modern tendency to see natural selection as a matter of competition among genes to leave copies of themselves to the next generation—a position I take to be hopelessly teleological, obfuscating the real interactive dynamics of economic and reproductive organismic behavior driving the evolutionary process.hdx
February 12, 2009
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Exactly. I've seen the same argument in a dozen other articles with the Darwin Day festivities now upon us. Most of the people writing these articles are smart people. They probably know what they are writing about is a strawman. But 90% of the audience probably does not. It is not true knowledge they are trying to spread, but just their personal belief. The question is, do they know that their personal belief is not the truth?uoflcard
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