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Good and bad reasons for rejecting ID

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Although I accept ID, I actually think there are respectable reasons to reject or at least withhold judgment on ID in biology. I am writing this essay because I expect I’ll refer to it in the future since I will frequently grant that a critic of ID might be quite reasonable in not embracing ID.

Unlike some of my ID colleagues, I do not think rejection or non-acceptance of ID is an unrespectable position. It may not be obvious, but several revered “ID proponents” either currently or in the past said they are not convinced ID is true. Foremost would probably be David Berlinski. Next is Michael Denton, and next is Richard Sternberg. I do not know for a fact what they believe now, but statements they’ve made in the past have led me to conclude although they are obviously sympathetic to ID, they had not accepted it at the time of their writings. One might even put Robert Jastrow and Paul Davies in the list of “ID proponents” who actually reject ID.

GOOD REASONS TO REJECT ID
1. Absence of a Designer. I know I might get flak for this, but I think a good reason to reject ID is the absence of seeing the Intelligent Designer in operation today. With many scientific theories we can see the hypothesized mechanism in action, and this is quite reassuring to the hypothesis. For myself, I wrestle with the fact that even if ID is true, the mechanism might be forever inaccessible to us.

2. Lack of direct experiments. A designer may decide never to design again. That is consistent with how intelligent agents act. So even if the Designer is real, even if we’ve encountered Him once personally in our lives, the fact is we can’t construct experiments and demand He give us a demonstration.

3. Belief that some future mechanism might be discovered. This is always a possibility in principle.

BAD REASONS TO REJECT ID

1. Theology! There are some Christian theologians who believe in eternal life, the resurrection of the dead, the resurrection of Christ, but believe God wouldn’t design life based on whatever theological viewpoint they have such as their interpretations of the writings of Thomas Aquinas. I put this at the top of the list of bad reasons to reject ID.

2. “God wouldn’t do it that way”. This is also a theological argument, but is so prevalent its in a class of its own. How would any know God wouldn’t do it that way!

3. Bad design. See my take in The Shallowness of Bad Design Arguments.

4. Common Descent. Common descent is incompatible with Creationism but not ID.

5. Darwinian evolution. Darwinian evolution doesn’t solve the origin of life problem, and thus Dawkins over extends his claim that Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist. Darwinian evolution also has been refuted theoretically and empirically, but not everyone has caught on.

6. ID was invented to get creationism into public schools and is part of a right wing conspiracy to create a theocracy, and ID proponents are scoundrels and liars. These claims are false, but even if true, they are completely irrelevant to the truth or falsehood of ID in biology. I posted on the irrelevance of ID proponents being scoundrels. See: Scoundrel? Scoundrel?…I like the sound of that.

7. ID demeans God by making God responsible for bad designs. Denyse O’Leary deals with this one here: Here’s one bad reason for opposing ID.

I invite UD commenters to offer their own list of good and bad reasons to reject ID. This list is certainly not exhaustive, or correct, just my opinions.

Comments
It is clear that most don't really understand Occam's razor. Reason to reject ID; If you can show that natural processes are cable of creating specified and functional information. Do that and ID is dead as disco. Until then it is inference to the best explanation.Andre
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I edited the OP a little to emphasize these are my opinions, and I could be wrong.... I also added the following to the list of bad reasons to reject ID.
6. ID was invented to get creationism into public schools and is part of a right wing conspiracy to create a theocracy, and ID proponents are scoundrels and liars. These claims are false, but even if true, they are completely irrelevant to the truth or falsehood of ID in biology. I posted on the irrelevance of ID proponents being scoundrels. See: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/scoundrel-scoundreli-like-the-sound-of-that/.
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There is one good reason to reject the intelligent design of biology: that apparent design is illusory, due to empirically verifiable naturalistic mechanisms shown to be capable of engineering everything from novel organelles to whole body plans from scratch, as well as bootstrapping a stable DNA-based self replicating organism from simple chemical precursors. I think 1-3 in the OP might be good reasons for withholding 100% certainty, but they're not good reasons for outright rejecting ID, imo. We can be just about as certain that nanotechnology requires an engineer as we are that 500 coins all heads-up requires intelligent intervention. ;)Chance Ratcliff
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1. I have a regular razor next to my sink. Naturally, I will exhaust every natural explanation, no matter how farfetched, before resorting to the easy-way-out, wishful thinking of postulating some unnecessary and unknown intelligent designer! 2. Simply stating that every alleged indicator is flawed is completely sufficient in itself to prove the point beyond any debate. No support for the allegation is necessary because it's self evident and obvious. Ad hominem attacks to follow.Querius
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1. Occam’s Razor. Invoking a Designer is extremely unparsimonious, and should only be done if truly necessary.
And it is necessary. Just try to deal with the evidence presented in "The Privileged Planet"- science can only allow for so much luck and your position relies heavily upon it. Heck even the vaunted natural selection has proven to be impotent as a designer mimic.
2. It’s not necessary. Every alleged indicator of design, including “irreducible complexity” and “complex specified information”, is flawed.
That could be but there still isn't any evidence that natural selection is up to the task. And there ain't no other alleged designer mimics to choose from. And that doesn't even deal with the evidence for ID from physics and cosmology...Joe
June 24, 2013
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A couple of good reasons to reject ID: 1. Occam's Razor. Invoking a Designer is extremely unparsimonious, and should only be done if truly necessary. 2. It's not necessary. Every alleged indicator of design, including "irreducible complexity" and "complex specified information", is flawed.keiths
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Reason #1 is wrong because if we saw the designer then we wouldn't need science. And people who need that level of proof ain't interested in science. Reason #2- we can can conduct experiments to gain experience into cause and effect relationships. Meaning we can see how much intervention is required to get Lizzie's self-replicators that can evolve into something more complex. Or we may determine, via experimentation, that all non-design scenarios are hopeless. Reason #3 is wrong because that is the nature of science. However the science of today cannot wait for what the science of tomorrow may or may not uncover. Tomorrow's science can actually confirm's today's inference. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For me the only reason to reject ID is the same reason that would prevent the design inference in the first place-> some positive evidence that mother nature + father time + some unknown process(es) can account for what we observe. However, given the following:
“The same narrow circumstances that allow us to exist also provide us with the best over all conditions for making scientific discoveries.” ----------------------------------------------------------------- “The one place that has observers is the one place that also has perfect solar eclipses.” ----------------------------------------------------------- “There is a final, even more bizarre twist. Because of Moon-induced tides, the Moon is gradually receding from Earth at 3.82 centimeters per year. In ten million years will seem noticeably smaller. At the same time, the Sun’s apparent girth has been swelling by six centimeters per year for ages, as is normal in stellar evolution. These two processes, working together, should end total solar eclipses in about 250 million years, a mere 5 percent of the age of the Earth. This relatively small window of opportunity also happens to coincide with the existence of intelligent life. Put another way, the most habitable place in the Solar System yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them.”- The Privileged palnet
Good luck with thatJoe
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I extend my thanks to Mark Frank, Elizabeth Liddle and others for inspiring this essay.scordova
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