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Has anyone else noticed the blatant political flavor of many sciencey mags these days?

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Yes, it was always there but recently, as the editors become ever more self-righteous (= Us vs. the Unwashed), it has become more open and that sure isn’t an improvement. Two items noted in passing:

Big Climate:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an important organization with a primary purpose to assess the scientific literature on climate in order to inform policy…

Regrettably, the IPCC WG2 has strayed far from its purpose to assess and evaluate the scientific literature, and has positioned itself much more as a cheerleader for emissions reductions and produced a report that supports such advocacy. The IPCC exhorts: “impacts will continue to increase if drastic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are further delayed – affecting the lives of today’s children tomorrow and those of their children much more than ours … Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future.”

The focus on emissions reductions is a major new orientation for WG2, which previously was focused exclusively on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability. The new focus on mitigation is explicit, with the IPCC WG2 noting (1-31) that its focus “expands significantly from previous reports” and now includes “the benefits of climate change mitigation and emissions reductions.” This new emphasis on mitigation colors the entire report, which in places reads as if adaptation is secondary to mitigation or even impossible. The IPCC oddly presents non-sequiturs tethering adaptation to mitigation, “Successful adaptation requires urgent, more ambitious and accelerated action and, at the same time, rapid and deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.”

Roger Pielke, Jr., “A Rapidly Closing Window to Secure a Liveable Future” at The Honest Broker Newsletter/Substack (March 2, 2022)

The relentless drum-banging will probably have the opposite effect of the one desired, especially when (as is sure to happen) some emission reduction strategies do much more harm than good and the boosters are running for cover, misrepresenting those outcomes in the name of “Trust the Science.”

And then there are the ridiculous efforts in popular science media to snuff out any awareness of the possibility that the virus that causes COVID-19 escaped from the Wuhan lab doing research on making viruses more powerful. How awful of any of us to suggest such a thing! Here’s an intro to a podcast on the topic:

We have featured the work of science writer Matt Ridley on several occasions over the years. Now he is the author (with Alina Chan) of the new book Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19. Brendan O’Neill has recorded a podcast with Ridley to discuss how the Covid-19 virus might have leaked from a lab in Wuhan and how scientists tried to suppress the lab-leak origin theory. Spiked has posted the podcast here. I have embedded it below.

The New York Times continues to flog the alleged natural origin of the plague. Most recently, the Times has promoted “new research” pointing to the live animal market in Wuhan as the origin: “Analyzing a wide range of data, including virus genes, maps of market stalls and the social media activity of early Covid-19 patients across Wuhan, the scientists concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019 and suggested that the virus spilled over into people working or shopping there on two separate occasions.” However, “some gaps” in the evidence still remain. “The new [unpublished] papers did not, for example, identify an animal at the market that spread the virus to humans.”

Scott Johnson, “The case for the lab-leak theory” at Powerline Blog (March 4, 2022)

More re Viral

Science writer Matt Ridley thinks science is reverting to a cult. Maybe his next book should be about that.

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PPS, the triune understanding of God is not polytheism in disguise. There are no detachable bits and pieces of God, God is not assembled from prior parts. The scutum fidei may help a bit, but the story of the shamrock is able to help us clarify concepts. on being challenged, he plucked a shamrock and challenged the questioner, is this one leaf or three. It is in fact a unity a whole with aspects that are trifold. Sometimes I ask can one stand in one spot and be due north of London, Bridgetown and Kingston? At first it seems a contradiction, but on realising that Earth is a spheroid, we realise . . . go to the North Pole. Just so, this is a matter calling for paradigm shift, much as is so all over science.kairosfocus
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PS, some "laws" seem to be local, making up much of physics in our going concern world. It is conceivable that other worlds with different physics are possible, hence fine tuning issues. Other laws are there by force of logic of being. No one can make 2 + 3 = 6. No one can abolish distinct identity. God, could for argument create a world that has different physics, but as necessary entities etc are framework for any world, including a core of Math, identity and its close corollaries etc, those would bind any world. Next, you seem to think laws of physics have necessary force similar to 2 + 3 = 5. But that is not so, there is no compelling reason why the author of our world, who is actively present in and enables all processes, cannot act outside of the usual pattern for good reason. Empirical generalisations cannot forbid such relatively rare exceptions. Also, I find it puzzling that some now imagine that the author of our world would be challenged to interact with it. KFkairosfocus
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JVL, actually, once we look at the micro view, thermodynamics is about statistics and relative statistical weight AKA thermodynamic probability, with fluctuations a key point. So, while say a violation of entropy for a macro entity would be utterly implausible it is not logically impossible. The classical generalisations are based after the fact on stat mech, which is probabilistic. And that is specifically what I had in mind, my old profs would be disappointed if I did not instantly think in those terms. KFkairosfocus
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VL, 223, I did not emptily "accuse," I showed the misfire by an admittedly significant mind, in 172. KF PS, as it is obviously needed:
JSM indulged meaningless rhetoric, finding words to dismiss what he was clearly hostile to at outset. That one has used reasonable means towards an end and duly balances constraints implicit in logic of structure and quantity or laws of world or moral balance of character etc rather than being essentially arbitrary is not a sign of weakness but of wisdom. It seems he is tempted to grossly misunderstand divine attributes, e.g. omnipotence does not imply arbitrary power but maximal power compossible with other attributes of divinity. For example God cannot be deemed weak if he cannot make 3 + 2 = 6. Similarly, the silly false dilemma that speaks of God making a stone too heavy for him to move is grossly failed and misconceived. God is author of spacetime, and material bodies inherently can change locus therein, where an actual concrete entity made of particular atoms will have finite amount of mass so cannot have infinite inertia. Likewise, balancing features and aspects of physics or the parameters of a cosmos towards fine tuning in support of cell based life, is wisdom, not failing to have arbitrary power, which would be irrational. Just so, designing a creature to balance potential conflicting requisites, e.g. the hollow bones and weight saving features and streamlining of a bird, giving due but limited strength, is wisdom not failed arbitrary power. Indeed, part of this would be that a reasonable divine purpose would be to have an intelligible world so that finite, fallible minds could discern order to guide living, culture and thought towards truth and soundness. And more.
PPS, I would suggest that the exchanges across today should not be blanket dismissed as meaningless. They don't fall into the sort of blunder JSM regrettably fell into.kairosfocus
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Silver Asiatic ... immaterial entities can enable actions as we know. A thought can drive a decision then an act. Mozart composed a symphony entirely in his mind and then put it on paper. So, the immaterial thought existed first, then was actualized in reality in the music. The design of a building can come to someone in an immaterial vision – then the building is constructed according to the plan. That’s how design works – from immaterial idea to material object.
:) Very powerfull argument . Yep the universe was a symphony in God's mind then He wrote it on "paper".Sandy
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Earlier today KF accused John Stuart Mill indulging in “meaningless rhetoric?’
I’ll repeat
John Stuart Mill indulged in ignorant rhetoric
It was also meaningless because it was ignorant.jerry
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Q writes, "God is wonderful, loving, merciful, extremely creative, and impossible to fully understand (without your head exploding)" Dylan wrote, in "Where Are You Tonight?",
The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure, to live it you have to explode.
Has Q been listening to Dylan?Viola Lee
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JVL
How does that explain how God relates to our laws of physics?
You're asking how God interacts with the physical world, or how physics can model God's being, or why God is not bound by the laws He created (you're posing that as an injustice). First, you know that God is not a physical being, created out of matter. So physics and math are not going to be able to model His infinite, incorporeal being. They're just not the right tools for the job. Secondly, immaterial entities can enable actions as we know. A thought can drive a decision then an act. Mozart composed a symphony entirely in his mind and then put it on paper. So, the immaterial thought existed first, then was actualized in reality in the music. The design of a building can come to someone in an immaterial vision - then the building is constructed according to the plan. That's how design works - from immaterial idea to material object. Finally, why God can transcend the laws He created is because He had to transcend them, since He created them for this physical universe, which at one time did not exist. So, He was always transcendent to the laws. As for natural laws, like humans need to eat and sleep to survive - God "violates" those because He does not need them, since He is not a human being, but the divine eternal being the source of all life. Finally, in regards to miracles (like the resurrection of Christ, for example) God transcends natural laws to show us that we are not entirely bound by them. We too can transcend the physical laws with the help of God - that's why we pray. Otherwise, everything would be dominated by physical forces and we would be helpless against them. But miracles happen - to show the triumph of the human spirit (and the grace of God) over determinism.Silver Asiatic
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CD @ 197
I took a full semester course at Jesuit college in Molinism (where the doctrine of middle knowledge comes from) and still have no idea what it is.
I attended a high school run by Jesuits and we didn't have anything like that. But it sounds unfortunate for you, in any case. I find Jesuit spiritual exercises to be excellent and very helpful for improving prayer and meditation. And the Jesuit missionaries through the world are among my favorites to learn about. But in the case you mention, the theology sounds like it got too intellectualized. It sounds like a pre-Vatican II approach, less scriptural and more focused on technicalities. Most of that kind of wrangling has dropped away. >blockquote>It’s like “explanations” for the trinity–by the time you hack through them and realize that Christianity is really a form of polytheism, the philosophers have moved on to solving other mysteries. If philosophers conclude that Christianity is polytheism, then they haven't solved anything. In fact, if philosophers attempt to analyze and define the Trinity, then they're reaching beyond their competence - since the Trinity is not natural knowledge (for philosophy) but revealed doctrine that comes from God. It's a topic of theology, not philosophy. Theology requires the gift of Faith - which is infused at Baptism. Lacking that, it will be difficult to comprehend the teaching. But billions of Christians do embrace it - and it's not polytheism.Silver Asiatic
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Lieutenant Commander Data @222,
Then you are saying God is not good.
No, I'm not saying that. How did you jump to that conclusion? God is wonderful, loving, merciful, extremely creative, and impossible to fully understand (without your head exploding). He created the universe and judged it to be "very good" according to the Bible. From what I've seen and studied, the universe and living things are totally amazing, extremely complex, and incredibly well engineered. Take your immune system for example.
Are you saying that God created this world without a specific purpose or you just don’t know it?
Again, how did you jump to any of those conclusions from what I stated? How can any human claim to understand the thoughts and motives of God unless God reveals it in part somehow? As I'm writing this, my dog is curled up near my chair. Do you think my dog is capable of judging my motives and means as I tap this message on my keyboard? Then how much less can we pretend to fully understand God's thoughts and motives? (this is a Kal v'Chomer argument)
Are you a theologian? Evil didn’t enter into this world it was allowed by the free will of Adam and Eve.
No, and theologians shouldn't pretend to understand God's thoughts and motives either. They just logically arrange the various speculations and collective ignorance of others, occasionally adding to them. My general statement about evil entering this world should be self evident, especially nowadays. My statement made no statement on how it entered. -QQuerius
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Jerry @221,
Then you believe the creator of this world created an inferior world.
Inferior to what and on what basis? The Bible says that God saw the creation as "very good." It does not say "best of all possible" or "inferior." -QQuerius
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Earlier today KF accused John Stuart Mill indulging in "meaningless rhetoric?' Since then there have been 50 posts of what would then be equally meaningless rhetoric. All hat, no cattle, as the saying goes.Viola Lee
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Querius This world is certainly real as we experience it. But reality is fundamentally INFORMATION rather than particles and energy. I don’t don’t believe that this world is the best of all possible worlds for several reasons:
Then you are saying God is not good.
1. How do we determine what’s “best,” and what parameters does one use to evaluate “worlds”? 2. Best for whom or what?
Are you saying that God created this world without a specific purpose or you just don't know it?
3. Even theologically, the Bible never makes such a statement. For example, the text in Genesis asserts that God saw the completed creation and judged it as “very good.” It doesn’t say “best.” And even this observation was for the original creation before evil entered it.
Are you a theologian? :lol: Evil didn't enter into this world it was allowed by the free will of Adam and Eve .Lieutenant Commander Data
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I don’t believe that this world is the best of all possible worlds
Then you believe the creator of this world created an inferior world.jerry
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JVL @219, This world is certainly real as we experience it. But reality is fundamentally INFORMATION rather than particles and energy. I don't don't believe that this world is the best of all possible worlds for several reasons: 1. How do we determine what's "best," and what parameters does one use to evaluate "worlds"? 2. Best for whom or what? 3. Even theologically, the Bible never makes such a statement. For example, the text in Genesis asserts that God saw the completed creation and judged it as "very good." It doesn't say "best." And even this observation was for the original creation before evil entered it. -Q Silly side note: "Good" is a grade of B. Very Good is a B+ due to synergy in this case. But apparently, the stuff that was created on the second day, the atmosphere, received an "Incomplete" because no grade was given for that day. (wink)Querius
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Jerry: JVL just agreed with me that this is the best of all possible worlds. He probably doesn’t realize it nor apparently does anyone else. If it's not real then it cannot be the best of all possible worlds since it's not a world at all.JVL
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JVL just agreed with me that this is the best of all possible worlds. He probably doesn’t realize it nor apparently does anyone else.jerry
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Querius: Perhaps “God” does “play with dice” after all. And if “God” created/is creating space-time, then “God” cannot be a subset within that space-time. But then how does God interact with space-time without having a component or power or energy that is part of that system? As a Christian, I’m comfortable with the concept of living in some sort of filtering simulation, which I believe is entirely compatible with some strange statements found in the Bible, even quotes from Jesus. Okay. So, the point of this incredibly compelling and binding simulation is . . . ? Does that not bring into question the idea of a loving and caring god? Does that not suggest a jester, manipulative deity that is just playing with us for it's own benefit? If our perceived universe is just a simulation then why should we take it seriously? Why should we respect the being that keeps us trapped in that falsehood and yet requests our devotion and respect?JVL
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Kairosfocus: God would be author of the laws of physics and enabler of their operation. As statements they are simply summaries of regularities, sometimes put in a dynamical-stochastic context informed by logic of structure and quantity, they are not self explanatory nor do they give rise to a universe. For that you need to appreciate that a transfinite causal-temporal past poses the infeasible supertask of traversing a transfinite span of say years. There was a beginning and that points to something that set up the laws you point to as though they are ultimate. I understand regularities and probabilistic arguments that state that such and such is generally true or true a certain percentage of the time. But we have never observed a violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Those seem to be immutable. I assume you assume that God can violate those rules at will thereby not being subject to the rules his influence on Christian thought regarding logic brought into human experience in the first place. So . . . just checking . . . God created laws or rules that human beings would be subject to and gave us reason so we could discover those and marvel at the 'logic' of the universe even though God was/is not subject to those rules. Is that right?JVL
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Silver Asiatic: This is something you should study and learn more about – gain knowledge. Then you will be able to ask more informed questions. I'd be most interested in resources and publications which would address my physics-based questions. Can you recommend something? The Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology https://www.amazon.com/Blackwell-Companion-Natural-Theology/dp/1444350854 gathers together original contributions from a variety of leading philosophers to provide a timely and thought-provoking exploration of the nature and existence of God as manifested in the existence, order, and character of the natural world. Okay, that's one. But the laws are created by God, in a contingent universe. They are “regularities” created so that we can understand order. But those 'laws' are not hard-and-fast if God can override them. Are there any laws which are always and in every situation true and immutable? The law of identity – necessary and immutable. From that one law, all the others can proceed.
In logic, the law of identity states that each thing is identical with itself.
How does that explain how God relates to our laws of physics?JVL
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JVL, You ask some very interesting questions. From your previous posts, I believe you're very familiar with quantum mechanics, yet like most of us, you easily fall into the "physical reality" myth. Science doesn't know how the "Laws of Physics" came into being and what determined them. They seem to fit into mathematical expressions that are generally predictive but get "fuzzy around the edges" (I'm sure you know what I mean). For example, in a conversation with some physics professors, one of them asked the question why should the inverse squared law commonly encountered have an exponent of exactly 2.0000 . . . ? Then, we consider the following (which I've mentioned several times before):
Vlatko Vedral is a Professor of Physics at the University of Oxford, and CQT (Centre for Quantum Technologies) at the National University of Singapore, and a Fellow of Wolfson College. As a recognized leader in the field of quantum mechanics, here’s how he expresses it: "The most fundamental definition of reality is not matter or energy, but information––and it is the processing of information that lies at the root of all physical, biological, economic, and social phenomena." The key insight here is the realization that when we simply observe light, electrons, even small molecules or viruses in the famous double-slit experiment, it determines results in either a particle or a wave pattern depending on how they’re observed.
Then, when we postulate a "God" of some sort as the origin of existence out of non-existence based on INFORMATION as the fundamental reality, together with conscious observation and free-will choices of what to observe, we start drawing some hypothesis about both ourselves and this postulated "God." If my free-will choice of what I observe collapses the wavefunction resulting in particles and energy out of probability waves, then "God" must also be able to choose what NOT to observe. Perhaps "God" does "play with dice" after all. And if "God" created/is creating space-time, then "God" cannot be a subset within that space-time. And this is why supposedly a majority (~60%) of physicists believe we must be living in some sort of simulation, perhaps an "ancestor simulation." As a Christian, I'm comfortable with the concept of living in some sort of filtering simulation, which I believe is entirely compatible with some strange statements found in the Bible, even quotes from Jesus. -QQuerius
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JVL, God would be author of the laws of physics and enabler of their operation. As statements they are simply summaries of regularities, sometimes put in a dynamical-stochastic context informed by logic of structure and quantity, they are not self explanatory nor do they give rise to a universe. For that you need to appreciate that a transfinite causal-temporal past poses the infeasible supertask of traversing a transfinite span of say years. There was a beginning and that points to something that set up the laws you point to as though they are ultimate. In that context, you are looking at necessary, world root reality that escapes trying to get reality from utter non being. And much more, the matter is a worldviews matter not a physical one. KFkairosfocus
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SA, regrettably, Summa will be very stiff reading for most today. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: Here is Grudem doing a points notes outline on God's attributes: https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/attributes-of-god and this is an even simpler outline on key attributes: https://www.equip.org/article/the-attributes-of-god-what-are-the-attributes-of-god/ On God as redeemer (thus warranting the gospel and the scriptures that teach it), start here: includes a 1 hr vid, and in that light, you may proceed to for example here on the specifically Christian, scripture guided triune understanding of God. BTW, this is one place where Wiki gives a helpful introduction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity . There is much, much more out there that can be helpful, even for one who disagrees but wishes to do so with responsible, accurate understanding. That said, UD is not the place for a full orbed exploration, which is already highly tangential to the OP above. KFkairosfocus
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JVL
what are the real ‘laws’ of the universe?
We have to start with the first principles of reason. KF references these frequently. The law of identity - necessary and immutable. From that one law, all the others can proceed.
If Christianity is a basic motivation for the development of science but the deity violates all the laws discovered by the endeavours of science then is it all just a scam?
Christianity does not hold that a law must be absolute and unbreakable to be a law - although the First Principles I mentioned are such. But the laws are created by God, in a contingent universe. They are "regularities" created so that we can understand order.Silver Asiatic
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JVL is trollin' large today. Andrewasauber
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KF
I am again pointing out that for topics like this, you need to go to panels of genuine experts, a blog combox is not going to be able to take the matter up in full depth.
I'd suggest also for JVL: The Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology https://www.amazon.com/Blackwell-Companion-Natural-Theology/dp/1444350854 ... gathers together original contributions from a variety of leading philosophers to provide a timely and thought-provoking exploration of the nature and existence of God as manifested in the existence, order, and character of the natural world.Silver Asiatic
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Jerry @180,
The best of all possible worlds scenario would imply that Darwinian processes would never generate superior characteristics because that would destroy ecologies. That is exactly what we see.
Excellent point! I once wrote an ecology simulation and discovered what I later learned was a very common problem. The simulations are notoriously unstable, tending toward increasingly wild swings that quickly result in the degradation of the carrying capacity of the ecosystem and the extinction of the ecological web. -QQuerius
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JVL
I don’t know what ‘God’ means.
This is something you should study and learn more about - gain knowledge. Then you will be able to ask more informed questions.Silver Asiatic
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Silver Asiatic: Ok, thanks. You think God has a physical body – maybe it came from evolution? I didn't say that, I'm asking how it all works. You seem to think that God has a physical body. It’s important for us to understand what you mean by the term “God” and I’m getting a good idea now. I don't know what 'God' means. But I think some of you imply that your version of 'God' has certain capabilities and I'm wondering how those abilities and powers fit in with our known and verified laws of physics. And if they don't fit in with those then are they really laws at all? If it's possible to violate or override those laws then they are only of limited applicability, i.e. they aren't 'laws' at all. So what are the real 'laws' of the universe? Are there any real 'laws' at all? If Christianity is a basic motivation for the development of science but the deity violates all the laws discovered by the endeavours of science then is it all just a scam?JVL
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