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A friend writes to inform me that his son’s high school biology teacher is busily indoctrinating him into Darwinism by writing test questions that force the student to spew back Darwinist party-line answers in order to receive credit. Here are the questions:

1. One argument made against evolution is: evolution is random, so it cannot generate complex, orderly organisms. Explain why this statement is false.

2. Some people argue that evolution cannot be observed today. Explain how natural selection is observable in each of the following professionals (and makes their work more difficult): medical professionals, exterminators, and farmers.

If the student were in college, I would advise him to simply spew back the party line as the teacher expects. At that level the stakes are higher, and the professors are more ideologically driven. We all know that ideologues are reflexively intolerant of the slightest dissent and will abuse their power by punishing the slightest deviation from the officially-approved doctrine. Best to keep your knowledge of the truth well hidden from such as these.

On the other hand, it seems to me that the average high school biology teacher is often not heavily invested in materialist ideology. In my experience they dutifully present the Darwinist agitprop in the officially-sanctioned textbooks even though very often they do not believe it themselves. Therefore, while there is still some risk (who knows whether this one is a true believer), as a general matter they are much more tolerant of diverging viewpoints so long as the student demonstrates mastery of the subject matter.

With that in mind, I am going to throw the questions out for answers from the UD community. I will get us started. How would you answer?

Barry’s answers:

1. Neo-Darwinian theory posits that natural selection acts on random changes such as mutations by preserving those changes that create a survival advantage and deleting those changes that do not. As advantageous changes accumulate over countless generations, simple organisms gradually morph into more complex organisms. While it is true that the theory posits that the changes are random, it is not true that the theory posits that the overall process is random, because natural selection is not random. As the law of gravity “directs” a stone to fall to the earth, the law of “natural selection” directs the evolutionary process in a way that is analogous to a dog breeder developing a new dog breed. Therefore, it is false to say that Neo-Darwinian theory posits a purely random process. That said, natural selection has never been observed to actually direct the creation of large scale evolutionary changes such as new body types, and there are good reasons to believe it cannot do so.

2. It is simply false to say that evolution has never been observed. It most certainly has. Scientists have actually observed microbes develop antibiotic resistance through a strictly Darwinian process. Obviously, the work of medical professionals becomes more difficult when the microbes they are trying to eradicate evolve resistance to antibiotics. Similarly, the work of famers and exterminators becomes harder when bugs evolve resistance to pesticides. Thus, Darwinian evolution at this scale has been observed many times, and it is therefore false to say evolution cannot be observed. That said, it is also true that in contrast to small scale changes within a type (such as the development of antibiotic resistance), large scale evolutionary change that result in complex new organs or new body types has not been directly observed. Rather, since Charles Darwin and his finch beaks, theorists have assumed that the same process that results in small changes can be extrapolated to account for large changes. There are, however, very good reasons to believe that assumption is unwarranted.

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1. One argument made against evolution is: evolution is random, so it cannot generate complex, orderly organisms. Explain why this statement is false.
The statement is false because macro evolution is not random, macro evolution is guided by an intelligent designer.
2. Some people argue that evolution cannot be observed today. Explain how natural selection is observable in each of the following professionals (and makes their work more difficult): medical professionals, exterminators, and farmers.
Medical professionals observe micro evolution when abortions are performed. Farmers observe micro evolution when people in Africa starve because they are afraid to eat GMO food. Exterminators observe micro evolution when people die of malaria because governments ban DDT based on flawed science.Jim Smith
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I'm not the teacher, and I'm not a biologist. But my best guess would be that Barry passes but the first four commenters fail. I'm doubting that the teacher wanted to indoctrinate. Rather he (or she) was probably testing whether the concepts are understood. Barry clearly disagreed with evolution, but at least seemed to understand the concepts well enough for a pass.Neil Rickert
April 26, 2015
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1. One argument made against evolution is: evolution is random, so it cannot generate complex, orderly organisms. Explain why this statement is false.
Indeed, mutation is random and environmental change is random. And then there is also the second law that steers things towards disorder. Besides there is no reason whatsoever for chemicals to organize themselves into larger coherent wholes, which we call organisms. However science will one day come up with an explanation.Box
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Necessary prerequisite: I wouldn't like my kids or grandkids to study in a HS where they can't think out of the box with open mind, or where the teachers won't answer the students' questions, or where they don't discuss (previously in classes) the materials that are going to be in the exam. Let's assume none of that is in this case. First, in a class discussion, before the exam, I would rather ask the teacher to explain the first question. What does he mean exactly by evolution? Then I'd ask the teacher to explain the second question too. It's not clear to my poor child or grandchild. Then I'd ask the teacher to watch the two lectures (see link below) from the school I would like to be admitted into, and explain why the lecturer, who most probably has higher scientific credentials than the HS teacher, said the things indicated at various time marks in the given post: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/mystery-at-the-heart-of-life/#comment-561160 Basically, I'd train my kids or grandkids how to put the ball in the teacher's court. Then just wait for the explanation the teacher will give. A humble knowledgeable teacher will get through that easily. But an arrogant teacher will get stuck with the potential barrage of questions that will most certainly follow up. If they kick my child out of the school for that, I'd teach them to leave, dust their sandals and quietly go somewhere else.Dionisio
April 26, 2015
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1. One argument made against evolution is: evolution is random, so it cannot generate complex, orderly organisms. Explain why this statement is false.
I would ask the teacher to produce that argument. I think he made it up. One argument is that natural selection is impotent and cannot produce specified or irreducible complexity. I can explain why that statement is true.
2. Some people argue that evolution cannot be observed today. Explain how natural selection is observable in each of the following professionals (and makes their work more difficult): medical professionals, exterminators, and farmers.
I bet those people are referring to macroevolution, not just mere evolution. I would tell the teacher that baraminology is OK with what the medical professionals, farmers and exterminators experience.Joe
April 26, 2015
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1.) The reason this statement is false is because it presupposes that evolution is random, when in fact all processes in nature follow a set of driving rules and principles put in place (by an unnamed mover). The appropriate critique would not be that "evolution" is "random", but that Neo-Darwinian Evolution by definition is unguided; and, not only is an entirely undirected process by definition incapable of Specified Complexity, the study of an entirely undirected process is logically nonsense and scientifically untestable, non-falsifiable, non- verifiable, non-repeatable and therefore non-science and otherwise non-real. 2.) People who argue evolution cannot be observed today fall into three camps. There are those who think nothing changes (the broadest definition of evolution) over time. This is not necessary to address. There are those who deny that micro-adaptations occur in biology, which is also quite easily refuted by looking at even the epigenetic shifts in an organism during its own lifetime, let alone the genetic drifts that we've seen in short lifespan creatures. Then there are those who argue that Macroevolution is not able to be observed. Sadly, though we take Macroevolution to be a given fact based on our desire to be god, it cannot be observed because of the time it takes to occur. No one can observe it; and every step involved along the way contravenes every physical law we do observe.jw777
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