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IC All The Way Down, The Grand Human Evolutionary Discontinuity, And Probabilistic Resources

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The more we learn the more it appears that almost everything of any significance in living systems is irreducibly complex. Multiple systems must almost always be simultaneously modified to proceed to the next island of function. Every software engineer knows this, and living things are fundamentally based on software.

Evolution in the fossil record is consistently characterized by major discontinuities — as my thesis about IC being a virtually universal rule at all levels, from the cell to human cognition and language, would suggest — and the discontinuity between humans and all other living things is the most profound of all. Morphological similarities are utterly swamped by the profound differences exhibited by human language, math, art, engineering, ethics, and much more.

Yes, chimps have been shown to use tools: They can pick up ants with a stick in order to eat them. But there is a big difference between this and designing and building a Cray supercomputer or an F-35 fighter aircraft. To the best of my knowledge our primitive simian ancestors did not advance beyond ant-stick technology.

I continue to be bewildered by the fact that proponents of human evolution by Darwinian mechanisms (i.e., random errors filtered by natural selection) don’t do some simple math to see that the probabilistic resources are hopelessly inadequate, even when the most optimistic assumptions are made.

Unrealistically and optimistically assume the following base-ten orders of magnitude: an average generation time of 10^1 years; an average population of 10^8; and a time frame of 10^7 years.

Do the math. With these probabilistic resources it is assumed by Darwinian theorists that their mechanism produced the most profound and stunning of all evolutionary discontinuities.

I believe that our ancient ancestors were just as smart as we are. They figured out, in their time and with what they had access to, how to make fire, bows and arrows, art, and much more. If I were to be transported back to those times, and be stripped of my current knowledge, I would probably be considered an idiot by the dudes who figured out fire and arrows.

Chimps are still picking up ants with sticks.

Something very profound happened, very suddenly, and Darwinian theory clearly does not explain it.

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3 waterbear- All you said is that our distant ancestors were not as smart as us or they would have been as smart as us.Davem
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Yes, chimps have been shown to use tools: They can pick up ants with a stick in order to eat them. But there is a big difference between this and designing and building a Cray supercomputer or an F-35 fighter aircraft. To the best of my knowledge our primitive simian ancestors did not advance beyond ant-stick technology.
Actually, to our certain knowledge the LCA of human beings and chimpanzees (technically not simian) DID advance to designing and building Cray supercomputers and F-35s, as their descendants include ourselves.Voice Coil
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I continue to be bewildered by the fact that proponents of human evolution by Darwinian mechanisms (i.e., random errors filtered by natural selection) don’t do some simple math to see that the probabilistic resources are hopelessly inadequate, even when the most optimistic assumptions are made.
I think the Darwinists don't do simple math because they prefer to do difficult math just to show off how smart they are. Ironically, this is why they overlook that simple math is sufficient to disprove human evolution. If Darwinism were true, there wouldn't be any good mathematicians. I don't want to steal the show, so Gil, please show us the simple math that disproves human evolution. Let it be a lesson to those supposedly math savvy Darwinists.jitsak
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Human knowledge has expanded, and been passed on and accumulated through the generations. Without a doubt. But at some time way back when, there must be a time when our very distant ancestors were genuinely "dumber" (and I don't mean that in a pejorative way, just for want of a better word) than our more recent ancestors... otherwise all our ancestors would be just as smart as us all the way back to the first life on earth.waterbear
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Something must have been holding them back or otherwise it looks as if at some time in the past our ancestors were not wholly as smart as we are, or they would have built Cray supercomputers... Human knowledge has expanded, and been passed on and accumulated through the generations. Seymour Cray is probably no smarter than the guys who figured out how to string and pretension a bow, put feathers on the back of the arrow to stabilize the trajectory, and chip flint to make arrow heads with a sharp edge.GilDodgen
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Something very profound happened, very suddenly*, and Darwinian theory clearly does not explain it.
Exactly. This is the glaring hole below the waterline of Darwinism at which ID should aim its torpedo. Nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies can be achieved by publishing a clear and well-evidenced telic explanation for the rapid change in culture and toolmaking which the darwinists are at the moment trying to obscure with some sort of fuzzy handwaving "monkeymen banging rocks together" just-so notion. I hope the current active ID research projects are targeted on this as one of the most essential areas. * I don't know the answer to this, but as "our ancient ancestors were just as smart as we are" then quite what was that thing "very profound [which] happened, very suddenly"? Something must have been holding them back or otherwise it looks as if at some time in the past our ancestors were not wholly as smart as we are, or they would have built Cray supercomputers and F-35s as well. Instead archaeologists find lots of chipped stones, but no metalworking until quite recently and no powered flight until well into the modern era.waterbear
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