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In the current VJT thread on 31 scientists who did not follow methodological naturalism, it has been noteworthy that objectors have studiously avoided addressing the basic warrant for the design inference.  Since this is absolutely pivotal but seems to be widely misunderstood or even dismissed without good reason, it seems useful to summarise this for consideration.

This having been done at comment 170 in the thread, it seems further useful to headline it and invite discussion:

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>>F/N: It seems advisable to again go back to basics, here, inductive reasoning and why it has significance in scientific work; which then has implications for the design inference.

A good point to begin is IEP in its article on induction and deduction (which gives the modern view on induction . . . the old view of generalisation has been superseded):

A deductive argument is an argument that is intended by the arguer to be (deductively) valid, that is, to provide a guarantee of the truth of the conclusion provided that the argument’s premises (assumptions) are true. This point can be expressed also by saying that, in a deductive argument, the premises are intended to provide such strong support for the conclusion that, if the premises are true, then it would be impossible for the conclusion to be false. An argument in which the premises do succeed in guaranteeing the conclusion is called a (deductively) valid argument. If a valid argument has true premises, then the argument is said to be sound . . . .

An inductive argument is an argument that is intended by the arguer merely to establish or increase the probability of its conclusion. In an inductive argument, the premises are intended only to be so strong that, if they were true, then it would be unlikely that the conclusion is false. There is no standard term for a successful inductive argument. But its success or strength is a matter of degree, unlike with deductive arguments. A deductive argument is valid or else invalid.

The difference between the two kinds of arguments does not lie solely in the words used; it comes from the relationship the author or expositor of the argument takes there to be between the premises and the conclusion. If the author of the argument believes that the truth of the premises definitely establishes the truth of the conclusion (due to definition, logical entailment, logical structure, or mathematical necessity), then the argument is deductive. If the author of the argument does not think that the truth of the premises definitely establishes the truth of the conclusion, but nonetheless believes that their truth provides good reason to believe the conclusion true, then the argument is inductive . . .

In short, deductive arguments infer step by step conclusions through criteria of entailment relative to premises. Inductive arguments instead pivot on providing good reason for supporting a conclusion, even absent deductive validity multiplied by truth of premises leading to sound argument and logically certain conclusions.

Of course, the truthfulness of premises and how such are to be established is always an issue; especially as infinite logical regress of successive challenges to premises is futile and circularity of such a chain is also futile.

In part, we appeal to the fund of our experience and assert plausible claims. We may put up self-evident claims, on grounds that to deny X immediately, patently lands in absurdity so we go with the point that once we understand X we see it is so on pain of absurdity. (Think here on the consequences of distinct identity of say a bright red ball, A, on a table and the dichotomy of the world W = {A|~A}.)

Laws of logic in action as glorified common-sense first principles of right reason
Laws of logic in action as glorified common-sense first principles of right reason

But in many cases, we accept claims based on induction, e.g. ravens are black, per reliable empirically grounded generalisation. Where, obviously, we may modify should we encounter a white or green one, etc. That is, encountering some x such that x is non-black but also a Raven would disconfirm the generalisation that Ravens are black. (Famously, this happened with the black swans of Australia; for, Swans are white.) Likewise, it is not a certainty beyond possible doubt that there will be a sunrise on the morrow.

A related concept is abduction, where on a cluster of otherwise puzzling facts f1, f2 . . . fn, if E were asserted, these would all follow, so we regard the facts as [provisionally] providing support for the explanation. And as the body of facts widens, we seek the best of competing, empirically reliable, well-supported explanations. This is an inductive argument, and it is crucial to scientific, forensic, historical and many other contexts of reasoning.

In this context we may see that scientific investigations seek ever more accurate and comprehensive descriptions, set in the context of ever improved explanatory constructs . . . sometimes laws, sometimes models, sometimes theories; though such terms can be frustratingly loose in meanings. Such, should demonstrate empirical reliability through accurate predictive power, but we must recognise this is not establishment of truth beyond correction.

Abductive, inductive reasoning and the inherent provisionality of scientific theorising
Abductive, inductive reasoning and the inherent provisionality of scientific theorising

Such considerations provide crucial background for the design inference.

That inference, made in a scientific context, points to observable phenomena such as functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated information, or digitally coded functionally specific information, or fine-tuning. On a base of trillions of observations, once we are beyond a reasonable threshold of complexity [500 – 1,000 bits works] we see that consistently such results from intelligent cause and not from blind chance and/or mechanical necessity. Analysis of search space challenges on the gamut of our observed cosmos or the solar system [our effective universe for chemical level atomic interactions], suggests strongly that the reason for that is, the search challenge is too high for blind forces, but intelligently directed configuration — aka, design — readily achieves such results.

The comments in this thread show many cases in point.

At root, then, the design inference is little more than expressed willingness to trust that base of observations and its analytical context. That is, we see here inference to a general or particular conclusion on tested, empirically reliable sign.

This applies to the world of life, and to features of the observed cosmos.

NWE has a useful summary of the general conclusion, i.e. design theory:

Intelligent design (ID) is the view that it is possible to infer from empirical evidence that “certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection” [1] Intelligent design cannot be inferred from complexity alone, since complex patterns often happen by chance. ID focuses on just those sorts of complex patterns that in human experience are produced by a mind that conceives and executes a plan. According to adherents, intelligent design can be detected in the natural laws and structure of the cosmos; it also can be detected in at least some features of living things.

Greater clarity on the topic may be gained from a discussion of what ID is not considered to be by its leading theorists. Intelligent design generally is not defined the same as creationism, with proponents maintaining that ID relies on scientific evidence rather than on Scripture or religious doctrines. ID makes no claims about biblical chronology, and technically a person does not have to believe in God to infer intelligent design in nature. As a theory, ID also does not specify the identity or nature of the designer, so it is not the same as natural theology, which reasons from nature to the existence and attributes of God. ID does not claim that all species of living things were created in their present forms, and it does not claim to provide a complete account of the history of the universe or of living things.

ID also is not considered by its theorists to be an “argument from ignorance”; that is, intelligent design is not to be inferred simply on the basis that the cause of something is unknown (any more than a person accused of willful intent can be convicted without evidence). According to various adherents, ID does not claim that design must be optimal; something may be intelligently designed even if it is flawed (as are many objects made by humans).

ID may be considered to consist only of the minimal assertion that it is possible to infer from empirical evidence that some features of the natural world are best explained by an intelligent agent. It conflicts with views claiming that there is no real design in the cosmos (e.g., materialistic philosophy) or in living things (e.g., Darwinian evolution) or that design, though real, is undetectable (e.g., some forms of theistic evolution). Because of such conflicts, ID has generated considerable controversy.

Of course, apart from cosmological design thought tracing to the 1950’s and growing ever since, the modern school of thought began with Thaxton et al in the mid 80’s, then was extended across the 90’s by Dembski, Axe, Behe, Meyer and others. In the past 16 years, it has in fact created a growing body of published research. Often, in the teeth of determined opposition and outright censorship.

However, the core argument is readily accessible.

For instance, anyone who uses the Internet is familiar with coded text strings and the general causal source of such: intelligently directed configuration. Many are familiar with information processing machines that make such codes work. So, when we turn to the world of the living cell and observe similar codes and processing using molecular nanotechnology, the impression of design is overwhelming.

The design inference with a threshold of sufficient complexity that it is maximally unlikely that blind chance and/or mechanical necessity are credible as material cause, follows as a simple induction. And a strongly supported one, we have trillions of cases in point.

To test and overthrow it, it would be necessary to show that forces of blind chance and/or mechanical necessity have sufficed to create such FSCO/I per our observation.

That has never been done and in fact models for origin of cell based life and/or of major body plans have been put forth as reigning orthodoxy in spectacular violation of Newton’s common-sense rules of reasoning. Here, that we should only permit as explanatory constructs regarding things we see as traces of the remote past etc, that are shown to be capable of the like effects here and now. This prevents us from putting up metaphysical speculations without warrant that proposed causes are capable of relevant effects.

How this was done, per fair comment, was through the injection of an exclusionary rule, multiplied by a polarising prejudice.

That is, the suspicion of “the supernatural,” led to the imposition of methodological naturalism which permits only naturalistic causal explanations. So, even though blind chance and/or mechanical necessity have never been actually shown to have power to create FSCO/I beyond 500 – 1,000 bits, that is the only class of explanation allowed. For, “god of the gaps” and “the supernatural” are strictly forbidden and suspect.

(And in context it is no coincidence that the timeline for this seems to be across C19, as VJT supports in the OP above.)

Only, ever since Plato in The Laws bk X, it has been well known that another way to dichotomise causal factors is natural [= blind chance and/or mechanical necessity] vs the ART-ificial [= intelligently directed configuration]. Where, we exemplify but do not exhaust possibilities for intelligent design.

So, we need to start over, from the basics.

KF

PS: Functionally specific, complex organisation can be reduced to information content by seeing configurations as strings of y/n questions in a description language that specifies parts, arrangements and coupling in a functional network. Orgel put this on the table back in 1973.>>

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Let us reflect, again, on basics. END

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jdk, The real problem with the use of induction in science is that it is selectively applied. Scientists are only willing to apply it when they are absolutely sure that the explanation they will come up with is a naturalistic one. Excerpt from Judge Jones' ruling in the Kitzmiller trial (p. 80) on Behe's argument that the irreducible complexity seen in living things points to their having had a Designer:
Expert testimony revealed that this inductive argument is not scientific and as admitted by Professor Behe, can never be ruled out. (2:40 (Miller); 22:101 (Behe); 3:99 (Miller)). [Italics mine - VJT.]
That's the problem: that mindset. By the way, if you're inclined to think that Behe was trounced at the trial (as many people believe), then I strongly suggest you read Douglas Axe's latest book, Undeniable. I can tell you, it's the last book you'll ever have to read on ID.vjtorley
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JDK, I suggest there is an underlying unstated premise of inductive reasoning, deeply rooted in our life-experience multiplied by the now half-remembered Judaeo-Christian heritage of our civilisation: the ordered, in part intelligible cosmos rather than a chaotic confusion. In such an ordered world, we expect to find predictable patterns rather than utterly unintelligible circumstances. Then, we can identify cause-effect bonds through studying cases in point of sufficient number to gain some confidence and infer, like causes like. Then, we explore, observe, experiment with circumstances and entities. We propose ordering principles and integrate into explanatory frameworks, which we test for empirical reliability. Not just in science, but in management, in the court room, in day to day common-sense living. In fact, the premise of partially intelligible order was one of the major contributions of Christendom. This was one of the key start-points for modern science. (Confidence in an ordered and in part intelligible world reflects the theological premise in Rom 1 and other texts and contexts, that the ordering of the world without and our inner worlds jointly point to the Creator. That is why so many pioneers of modern science spoke more or less in terms of our thinking God's creative and providential thoughts after him when we set out to discover key laws of nature. Where the very term law shows the underlying context. What happened is that subsequently, once science had got going, these roots were in key parts forgotten or dismissed. It is unsurprising to then see that there is a loss of confidence in our ability to recognise ordering patterns.) Inductive logic then turns on the concept that we can recognise patterns; and, presumes that we can expect such in an orderly world. One, where even chance stochastic processes are lawlike, as statistical distributions tell us. This is one way in which observations support conclusions, and where predictive power is a sign of somehow approaching a genuine insight, or at least a reliable one. But there is never a guarantee of truth beyond dispute or doubt. Though, in many cases we find moral certainty such that we would be foolish to act other than on the confidence that a certain explanation is most credible, or that a pattern is indeed likely to be sufficiently general to trust, or that materially similar cases in certain respects will likely have similarities in other regards not actually examined so far. And yes, such means analogy is at the heart of inductive reasoning so it is unwise to simplistically dismiss it as fallacious. That something is hairy, warm-blooded and based on the quadrupedal vertebrate pattern makes it very likely that it has a four-chambered heart and associated respiratory and circulatory systems. But it is less likely that we can predict the precise pattern of reproduction, as mammals vary considerably. Which last had to be discovered, and when that first Platypus was seen, it was initially regarded as possibly a cooked up humbug. It forced a modification of our understanding of core characteristics of being a mammal. Contrast the concepts grue and bleen, by which Goodman highlighted certain challenges to inductive generalisation. Wiki gives a handy summary:
An object is grue if and only if it is observed before t and is green, or else is not so observed and is blue. An object is bleen if and only if it is observed before t and is blue, or else is not so observed and is green . . . . imagine some arbitrary future time t, say January 1, 2026. For all green things we observe up to time t, such as emeralds and well-watered grass, both the predicates green and grue apply. Likewise for all blue things we observe up to time t, such as bluebirds or blue flowers, both the predicates blue and bleen apply. On January 2, 2026, however, emeralds and well-watered grass are now bleen and bluebirds or blue flowers are now grue. Clearly, the predicates grue and bleen are not the kinds of predicates we use in everyday life or in science, but the problem is that they apply in just the same way as the predicates green and blue up until some future time t. From our current perspective (i.e., before time t), how can we say which predicates are more projectable into the future: green and blue or grue and bleen?
As a matter or argument absent the premise of order, we may well be challenged to distinguish blue and green from grue and bleen. Howbeit, the latter imply indiscernible chaos and arbitrariness; which we tend to reject absent positive evidence. Yes, we notice that there is an itch: what would be responsible for such a trigger-point and change? (We are firmly convinced, in general that changes and origin of things do not come about from nothing [= non-being], for no reason, without cause.) But, that is not empirically derived, it is due to an implicit metaphysical a priori. (And for the onlookers who are caught up in certain current forms of theistic evolutionism, this is not without relevance. Likewise for those caught up in evolutionary materialism and/or psycho-social programming.) Locke has some choice words for our generation, in the indroduction to his essay on human understanding, section 5:
Men have reason to be well satisfied with what God hath thought fit for them, since he hath given them (as St. Peter says [NB: i.e. 2 Pet 1:2 - 4]) pana pros zoen kaieusebeian, whatsoever is necessary for the conveniences of life and information of virtue; and has put within the reach of their discovery, the comfortable provision for this life, and the way that leads to a better. How short soever their knowledge may come of an universal or perfect comprehension of whatsoever is, it yet secures their great concernments [Prov 1: 1 - 7], that they have light enough to lead them to the knowledge of their Maker, and the sight of their own duties [cf Rom 1 - 2 & 13, Ac 17, Jn 3:19 - 21, Eph 4:17 - 24, Isaiah 5:18 & 20 - 21, Jer. 2:13, Titus 2:11 - 14 etc, etc]. Men may find matter sufficient to busy their heads, and employ their hands with variety, delight, and satisfaction, if they will not boldly quarrel with their own constitution, and throw away the blessings their hands are filled with, because they are not big enough to grasp everything . . . It will be no excuse to an idle and untoward servant [Matt 24:42 - 51], who would not attend his business by candle light, to plead that he had not broad sunshine. The Candle that is set up in us [Prov 20:27] shines bright enough for all our purposes . . . If we will disbelieve everything [--> or those things that we find it inconvenient to acknowledge, through being selectively hyperskeptical], because we cannot certainly know all things, we shall do muchwhat as wisely as he who would not use his legs, but sit still and perish, because he had no wings to fly. [Text references added to document the sources of Locke's allusions and citations.]
the point is plain, our confidence in inductive reasoning points to an ordered world, raising the issue, whence cometh such lawlike order? KF PS: And yes, this is the exact opposite of methodological naturalism, which anachronistically imposes natural-ISM on the roots of modern science (as VJT highlighted in the previous post linked in the OP above).kairosfocus
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That's interesting. However, and I wonder if you agree, it seems to me that the fact that some philosophers have issues with induction doesn't really negate the fact that for all practical purposes, science proceeds by using inductive reasoning based on multiple observations. Your thoughts?jdk
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jdk, FYI, Karl Popper wrote: "Induction, i.e. inference based on many observations, is a myth. It is neither a psychological fact, nor a fact of ordinary life, nor one of scientific procedure." (Conjectures and Refutations, Routledge Classics, 1963, p. 53. ISBN 0-06-131376-9.) And philosopher Larry Laudan uses a pessimistic meta-inductive argument to reject the view that science is converging on truth, in his essay, "A Confutation of Convergent Realism", Philosophy of Science, Vol. 48, No. 1, (Mar. 1981): 19-49.vjtorley
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daveS @15
Playing the role of the materialist, if the robot was something resembling C3PO, for example, I would conclude that it was manufactured (and therefore designed) somehow.
The physical dimension of life is self-replicating, digital-information-based nanotechnology the functional complexity of which is light years beyond our robotic technology. We don't have self-replicating robots, but if we did, no rational person would assume such robots came about mindlessly and accidentally. Yet many irrationally assume that life, which is far more advanced technology than our robotics -- and therefore far more unlikely than anything like our robotics to come about mindlessly and accidentally -- came about just that way. They do this because they lack the relentless objectivity that true science requires, which allows them to irrationally cling to their materialism in spite of the overwhelming evidence provided by the discoveries of modern science that indicate that there are indeed non-material realities, including incorporeal intelligent agents. I listed these discoveries in a post as user harry on the Biologos web site here: https://discourse.biologos.org/t/why-science-uses-methodological-naturalism/5441/60 One final thought: It is silly to insist that what one has no idea how to do intentionally could come about mindlessly and accidentally. It is not like we know how to build a crude version of life consisting of a tiny package that when planted in the ground develops into a tree-sized object that manufactures more tiny packages that will do the same thing. We are nowhere close to doing anything like that -- we have no idea how to do any such thing -- yet many insist that such a system could come about accidentally. Such assertions have no evidentiary basis whatsoever. They simply reflect what one wants to be true and do not have any foundation in science or even in reality.harry
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J-Mac, Can you find a picture online of the sort of robot you have in mind? And what materials are we talking about? Playing the role of the materialist, if the robot was something resembling C3PO, for example, I would conclude that it was manufactured (and therefore designed) somehow.daveS
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My favorite example of ID inference is this example that I actually dreamed about to a certain degree... I fly to an unknown planet and find a desert-like place. But in a sand-like pile I dig out something resembling a human-made-robot. Upon further examination I find out that the robot isn't human made because the materials it is made of are not found on the Earth at all. What should be my conclusion about the origin of the robot-like-thingy? What would materialist say about it's origins?J-Mac
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Part of why we need this 101: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016/07/perfect_illustr102994.htmlkairosfocus
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kf writes,
But on balance, inductive reasoning is absolutely important, legitimate and reasonable
Yes, I totally agree with that, and believe that it is a foundational principle (as stated in the 2006 KS Science Standards) of how science is understood to be practiced. So that is settled as far as I am concerned,jdk
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JDK, you will just have to take it -- rejection of inductive reasoning as is typically understood -- as a given of experience here at UD with Kantians and Popperians of various stripes and fellow travellers, with a dash or two of Hume etc. But remember, we live in an age where many reject self-evident first principles of right reason rooted in distinct identity to the point where that is in the UD weak argument correctives for cause. Maybe a site search will turn up some of the debates. But I suspect it will be far more profitable to go to discussions of inductive reasoning at Stanford Enc of Phil or Internet Enc of Phil (which is linked from the OP; try here: http://www.iep.utm.edu/conf-ind/ ). Even something so seemingly trivial as speaking of ravens and swans above is connected to that wider discussion. I add, look up the inductive turkey by Russell. But on balance, inductive reasoning is absolutely important, legitimate and reasonable. KFkairosfocus
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DS, First, we do not ever know who is lurking or may be inclined to triumphalistically pounce here at UD. Not to mention there is a penumbra of attack sites and there are those inclined to pick things up later on . . . often, on the projection those ignoramus IDiots don't know about X, so a responsible post will need to cover key issues that are not obviously in play. Likewise, there are some in our audience who may well need a 101, back to basics; which also just happens to lay out the basis for the design inference. As to natural vs supernatural, as opposed to the natural [= blind chance and/or mechanical necessity] vs the ART-ificial [= intelligently directed cause, cf Plato The Laws Bk X], that is a key component of the imposition of methodological naturalism, god of gaps claims and the like. These too have to be addressed to deal with the issue at stake. Namely, the design inference is an inductive inference to intelligent cause as material factor, per empirically reliable signs and following abductive inference to the best current explanation. Which is a common pattern of reasoning of inductive character used in science and many other contexts. That needs to be recognised, understood, clarified, acknowledged. Too often, debate talking points directed against design thought pivot on misunderstanding, rejecting, distorting or denying this very basic and almost trivial point. But being almost trivial does not prevent being critically significant. KFkairosfocus
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So you can't/won't actually show me a place where someone "actually outright reject[s] inductive reasoning" as central to science - true?jdk
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JDK, we have had several rather involved exchanges here at UD on the subject; some of these in the context of objections to design thought. I suggest, you will find discussions of the problem of induction etc online; on balance, in my view, the debates do not undermine the utility and significance of empirically grounded arguments for which key claims and facts support but do not prove conclusions. KFkairosfocus
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KF,
Many are not in the same boat — some actually outright reject inductive reasoning. Which I think, for cause, is futile.
Really? I mean I know there are philosophical issues with it, but I wasn't aware that anyone in this discussion was especially skeptical regarding induction. [I'm slow writing this, and see jdk is asking the same question first]. As to the MN issue, I'm not a methodological naturalist, but of course I'm not a scientist either, so my opinion probably doesn't mean much. Can we simply set aside the natural/supernatural distinction? IIRC, drawing a sharp line between natural and supernatural events can be problematic, so why not avoid the issue for as long as possible?daveS
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kf:
some actually outright reject inductive reasoning.
Can you name someone? As the Ks Science Standards pointed out, a key principle of science is that it uses inductive reasoning. So please document your claim that "some actually outright reject inductive reasoning."jdk
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DS, good for you. Many are not in the same boat -- some actually outright reject inductive reasoning. Which I think, for cause, is futile. Others seem to misunderstand how it works, and fail to see how a design inference could be an application of inductive reasoning, per empirically reliable sign. The onward issue is the imposition of evolutionary materialistic scientism on the definition of science and its methods. Where, the design inference is then often dismissed as violating science. The NSTA Board's declaration of July 2000 gives an insight as to how this often comes about:
The principal product of science is knowledge in the form of naturalistic concepts and the laws and theories related to those concepts [--> ideological imposition of a priori evolutionary materialistic scientism, aka natural-ISM; this is of course self-falsifying at the outset] . . . . [S]cience, along with its methods, explanations and generalizations, must be the sole focus of instruction in science classes to the exclusion of all non-scientific or pseudoscientific [--> loaded word that cannot be properly backed up due to failure of demarcation arguments] methods, explanations, generalizations and products [--> declaration of intent to ideologically censor education materials] . . . . Although no single universal step-by-step scientific method captures the complexity of doing science, a number of shared values and perspectives characterize a scientific approach to understanding nature. Among these are a demand for naturalistic explanations supported by empirical evidence that are, at least in principle, testable against the natural world. Other shared elements include observations, rational argument, inference, skepticism, peer review and replicability of work [--> undermined by the question-begging ideological imposition and associated censorship] . . . . Science, by definition, is limited to naturalistic methods and explanations and, as such, is precluded from using supernatural elements [--> question-begging false dichotomy, the proper contrast for empirical investigations is the natural (chance and/or necessity) vs the ART-ificial, through design . . . cf UD's weak argument correctives 17 - 19, here] in the production of scientific knowledge.
The OP is not setting up and knocking over a strawman. Here, there really be dragons. KFkairosfocus
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KF,
In the current VJT thread on 31 scientists who did not follow methodological naturalism, it has been noteworthy that objectors have studiously avoided addressing the basic warrant for the design inference.
If I count as an objector, let me clarify that I have no problems with inductive or abductive reasoning. I also don't think ID is necessarily unscientific. In fact, I can't recall every making any general argments against ID per se. I do occasionally try and point out problems with what I believe are specific fallacious arguments for ID of course.daveS
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D, let us see if the objectors will continue to studiously ignore fundamental issues; or, whether the first things will be pondered first. Never mind, not spectacular, this is the foundational issue on the merits. KFkairosfocus
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Timely OP. Thank you.Dionisio
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Back to Basics of ID: Induction, scientific reasoning and the design inferencekairosfocus
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