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Chapter 6, “Is God Really Good?” of my new Wipf and Stock book Christianity for Doubters is almost the same as the “Epilogue” of my 2015 Discovery Institute Press book In the Beginning and Other Essays on Intelligent Design. What does the problem of pain have to do with intelligent design? A lot, I think, because after 40 years of promoting intelligent design, it is obvious to me that many of the strongest opponents of design, for all their talk about defending science, are completely immune to scientific arguments, they will never look objectively at the scientific evidence until they can find answers to some very legitimate theological questions they have, three of which I try to address in chapters 4,5 and especially in chapter 6 of the new book: if life is designed, why is it so hard?

The publisher’s flyer with preface and chapter 1 are here. See also sections 2.1, Why Evolution is Different, and 2.3, Why Similarities Do Not Prove the Absence of Design. (All used with permission of Wipf and Stock Publishers.)

6.1 Is God Really Good?

Why do bad things happen to good people? This is the question which Rabbi Harold Kushner, in his highly-acclaimed 1981 book When Bad Things Happen to Good People called “the only question which really matters” to his congregation. It is a question which has been asked by philosophers and ordinary human beings throughout the ages; if not the most-asked question, certainly the most passionately-asked. It was certainly the first question that occurred to me in 1987 when I was told that my beloved wife Melissa, 34 years old and the mother of our two small children (Chris and Kevin), had cancer of the nose and sinuses, and in 1990 when we discovered that the cancer had recurred. The suffering she bravely endured during those years was beyond description, from the aggressive chemotherapy treatments, each of which required hospitalization for severe nausea and other side effects, from the radiation therapy, and from three major surgeries. Before the last surgery, during which they would remove her left eye and half of her teeth, she said, well, many people would be happy to have one eye. The cancer recurred two months after this surgery and I was terribly depressed for many years after her death. Since I am a pretty logical person, it never occurred to me to ask “does God really exist?” but I certainly wondered, “is God really good?”

Melissa Wehmann Sewell (1953-1991)
Melissa Wehmann Sewell (1953-1991)

I think most people who claim not to believe in God, say this not because of any shortage of evidence for design in Nature, but because it is sometimes so hard to see evidence that God cares about us, and they prefer not to believe in God at all, than to believe in a God who doesn’t care.

Of course, Christians point to the life and death of Jesus as the ultimate proof that God does care about us, because he came to live and suffer with us. Jesus asked the same question we have all asked at some time in our lives: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” But while it is comforting to think that, despite all evidence to the contrary, God really does care about us, that still does not explain why the world God made is sometimes so cruel.

A wonderful little article in UpReach [Nov-Dec 1984] by Batsell Barrett Baxter, entitled “Is God Really Good?” contains some insights into the “problem of pain,” as C.S. Lewis calls it, which I have found very useful. I will follow Baxter’s outline in presenting my own thoughts on this question, and I would like to begin with his conclusion: “As I have faced the tragedy of evil in our world and have tried to analyze its origin, I have come to the conclusion that it was an inevitable accompaniment of our greatest blessings and benefits.” In his outline, Baxter lists some examples of blessings which have, as inevitable consequences, unhappy side effects. None of these points is likely to make suffering in its severest forms any easier to accept, and we may be left wondering whether these blessings are really worth the high cost. But I believe they do at least point us in the right direction.

6.2 The Regularity of Natural Law

The laws of Nature which God has made work together to create a magnificent world of mountains and rivers, jungles and waterfalls, oceans and forests, animals and plants. The basic laws of physics are cleverly designed to create conditions on Earth suitable for human life and human development. Gravity prevents us and our belongings from floating off into space; water makes our crops grow; the fact that certain materials are combustible makes it possible to cook our food and stay warm in winter. Yet gravity, water and fire are responsible for many tragedies, such as airplane crashes, drownings and chemical plant explosions. Tragedies such as floods and automobile accidents are the results of laws of physics which, viewed as a whole, are magnificently designed and normally work for our benefit. Nearly everything in Nature which is harmful to man has also a benevolent side, or is the result of a good thing gone bad. Even pain and fear themselves sometimes have useful purposes: pain may warn us that something in our body needs attention, and without fear, we would all die young doing foolish and dangerous things, or kill ourselves the first time life disappoints us.

"...a magnificant world, of mountains and rivers, jungles and waterfalls..."
“…a magnificant world, of mountains and rivers, jungles and waterfalls…”

But why won’t God protect us from the bad side effects of Nature? Why doesn’t he overrule the laws of Nature when they work against us? Why is he so “silent” during our most difficult and heart-breaking moments? First of all, if we assume he has complete control over Nature, we are assuming much more than we have a right to assume. It does not necessarily follow that, because something is designed, it can never break down. We design cars, and yet they don’t always function as designed. When our car breaks down, we don’t conclude that the designer planned for it to break down, nor do we conclude that it had no designer; when the human body breaks down, we should not jump to the conclusion that God planned the illness, nor should we conclude that the body had no designer.

That we were designed by a fantastically intelligent super intellect is a conclusion which is easily drawn from the evidence all around us. To jump from this to the conclusion that this creator can control everything is quite a leap. In fact, I find it easy to draw the opposite conclusion from the evidence, that this creator cannot, or at least does not, control everything. Nearly everyone seems to assume that if you attribute anything to God, you have to attribute everything to God. And even if we assume he has complete control over Nature it is hard to see how he could satisfy everyone. Your crops are dry so you pray for rain—but I am planning a picnic. It seems more fair to let Nature take its course and hope we learn to adapt. Controlling the motions of all the atoms in the world so that nothing terrible ever happens to us, so that we always get what we most need, is probably not as easy as it sounds!

In any case, what would life be like if the laws of Nature were not reliable? What if God could and did stand by to intervene on our behalf every time we needed him? We would then be spared all of life’s disappointments and failures, and life would certainly be less dangerous, but let us think about what life would be like in a world where nothing could ever go wrong.

I enjoy climbing mountains—small ones. I recently climbed an 8,700 foot peak in the Guadalupe Mountains National Park and was hot and exhausted, but elated, when I finished the climb. Later I heard a rumor that the Park Service was considering building a cable car line to the top, and I was horrified. Why was I horrified—that would make it much easier for me to reach the peak? Because, of course, the pleasure I derived from climbing that peak did not come simply from reaching the top—it came from knowing that I had faced a challenge and overcome it. Since riding in a cable car requires no effort, it is impossible to fail to reach the top, and thus taking a cable car to the peak brings no sense of accomplishment. Even if I went up the hard way again, just knowing that I could have ridden the cable car would cheapen my accomplishment.

When we think about it, we see in other situations that achieving a goal brings satisfaction only if effort is required, and only if the danger of failure is real. And if the danger of failure is real, sometimes we will fail.

When we prepare for an athletic contest, we know what the rules are and we plan our strategy accordingly. We work hard, physically and mentally, to get ready for the game. If we win, we are happy knowing that we played fairly, followed the rules, and achieved our goal. Of course we may lose, but what satisfaction would we derive from winning a game whose rules are constantly being modified to make sure we win? It is impossible to experience the thrill of victory without risking the agony of defeat. How many fans would attend a football game whose participants are just actors, acting out a script which calls for the home team to win? We would all rather go to a real game and risk defeat.

Life is a real game, not a rigged one. We know what the rules are, and we plan accordingly. We know that the laws of Nature and of life do not bend at our every wish, and it is precisely this knowledge which makes our achievements meaningful. If the rules of Nature were constantly modified to make sure we achieved our goals—whether they involve proving Fermat’s Last Theorem, getting a book published, finding a cure for Alzheimer’s disease, earning a college degree, or making a small business work—we would derive no satisfaction from reaching those goals. If the rules were even occasionally bent, we would soon realize that the game was rigged, and just knowing that the rules were flexible would cheapen all our accomplishments. Perhaps I should say, “if we were aware that the rules were being bent,” because I do believe that God has intervened in human and natural history at times in the past, and I would like to believe he still intervenes in human affairs, and even answers prayers, on occasions, but the rules at least appear to us to be inflexible.

If great works of art, music, literature, or science could be realized without great effort, and if success in such endeavors were guaranteed, the works of Michelangelo, Mozart, Shakespeare and Newton would not earn much admiration. If it were possible to realize great engineering projects without careful study, clever planning and hard work, or without running any risk of failure, mankind would feel no satisfaction in having built the Panama Canal or having sent a man to the moon. And if the dangers Columbus faced in sailing into uncharted waters were not real, we would not honor him as a brave explorer. Scientific and technological progress are only made through great effort and careful study, and not every scientist or inventor is fortunate enough to leave his mark, but anyone who thinks God would be doing us a favor by dropping a book from the sky with all the answers in it does not understand human nature very well—that would take all the fun out of discovery. If the laws of Nature were more easily circumvented, life would certainly be less frustrating and less dangerous, but also less challenging and less interesting.

Many of the tragedies, failures and disappointments which afflict mankind are inevitable consequences of laws of Nature and of life which, viewed as a whole, are magnificently designed and normally work for our benefit. And it is because we know these laws are reliable, and do not bend to satisfy our needs, that our greatest achievements have meaning.

6.3 The Freedom of Man’s Will

I believe, however, that the unhappiness in this world attributable to “acts of God” (more properly called “acts of Nature”) is small compared to the unhappiness which we inflict on each other. Reform the human spirit and you have solved the problems of drug addiction, drunk driving, war, broken marriages, child abuse, neglect of the elderly, crime, corruption and racial hatred. I suspect that many (not all, of course) of the problems which we generally blame on circumstances beyond our control are really caused by, or aggravated by, man—or at least could be prevented if we spent as much time trying to solve the world’s problems as we spend in hedonistic pursuits.

God has given us, on this Earth, the tools and resources necessary to construct, not a paradise, but something not too far from it. I am convinced that the majority of the things which make us most unhappy are the direct or indirect result of the sins and errors of people. Often, unfortunately, it is not the guilty person who suffers.

But our evil actions are also the inevitable result of one of our highest blessings—our free will. C.S. Lewis, in Mere Christianity, says,

Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having…. Someone once asked me, ‘Why did God make a creature of such rotten stuff that it went wrong?’ The better stuff a creature is made of—the cleverer and stronger and freer it is—then the better it will be if it goes right, but also the worse it will be if it goes wrong.

Why do a husband and wife decide to have a child? A toy doll requires much less work, and does not throw a temper tantrum every time you make him take a bath or go to bed. A stuffed animal would be much less likely to mark on the walls with a crayon, or gripe about a meal which took hours to prepare. But most parents feel that the bad experiences in raising a real child are a price worth paying for the rewards—the hand-made valentine he brings home from school, and the “I love you” she whispers as she gives her mother and father a good night kiss. They recognize that the same free will which makes a child more difficult to take care of than a stuffed animal also makes him more interesting. This must be the way our Creator feels about us. The freedom which God has given to us results, as an inevitable consequence, in many headaches for him and for ourselves, but it is precisely this freedom which makes us more interesting than the other animals. God must feel that the headaches are a price worth paying: he has not taken back our free will, despite all the evil we have done. Why are there concentration camps in the world that God created? How could the Christian church sponsor the Crusades and the Inquisition? These terribly hard questions have a simple answer: because God gave us all a free will.

Jesus told a parable about “wheat and tares,” (Matthew 13) which seems to teach that the weeds of sin and sorrow cannot be eliminated from the Earth without destroying the soil of human freedom from which the wheat of joy and goodness also springs. It is impossible to rid the world of the sorrow caused by pride, selfishness and hatred without eliminating the free will which is also the source of all the unselfishness and love that there is in the world.

If we base our view of mankind on what we see on the television news, we may feel that good and evil are greatly out of balance today; that there is much more pain than joy in the world, and much more evil than goodness. It is true that the amount of pain which exists in our world is overwhelming, but so is the amount of happiness. And if we look more closely at the lives of those around us, we will see that the soil of human freedom still produces wheat as well as weeds. The dark night of Nazi Germany gave birth to the heroism of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Corrie ten Boom and many others. The well-known play “The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds” is about two sisters raised by a bitter mother who suffocates ambition and discourages education. One sister ends up following the path to destruction taken by her mother; the other refuses to be trapped by her environment, and rises above it. It may seem at times that our world is choking on the weeds of pain and evil, but if we look closely we will see that wheat is still growing here.

Again we conclude that evil and unhappiness are the inevitable by-products of one of our most priceless blessings: our human free will.

6.4 The Interdependence of Human Lives

Since it is our human free will which makes our relationships with others meaningful, his third point is closely related to the second, but Baxter nevertheless considers this point to be important enough to merit separate consideration.

Much of an individual’s suffering is the direct or indirect result of the actions or misfortunes of others. Much of our deepest pain is the result of loneliness caused by the loss of the love or the life of a loved one, or of the strain of a bad relationship. How much suffering could be avoided if only we were “islands, apart to ourselves.” Then at least we would suffer only for our own actions, and feel only our own misfortunes. The interdependence of human life is certainly the cause of much unhappiness.

Yet here again, this sorrow is the inevitable result of one of our greatest blessings. The pain which comes from separation is in proportion to the joy which the relationship provided. Friction between friends is a source of grief, but friendship is the source of much joy. Bad marriages and strained parent-child relationships are responsible for much of the unhappiness in the modern world, but none of the other joys of life compare to those which can be experienced in a happy home. Although real love is terribly hard to find, anyone who has experienced it—as I did for a few short years—will agree that the male-female relationship is truly a masterpiece of design, when it works as it was intended to work.

As Baxter writes, “I am convinced that our greatest blessings come from the love which we give to others and the love which we receive from others. Without this interconnectedness, life would be barren and largely meaningless. The avoidance of all contact with other human beings might save us some suffering, but it would cost us the greatest joys and pleasures of life.”

6.5 The Value of Imperfect Conditions

We have thus far looked at suffering as a by-product of our blessings and not a blessing in itself. And certainly it is difficult to see anything good in suffering in its severest forms.

Nevertheless, we cannot help but notice that some suffering is necessary to enable us to experience life in its fullest, and to bring us to a closer relationship with God. Often it is through suffering that we experience the love of God, and discover the love of family and friends, in deepest measure. The man who has never experienced any setbacks or disappointments invariably is a shallow person, while one who has suffered is usually better able to empathize with others. Some of the closest and most beautiful relationships occur between people who have suffered similar sorrows.

It has been argued that most of the great works of literature, art and music were the products of suffering. One whose life has led him to expect continued comfort and ease is not likely to make the sacrifices necessary to produce anything of great and lasting value.

Of course, beyond a certain point pain and suffering lose their positive value. Even so, the human spirit is amazing for its resilience, and many people have found cause to thank God even in seemingly unbearable situations. While serving time in a Nazi concentration camp for giving sanctuary to Jews, Betsie ten Boom told her sister, “We must tell people what we have learned here. We must tell them that there is no pit so deep that God is not deeper still. They will listen to us, Corrie, because we have been here.”

In a letter to our children composed after she realized she had lost her battle with cancer, Melissa wrote:

While I no longer feel physically normal…in an odd sort of way, I feel even more human. I have seen and felt more suffering by myself and others around me in the last few years than I probably ever would have. I have seen children still in strollers hooked up to IV chemotherapy and young children, my own children’s ages, with monstrous tumors bulging from their necks. In the face of this unjust tragedy, they still had a sweet innocent smile on their faces. I have talked with young women and men my own age who are struggling with the reality of leaving their young children and spouses long before their responsibilities of parenthood are completed.

I have also discovered a deepness in relationships with others that I probably never would have otherwise cultivated…. I have seen the compassion and love of others towards me. I have witnessed how good and true and caring the human spirit can be. I have learned much about love from others during these times.

We might add that not only the person who suffers, but also those who minister to his needs, are provided with opportunities for growth and development.

C.S. Lewis concludes his essay on The Problem of Pain by saying “Pain provides an opportunity for heroism; the opportunity is seized with surprising frequency.” As Baxter put it: “The problems, imperfections and challenges which our world contains give us opportunities for growth and development which would otherwise be impossible.”

6.6 Conclusions

In Brave New World, Aldous Huxley paints a picture of a futuristic Utopian society which has succeeded, through totalitarian controls on human behavior and drugs designed to stimulate pleasant emotions and to repress undesirable ones, in banishing all traces of pain and unpleasantness. There remains one “savage” who has not adapted to the new civilization, however, and his refusal to take his pills results in the following interchange between “Savage” and his “civilized” interrogators:

“We prefer to do things comfortably,” said the Controller.

“But I don’t want comfort, I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin.”

“In fact,” said Mustopha Mond, “you’re claiming the right to be unhappy.”

“Alright then,” said the Savage defiantly, “I’m claiming the right to be unhappy.”

If God designed this world as a tourist resort where man could rest in comfort and ease, it is certainly a dismal failure. But I believe, with Savage, that man was created for greater things. That is why, I believe, this world presents us with such an inexhaustible array of puzzles in mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology and philosophy to challenge and entertain us, and provides us with so many opportunities for creativity and achievement in music, literature, art, athletics, business, technology and other pursuits; and why there are always new worlds to discover, from the mountains and jungles of South America and the flora and fauna of Africa, to the era of dinosaurs and the surface of Mars, and the astonishing world of microbiology.

Why does God remain backstage, hidden from view, working behind the scenes while we act out our parts in the human drama? This question has lurked just below the surface throughout much of this book, and now perhaps we finally have an answer. If he were to walk out onto the stage, and take on a more direct and visible role, I suppose he could clean up our act, and rid the world of pain and evil—and doubt. But our human drama would be turned into a divine puppet show, and it would cost us some of our greatest blessings: the regularity of natural law which makes our achievements meaningful; the free will which makes us more interesting than robots; the love which we can receive from and give to others; and even the opportunity to grow and develop through suffering. I must confess that I still often wonder if the blessings are worth the terrible price, but God has chosen to create a world where both good and evil can flourish, rather than one where neither can exist. He has chosen to create a world of greatness and infamy, of love and hatred, and of joy and pain, rather than one of mindless robots or unfeeling puppets.

Batsell Barrett Baxter, who was dying of cancer as he wrote these words, concludes: “When one sees all of life and understands the reasons behind life’s suffering, I believe he will agree with the judgment which God himself declared in the Genesis story of creation: ‘And God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good.'”

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BA77 10 "In other words, with God, everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that happens has a purpose for why it happens, regardless of the fact that we, in our finite abilities, can find no reason for why a particular tragedy might have happened." So when Jesus condemned those who harm children, stating that it would have been better for them not to have been born, and comparing their fate to having a millstone put around their necks and cast into the sea, he was really condemning God? When God told Adam not to eat of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, he actually made sure Adam did so? When God told Israel not to worship false gods, lest they be defeated and enslaved, He purposed that they do exactly that? Of such a supreme being, I must agree with Baudelaire: "If there is a God, He is the Devil." Fortunately, that is not the God that the Bible describes.anthropic
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God is an atheist.Seversky
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Is God really Good? He's certainly better than any atheist.EvilSnack
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Pindi wrote: 1. no, a good father would never impose suffering on his children in the interests of discipline. Well, there is always some kind of suffering if a restriction is imposed. Usually it involves mental suffering but that's what a good father would do to correct his children... How about if children's friends were scheming to kill someone? Wouldn't you discipline them and restricted the association? What kind of suffering would that be? 2. no surgical procedure should involve suffering. That’s what anaesthetics are for. Note for auto’s benefit, this is my opinion.. Any surgical procedure involves suffering. You probably have never had one, that's why you don't get it. There is the mental part of suffering before the surgery: Anxiety There is the physical part of suffering: after surgery-pain, discomfort, lack of sleep, lack of appetite and so on... It is a measure of suffering you probably have no idea about...J-Mac
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I once saw a film in a physics class that had four people sitting on wooden chairs around a square wooden table. One person tried to roll a wooden ball to the person sitting across from them, however the ball curved and was caught by the person seated to the left. In turn, that person tried to roll the ball to the person across from them, but the ball again curved to the person on their left. And so on. The instructor stopped the film and asked for possible explanations. No, there weren't any magnets. No, the table was level. No, there weren't any grooves in the table. No, there wasn't anything spinning within the ball. After we'd given up, the instructor started the film again. We watched as the camera angle changed, revealing that the entire arrangement was sitting on a large rotating platform. The ball was traveling in a straight line---it was the table that was rotating underneath it. I never forgot the lesson---neither the one in physics nor the one in our incomplete perceptions of God, and what's going on behind the scenes. -QQuerius
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J-Mac: My answers: 1. no, a good father would never impose suffering on his children in the interests of discipline. 2. no surgical procedure should involve suffering. That's what anaesthetics are for. Note for auto's benefit, this is my opinion..Pindi
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This is a very complex issue for most... I'm going to ask 2 questions to make my point... hopefully... 1. Is a father good if he implements discipline that could make his children suffer to a degree to correct them? 2. Is a father good if he allows his children to suffer through a surgical procedure so that hey can get better?J-Mac
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Dear Dr. Granville Sewell, Allow me to play the Devil's Advocate here: You make the point that we cannot assume that God is in complete control of nature. However, God is not the creator of nature in the way a watchmaker is the creator of that watch -- every particle on matter is at every moment directly sustained by the active causal power of God. This view is biblical, but it can also be proven via philosophical proofs such as the arguments from motion, efficient causality, contingency, gradations of perfection and teleology (by which I mean Aristotelian, not Paleyian teleology). Given that God is the cause of all being, everything lives and moves and has its being in Him and through Him. Regarding your point that our suffering is a consequence of the inexorable laws of nature, I would point out that they're due to chance rather than necessity. Earthquakes or tsunamis, for example, are ultimately due to chancy, chaotic, random behaviour of the matter in the earth's mantle. Similarly, floods and droughts are due to chancy, random behaviours of the atmosphere. Regarding free will, one might object that God can prevent the exercise of some choices freely willed, without this going against our ability to will. For example, a policeman who would prevent a man from mugging an old woman is preventing that man's exercise of his free choice to rob, but he's not abolishing his ability to decide to make that choice. Why does not God intervene likewise? Finally, while a thinking individual might prefer pathos and suffering to having one's senses dulled with drugs, one can indeed have freedom and adventure without the absurd suffering we experience in the world. Don't the saints in heaven delight in God and continue to have freedom, even though they no longer suffer? Is this not what we're promised at the eschaton? If the end state is for God to wipe every tear from every eye and destroy death, the enemy of mankind, why is there death at all? Mind you, I'm merely being the Devil's Advocate here. I have answers to these questions, but I'm afraid we might have to jettison the theodicy you present.Autodidaktos
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Where do these creatures of light come from? (Mung comment #2) I'll tell you another story. One day at church in Austin, Melissa noticed her best friend was quietly sobbing during much of the service, afterward Melissa approached her and asked what was she crying about. Her friend said she was crying because Melissa had to go to M.D.Andersen that week and have her eye (and much of her face) removed. Melissa spent a good while trying to comfort her friend. One of the reasons I wrote this book (not the only reason of course) was as a tribute to Melissa, 25 years late. I have been very disappointed by sales (though of the few people who have read it, many have told me they really, really like it). But no doubt more people will read this column than will buy the book, so I can honor her here at least.Granville Sewell
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Of related interest to the tragedy of death and the hope that is found in faith: Both Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln were born on the same day and shared many strange similarities in their lives,
“Both men lost their mothers in early childhood, both suffered depression and both struggled with religious questions. The two also had poor relations with their fathers and each lost a child in early childbirth. Lincoln and Darwin both share “late bloomers” disease: Neither found real success until their middle years — Darwin published The Origin of the Species at 50 and Lincoln was elected President one year later.” http://www.tressugar.com/Lincoln-Darwin-More-Alike-Than-Youd-Might-Think-1757730
,,,but the one common thing they shared that separated the two men drastically was the way they choose to handle the pain that happened in their lives. Darwin, though drifting away from God for a long while, was permanently driven away from God because of what he perceived to be the 'unjust' death of his daughter,,
“The death of his daughter was a significant event in Darwin’s life, and certainly consolidated his belief that a bad world is incompatible with a good God.” http://askjohnmackay.com/questions/answer/darwin-did-death-charles-daughter-annie-turn-him-against-god-christianity
(In fact, in Origin of Species, instead of relying on scientific evidence, as is popularly believed, Darwin relies primarily on faulty Theodicy to try to make the case for evolution).
Charles Darwin, Theologian: Major New Article on Darwin's Use of Theology in the Origin of Species - May 6, 2011 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/05/charles_darwin_theologian_majo046391.html
Whereas Lincoln, on the other hand, was driven from his mild skepticism towards God into a deep reliance upon God because of the death of his son.
Abraham Lincoln’s Path to Divine Providence Excerpt: In 1862, when Lincoln was 53 years old, his 11-year-old son Willie died. Lincoln’s wife “tried to deal with her grief by searching out New Age mediums.” Lincoln turned to Phineas Gurley, pastor of the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington. Several long talks led to what Gurley described as “a conversion to Christ.” Lincoln confided that he was “driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I have nowhere else to go.” Similarly, the horrors of the dead and wounded soldiers assaulted him daily. There were fifty hospitals for the wounded in Washington. The rotunda of the Capitol held 2,000 cots for wounded soldiers. Typically, fifty soldiers a day died in these temporary hospitals. All of this drove Lincoln deeper into the providence of God. “We cannot but believe, that He who made the world still governs it.” His most famous statement about the providence of God in relation to the Civil War was his Second Inaugural Address, given a month before he was assassinated. It is remarkable for not making God a simple supporter for the Union or Confederate cause. He has his own purposes and does not excuse sin on either side. “Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war might speedily pass away…. Yet if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man’s two hundred years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid with another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago so still it must be said, “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.” http://www.christianity.com/theology/abraham-lincolns-path-to-divine-providence-11599728.html
Verse and Music:
Luke 23:39-43 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”  But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence?  We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Need You Now - Plumb - live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGIumjD6I3M
Of supplemental note to God's sovereignty and the problem of pain:
“He did not conquer in spite of the dark mystery of evil. He conquered through it.” ~James Stewart~ ——————————— “It is a glorious phrase of the New Testament, that ‘he led captivity captive.’ The very triumphs of His foes, it means, he used for their defeat. He compelled their dark achievements to sub-serve his end, not theirs. They nailed him to the tree, not knowing that by that very act they were bringing the world to his feet. They gave him a cross, not guessing that he would make it a throne. They flung him outside the gates to die, not knowing that in that very moment they were lifting up all the gates of the universe, to let the King of Glory come in. They thought to root out his doctrines, not understanding that they were implanting imperishably in the hearts of men the very name they intended to destroy. They thought they had defeated God with His back (to) the wall, pinned and helpless and defeated: they did not know that it was God Himself who had tracked them down. He did not conquer in spite of the dark mystery of evil. He conquered through it.” James Stewart (1896–1990) was a minister of the Church of Scotland —————- https://christcenteredteaching.wordpress.com/category/james-stewart/
Supplemental note on the hope of life after death:
Surprising Evidence for God: Near Death-Experiences by Sean McDowell - August 23, 2016 Excerpt: To put it simply, I was stunned at both the quantity and quality of cases that pose a challenge for naturalism. My experience is not unique. In Near-Death Experiences, J. Steve Miller observes: “It’s important to note that most of these [NDE] researchers don’t come across as heralding their pet theological or philosophical positions. Most that I read began their research doubting that NDE’s involved anything spiritual but became convinced by the weight of the evidence.”[ii] http://seanmcdowell.org/blog/surprising-evidence-for-god-near-death-experiences
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Thank you, Granville.Origenes
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Life is designed for Gods' purposes. We are a physical demonstration of spiritual principles. The great promise is that there will be justice for all and another life. This life is all about 'the choice'. What we tie ourselves to here will affect our eternal destiny (my summation) With out this in mind (at least as an option) then it is very easy to raise accusations against God I have a daughter (four yeas old). When I discipline her or deny her something, I see her tears and yet I expect her to realise (at some point) that there is a purpose behind my actions and I expect her to trust in my good intentions even though I am denying her the thing she wants with all her heart at that particular point in her life. Yet I also know she can not see past the end of her own nose and can not see what I see. She just has to trust me. And yet what if she were to start shouting 'you are evil for doing this to me' what could she know or understand about my motives, does that make me evil just because she accuses me? I think we are like children in this life, we do not know enough to be making the sorts of accusations (against God) that are now common place and generally accepted. And what we do know shows life is designed so why should we even entertain the accusations against God of someone who has said in his heart God does not exist and has not even passed the level of baby!? Trying to palm off their desire to do right in their own eyes as a mere case of unbelief based on the wonky assumptions and rhetoric supplied by the philosophically flawed scientism crew! I am fairly convinced that the cure for cancer was found a long time ago (can't prove this) and it is a natural cure that is not expensive. I believe that it is mans greed that prevents it being released and man putting his faith into the name of science (we need expensive machines and high priests to fix cancer surely), an institute that has been hijacked a long time ago (look at the foundations of modern medicine and the Rockefeller institute a family well known for its greed) We (especially I) live un-natural lives nowadays and it is getting harder and harder to live a natural life. I think a lot of 'ill' comes from this (and yet I seem to love it as well!) If we really, really, really believed that this life is not all there is (and we have good cause to imho) then we would understand why Jesus said, let the dead (spiritually) bury the dead (physically). It is painful for all to loose someone they love. Why would anyone like so many of the atheists I see posting, wilfully reject the evidence of design and whilst robbing people of their hope, they cast themselves as the brave truth warriors facing the bitter reality of life and calling the faith heads deluded and abusers of children for raising our own children with hope in their hearts when if life is designed (which it clearly is) it makes them thieves (stealing our rightful hope), the worst kind of child abusers possible and the most deluded and destructive people on the planet. Is God good? Yes. Life is designed (fact) There is hope in death (faith)DillyGill
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A lot of people, do not understand that God has put everything under the authority of man. The scriptures states this at many points throughput His word. We have been given dominion over His works and in Isaiah 45v11 He even states that we should command the works of His hands to be fulfilled. It's up to us. But we are more interested in ourselves and our own gain that we do not see that we as believer is under His grace. Which means we are to cease from our own works i.e. worrying, stressing, fearing etc... God is inherently good, it is man who are rebellious and not exercising his God given authority through unbelief. Unbelief is simply not resting in His promise - His grace.Rennie
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"99.99999% of people are forgotten at death" Forgotten by people, but not by God. Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father's care.bornagain77
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This idea of man being a noble creation is a heartening one, and certainly one reinforced by literature, art, and indeed, every day good deeds. However, it is also one that is remarkably useful for individual survival. Also, if we look at the undeniable facts, 99.99999% of people are forgotten at death, including the microscopically sucessful ones such as Trump and co. This being the case,(that is the facts negating the dream) it seems as though this post is fantastically inward looking. The suffering of Mr Sewell and his astoundingly courageous wife, will, in the end, matter to Mr Sewell and his brave companion, and in the end, to no one else, as witnessed by the billions and billions gone before us: I'm ok with that, in fact it is a marvellously egalitarian and human condition.rvb8
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as to:
I find it easy to draw the opposite conclusion from the evidence, that this creator cannot, or at least does not, control everything. Nearly everyone seems to assume that if you attribute anything to God, you have to attribute everything to God. And even if we assume he has complete control over Nature it is hard to see how he could satisfy everyone. Your crops are dry so you pray for rain—but I am planning a picnic.
Dr. Sewell, might I suggest that you are not qualified for the job of God? Not to insinuate in the least that you are an atheist Dr. Sewell, especially considering your pain at your wife's passing, but the argument you are making right there reminds me a lot of 'Darwinian Theology'. A theology that is pervasive throughout Darwinian literature, Which is best summed up as:
“atheists have their theology, which is basically: “God, if he existed, wouldn’t do it this way (because) if I were God, I wouldn’t (do it that way).” UD blogger
C.S. Lewis, whom you quoted Dr. Sewell, also stated this:
“If you think of this world as a place simply intended for our happiness, you find it quite intolerable: think of it as a place for training and correction and it's not so bad.” - C.S. Lewis
In other words, with God, everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that happens has a purpose for why it happens, regardless of the fact that we, in our finite abilities, can find no reason for why a particular tragedy might have happened. We simply, as finite human beings, are not qualified to know what God's ultimate purposes are for us in this world and, more importantly, purposes for us in the world to come:
Isaiah 55:9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
The problem of pain/evil, and how we react to tragedy in our lives, was almost central to Dr. Neal's following talk on her near death experience. At around the 15:00 - 17:00 minute mark of the following video, Dr. Neal spoke about how she, when in the presence of God, and from being able to see things from that much higher “omniscient' perspective, finally understood why God allows evil in the world (i.e. she finally ‘got it’) and understood how our limited perspective on 'evil' severely clouds our judgments and our reactions to those tragedies in our lives. (The take home message is to trust in God no matter what comes your way)
Dr. Mary Neal's Near-Death Experience - (Life review portion starts at the 13:00 minute mark) - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHXW1erHMtg
Verse:
Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
In the following article, Eben Alexander states that "He (God) is right here with each of us right now, seeing what we see, suffering what we suffer... and hoping desperately that we will keep our hope and faith in Him. Because that hope and faith will be triumphant."
The Easter Question - Eben Alexander, M.D. - March 2013 Excerpt: More than ever since my near death experience, I consider myself a Christian -,,, Now, I can tell you that if someone had asked me, in the days before my NDE, what I thought of this (Easter) story, I would have said that it was lovely. But it remained just that -- a story. To say that the physical body of a man who had been brutally tortured and killed could simply get up and return to the world a few days later is to contradict every fact we know about the universe. It wasn't simply an unscientific idea. It was a downright anti-scientific one. But it is an idea that I now believe. Not in a lip-service way. Not in a dress-up-it's-Easter kind of way. I believe it with all my heart, and all my soul.,, We are, really and truly, made in God's image. But most of the time we are sadly unaware of this fact. We are unconscious both of our intimate kinship with God, and of His constant presence with us. On the level of our everyday consciousness, this is a world of separation -- one where people and objects move about, occasionally interacting with each other, but where essentially we are always alone. But this cold dead world of separate objects is an illusion. It's not the world we actually live in.,,, ,,He (God) is right here with each of us right now, seeing what we see, suffering what we suffer... and hoping desperately that we will keep our hope and faith in Him. Because that hope and faith will be triumphant. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eben-alexander-md/the-easter-question_b_2979741.html
Here is an excellent sermon by Tim Keller that gets the Calvinist's ‘God is omniscient we are not’ point across very well.
Does God Control Everything? - Tim Keller - (God's sovereignty, evil, and our free will, how do they mesh? Short answer? God's Omniscience!) - video (12:00 minute mark) https://youtu.be/MDbKCZodtZI?t=727
As to free will in general, it is important to point out that although free will is often thought of as allowing someone to choose between a veritable infinity of options, in a theistic view of reality that veritable infinity of options all boils down to just two options. Eternal life, (infinity if you will), with God, or Eternal life, (infinity again if you will), without God. C.S. states that narrowing of an infinity of options down to two as such:
“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell." - C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce
And exactly as would be expected on the Christian view of reality, we find two very different eternities in reality. An ‘infinitely destructive’ eternity associated with General Relativity and a extremely orderly eternity associated with Special Relativity:
Special and General Relativity compared to Heavenly and Hellish Near Death Experiences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKELVHcvSI&list=PLtAP1KN7ahia8hmDlCYEKifQ8n65oNpQ5
also see these following videos on youtube
The Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the 'Theory of Everything' (Entropic Concerns) Albert Einstein vs "The Now" of Philosophers and "The Now" of Quantum Mechanics Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the Theory of Everything - Centrality Concerns
Moreover, as far as science itself is concerned, there is empirical evidence strongly suggesting that God is indeed in control of everything that happens:
New Mind-blowing Experiment Confirms That Reality Doesn’t Exist If You Are Not Looking at It - June 3, 2015 Excerpt: The results of the Australian scientists’ experiment, which were published in the journal Nature Physics, show that this choice is determined by the way the object is measured, which is in accordance with what quantum theory predicts. “It proves that measurement is everything. At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it,” said lead researcher Dr. Andrew Truscott in a press release.,,, “The atoms did not travel from A to B. It was only when they were measured at the end of the journey that their wave-like or particle-like behavior was brought into existence,” he said. Thus, this experiment adds to the validity of the quantum theory and provides new evidence to the idea that reality doesn’t exist without an observer. http://themindunleashed.org/2015/06/new-mind-blowing-experiment-confirms-that-reality-doesnt-exist-if-you-are-not-looking-at-it.html “Look, we all have fun ridiculing the creationists who think the world sprang into existence on October 23, 4004 BC at 9AM (presumably Babylonian time), with the fossils already in the ground, light from distant stars heading toward us, etc. But if we accept the usual picture of quantum mechanics, then in a certain sense the situation is far worse: the world (as you experience it) might as well not have existed 10^-43 seconds ago!” – Scott Aaronson – MIT associate Professor quantum computation - Lecture 11: Decoherence and Hidden Variables Double Slit, Quantum-Electrodynamics, and Christian Theism – video https://www.facebook.com/philip.cunningham.73/videos/vb.100000088262100/1127450170601248/?type=2&theater
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I agree UPright. That is a beautiful letter that your wife wrote, Granville.Pindi
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I broke at "Melissa wrote". ... Thank you GranvilleUpright BiPed
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Thank you, Granville.Truth Will Set You Free
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Excellent!!!! ***** stars.buffalo
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Imagine the conclusion of great war that was fought by you and your countrymen for a noble cause. You were led by the son of the king who was always right there on the front lines and seemed to bear the brunt of much more of the required pain and toil than anyone else -- pain and toil that was the price of victory. The king's son had consistently kept some of the warriors close to him; they suffered more because of their proximity to king's son, but he seemed to really want them there next to him. Everyone is now gathered in the great hall of the king where there will be an accounting of each warrior's efforts in the great war. Everyone has a story to tell about some great experience of pain and suffering they had endured. Everyone but you. Things were never really all that bad for you. You were fine. You are embarrassed after hearing of the heroic suffering of others, especially of those of the king's son and those closest to him. Life is a great war. There has never been a war with more at stake. The King of kings will be victorious through the sufferings of the cross. Those who suffered more in this life were those He wanted close to him. One day those who suffered with Him will be thrilled that they did.
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. -- Romans 8:17
When you suffer remember that you can unite that suffering to the sufferings of Christ; it will then be fighting for a noble cause; the King's son wants you close to Him in His own suffering.harry
August 23, 2016
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If "God" means the Ultimate Reality, then pain and pleasure are part of the deal. "Good" and "evil" is usually thought of as "pleasure" vs "pain." So "God" is both, pleasure and pain, good and evil, a reality of contrasts, and not wholly "good" if "good" means "pleasure." That's that roller coaster you are on, folks, like it or not. Deal with it.mike1962
August 23, 2016
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Best post ever.William J Murray
August 23, 2016
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Axel, Where do these creatures of light come from?Mung
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I know God exists, Granville, but I'm still glad you quoted your wonderful wife's words about how had she learned so much from her atrocious illness and the agonies caused by her various treatments, including from others in the same tragic plight.Axel
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