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John West explains why Discovery Institute will start speaking up about science totalitarianism around COVID

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It’s a powerful piece so read it all. Here are some snippets:

COVID-19 has been used as the rationale for an extraordinary expansion of government power in the name of science: lengthy “lockdowns” of businesses and churches, vaccination mandates, government-imposed discrimination against people based on their medical choices, government-encouraged censorship of dissenting scientific views, and more. Perhaps you support some of these policies as necessary. Perhaps you don’t. But even if you support each and every one of the policies adopted, you ought to be concerned by how they have been imposed. Almost none of the policies were enacted by legislative bodies after an open public debate. Almost all of the policies were enacted unilaterally by executive branch officials asserting emergency powers or by unelected public health officials immune from public accountability.

COVID has shown government officials how to do an end-run around the normal system of checks and balances. They simply need to invoke “science” and declare an emergency — and then extend their emergency orders time and again. Anyone who dares challenge the emergency orders will be stigmatized as “anti-science,” or they will be told they aren’t scientists so they have no right to be heard. Regardless of your view of specific anti-COVID policies, policymaking during the pandemic has set a terrible precedent for the future…

Lost in current debates is the fact that much so-called “misinformation” targeted for suppression actually represents legitimate differences of opinion held by scientists and policy experts. Other pieces of so-called “misinformation” are in reality true facts that those in charge would rather not be forced to address.

For example, it is fact, not fiction, that the government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has had more adverse reaction reports filed for the COVID-19 vaccines than for any other vaccine since VAERS started collecting data in 1990. Indeed, as of mid-January, 55 percent of all adverse reactions, 59 percent of all hospitalizations, and 71 percent of all deaths reported to VAERS are from the COVID-19 vaccines. What these data mean is subject to legitimate differences of opinion. But the fact that the data exist is unquestionable. Yet if you spend much time discussing VAERS in social media or on YouTube, you are likely to be banned. John West, “The Rise of Totalitarian Science, 2022 Edition” at Evolution News and Science Today (January 31, 2022)

And if you go along with all that, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

In Canada, the natives* are very restless indeed. Lockdown protests have been going on for days. Few reports of violence, just large numbers of people fed up with crackpot medical totalitarianism:

  • That’s from the national anthem: “O Canada, our home and native land”

You may also wish to read: Royal Society: Don’t censor misinformation; it makes things worse While others demand crackdowns on “fake news,” the Society reminds us that the history of science is one of error correction. It’s a fact that much COVID news later thought to need correction was in fact purveyed by official sources, not blogs or Facebook or Twitter accounts.

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Dogdoc; "It makes me sad to see that instead of debating the evidence, many people are making this into a political/tribal issue." Funny that one side of the supposed 'debate' on the scientific evidence is censored for not toeing the other sides line,,,, and as a result of there not really being a real debate, people died. (100s of thousands of people needlessly died by some sobering estimates)
Life and Death in Bureaucratized American Medicine – January 25, 2022 Excerpt: CDC and “confusion” notwithstanding, Dr. Meyer continued to offer the early treatment option to his patients as a matter of conscience – until that option was taken off the table. That happened after two patients, elderly men he’d seen for years, came down with covid at about the same time. As had become his practice, he explained their options. Both patients chose the early treatment regimen, and Dr. Meyer put in an order for them to receive ivermectin. But the orders were not filled. When he inquired as to what had happened, he was told that the Chief Medical Officer had interceded and prevented the pharmacy from filling the orders. Both patients died. At this point, things got very real for Dr. Meyer. “I knew that what was coming was more turbulence.” Would he continue to do what he believed was the right thing to do for his patients? Or would he follow the path of least resistance, keep his head down, and comply with hospital administrators? He recalled that he had made his Hippocratic Oath to God, not a corporation, and resolved to keep doing what he thought best for his patients. Before long, he was summoned to another meeting with hospital officials. This time they were more direct. He was to stop prescribing ivermectin (or trying to prescribe it) and to stop “scaring” patients about the covid vaccine. Success (Again) So, when another patient was hospitalized with covid and deteriorating, he ordered that she receive N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) by IV. Available in pill form over the counter, NAC is known for producing many healthful benefits, one of which is supporting respiratory function. The patient recovered. Termination Soon after that, Dr. Meyer was summoned to a third meeting. This time, he was to leave his patients waiting and come immediately. When he arrived, he was informed that he had been terminated from the hospital, effective immediately. He was allowed to collect his personal belongings, and then he walked out of the building. https://salvomag.com/post/whos-calling-the-shots-in-your-doctors-orders Doctor’s Orders – video https://rumble.com/vqjt12-doctors-orders.html
bornagain77
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Vividbleau @ 4:
The vaccines do not prevent the vaccinated from spreading the disease nor does it prevent the vaccinated from getting the disease.
They help to prevent both, of course. They were very effective on the alpha variant when people were freshly vaccinated; with omicron the effectiveness is much less.
Virtually everyone in my family who all were vaxed have gotten Covid. Two of my closest friends who were double vaxed got it and were hospitalized. Another double vaxed friend got it twice.
My uncle smoked a pack of Marlboros every day until he was 96, when he died in a traffic accident. But I would be wrong to imagine that means cigarettes don't kill people. Basing inferences on anecdotal data isn't helpful.
Another vaxed friend died.
Yes, it's a very dangerous disease.
The cloth masks are a joke.
While they were marginally effective against variant alpha, they provide virtually no protection from omicron. At the start of the pandemic, N95 masks were in such short supply that healthcare workers couldn't get them, and people were encouraged to wear other (less effective) masks instead. I think that was a big mistake - they should have just said N95s are being prioritized for healthcare workers and not tried to tell people cloth masks were fine. I understand they wanted to avoid people hoarding N95s, but the hit to their credibility was huge - as evidenced by your comments.
Let’s go Brandon!
It makes me sad to see that instead of debating the evidence, many people are making this into a political/tribal issue.dogdoc
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As to VACCINES----this 'injection' is NOT a 'vaccine' shot. And it's not a 'flu' shot. It is an 'injection' of an experimental treatment. An UNTESTED 'experimental' treatment. How many times did someone take a "polio" shot? ONCE. And a "chicken pox" shot? Once. And they were called 'shots,' not 'vaccines.' But they were vaccines. They injected the whole virus into the system of the person receiving the injection and then the person developed resistance to the ENTIRE virus, not just "one" protein among 29 other proteins. And 'flu' shots function in the same way: whole viruses. If you inject the mRNA for ONE of 29 proteins--with the body building resistance ONLY to that 'one' protein, then you have sent the virus and invitation to mutate to the point of evading the body's resistance. And that, almost without question, is what happened. And, so, came the Delta variant. Even more infectious and deadly. People who have had Covid, on the other hand, had 'resistance' to all 29 proteins and the Covid virus would have to find away around all of that much greater resistance. And, of course, the public data has demonstrated this. ChDarwin: You're upset because someone doesn't get the vaccine and is spreading the virus to others. But how do we know this. Just because you've been vaccinated doesn't mean you won't get infected. And just because you're not vaccinated doesn't mean you "will" get it. Today I read about a healthy 37 year-old man, a new father, you took the vaccination and died within hours from a heart attack; really, his heart almost blew up. Now CD, you're DEMANDING he take that shot. We don't know how Covid spreads--from whom to whom; but we DO know when a vaccine has killed someone. Who's more responsible for the death of another: the one who isn't vaccinated but could POSSIBLY get the infection and then infect someone else, or, the one who FORCES another to take this vaccine when this person is in a group with a very low likelihood of dying from the infection but who dies upon receiving the vaccination. We know there are people dying from the vaccine. Too many. They should have stopped this 'experimental' drug. Do you remember, early on, when Dr. Fauci said: "We won't stop until there's not another CASE of this virus"? But a 'case' of this virus is not the same as 'dying' from this virus. So, why didn't he also say: "We won't insist on people getting vaccinated until NOONE dies from it"? This putative "Vaccine" is worthless now in stopping the spread of Covid. It only helps the individual receiving it from suffering from the worst effects of Covid. So, why 'force' others to take it? Well, the answer is this: Liberal-Leftism is an OCD: an 'obsessive-compulsive disorder.' We don't need vaccines; we need psychologists.PaV
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CD@22:
COVID 19 infection, unlike historical flu infections, was an unknown.
But we did know something--something that held up over time. The Infection/Fatality Ratio was about 0.5 % The CDC calculated the IFR in summer 2020 and found an IFR of 0.46%. However, asymptomatic cases had to be added to the total number of cases. When the CDC did this, they came up with an IFR of 0.26%. The IFR of the seasonal flu is 0.13%. So, Covid was twice as deadly--that's it! However, it was much more nasty a virus, and that's what many feared. So, yes, there was a lack of knowledge; yet, from the beginning we had good statistics. They knew the IFR as early as March 2020. I withdrew my objections to the "two weeks to flatten the curve" shut-downs based on the fact that so many 'unknowable's were out there But had I known the degree to which liberal-Leftism is an OCD, I would not have done so. We knew enough. What Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx and friends did was unleash a complete, horrific public health disaster upon this land. They are doctors, not epidemiologists, nor public health professionals. Read Scott Atlas' book on what went on at the Task Force meetings. A farce. This should never happen again.PaV
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:lol: It is in front of our eyes. Fauci about universal vaccine before starting covid hoax: When you see it...Lieutenant Commander Data
February 1, 2022
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Of related note: A doctor was literally fired for saving lives with medicine that was not 'government approved'
Life and Death in Bureaucratized American Medicine - January 25, 2022 https://rumble.com/vqjt12-doctors-orders.html Doctor's Orders - video https://rumble.com/vqjt12-doctors-orders.html
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PaV at 18, well said, a thumbs up: And did you notice this from the Niners vs. Rams championship game?
He (Newsom) also reminded citizens to continue wearing their masks to prevent further spread of COVID-19, saying: 'I encourage everyone else to do so.' However, California's Republican Caucus shared a photo of Newsom apparently maskless while seated in the stands Sunday. 'Newsom said he only took off his mask for the picture with Magic Johnson, to be gracious,' Sen. Melissa Melendez, who represents California's 28th District, commented as she retweeted the photo. 'Here’s Gavin, being all “gracious” again.',,, Celebrities in attendance - including Rob Lowe, Jessica Alba, and Rebel Wilson - also appeared maskless. Leonardo DiCaprio was seen wearing a mask - but it rested below his mouth and nose, rendering it useless. It's not the first time Newsom was caught defying pandemic health orders. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10461777/California-Gov-claims-took-mask-NFC-Championship-photo-Magic-Johnson.html
When the camera cut to Decraprio during the game and I saw DiCaprio with his mask hanging down below his mouth and nose, while he chatted away, up close and personal with a friend, I thought to myself, "Sheesh, even those on the far left don't believe their own B.S." https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/01/01/53569863-10461777-Also_in_attendance_was_LA_native_Leonardo_DiCaprio_who_was_spott-a-32_1643677231867.jpgbornagain77
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CD @22 said:
COVID 19 infection, unlike historical flu infections, was an unknown.
What did I say at #13?
Almost everyone went along with it [mandates, isolation, restrictions] in the beginning because of the potential threat of what was not known;
I actually made the same point you are making in your comment about figuring out our ability and infrastructure necessary to "flatten the curve" so that our medical resources were not overwhelmed.
Yearly flu outbreaks also do not result in every nut-job conspiracy monger crawling out of the wall throwing out complete misinformation and discouraging folks from getting flu shots, etc.
I suggest this is because prior flu outbreaks did not result in mandates, isolation, restrictions, bankrupting small businesses across the nation, people being fired en masse for not taking shots, or being required to take shots that there have been zero long-term studies on, vaccine passports, etc.
In other words, COVID is not the flu, and the comparison is not appropriate.
The comparison is entirely appropriate because we are comparing risk vs benefit. People now are well aware of the risks, and a large portion of the population considers it an acceptable risk in comparison against the measures being used to combat it, and the apparently high degree of ineffectiveness of those measures. Also, when you see the same people who are enacting and insisting on these mandates and restrictions violating them time and time again as if there's nothing to really worry about, it's kind of hard to believe they take it seriously and one can easily begin to think they are forcing this on the population for other reasons.William J Murray
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WJM @ 20 COVID 19 infection, unlike historical flu infections, was an unknown. We have good data on flu deaths in the US for many decades ranging roughly between 10K to 60K per year. These deaths are de minimus in comparison to the overall population. COVID related deaths are now in seven figures. We also have the medical infrastructure to deal with flu, beds, respirators, etc. We also know how to effectively deploy medical infrastructure for yearly flu outbreaks. Yearly flu outbreaks also do not result in every nut-job conspiracy monger crawling out of the wall throwing out complete misinformation and discouraging folks from getting flu shots, etc. In other words, COVID is not the flu, and the comparison is not appropriate.chuckdarwin
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"If I refuse to receive a vaccine for a highly contagious, potentially fatal viral infection, then walk around unmasked, breathing in peoples’ faces, handling shared objects, like shopping carts, door handles, food products, silverware, etc., without sanitizing, violate attendance quotas, like a number of pastors allowed, then I am being an irresponsible jerk" Chuck, But that wasn't the point of your comment. The point of your comment was that the vaccine probably won't kill you right away, which doesn't address all vast problems of COVID Policy Idiocy, which you seem to want to ignore. Andrewasauber
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CD said:
If I eat a hot dog, that harms no one but myself. If I refuse to receive a vaccine for a highly contagious, potentially fatal viral infection, then walk around unmasked, breathing in peoples’ faces, handling shared objects, like shopping carts, door handles, food products, silverware, etc., without sanitizing, violate attendance quotas, like a number of pastors allowed, then I am being an irresponsible jerk. If I insist on acting like a spoiled child, then I will be treated like one.
And yet, this is exactly how we have always behaved every year prior to Covid-19 in how we handled the yearly strains of flu. We did not force "flu shots" or install mask mandates or force isolation on the healthy population because tens of thousands of people died every year from the flu. We did not drive businesses into bankruptcy or censor dissenting opinion or fire anyone because they wouldn't get their flu shot.William J Murray
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Asauber @ 17 If I eat a hot dog, that harms no one but myself. If I refuse to receive a vaccine for a highly contagious, potentially fatal viral infection, then walk around unmasked, breathing in peoples' faces, handling shared objects, like shopping carts, door handles, food products, silverware, etc., without sanitizing, violate attendance quotas, like a number of pastors allowed, then I am being an irresponsible jerk. If I insist on acting like a spoiled child, then I will be treated like one. Anyone that has kids knows that schools are virtual breeding grounds for communicable disease. Most business owners acted responsibly. The feds implemented unprecedented measures to help small businesses ride the shutdowns. Sometimes your precious "rights" require that you acknowledge a reciprocal duty of care towards your fellow citizens, in other words, to act like an adult. Just suck it up, get vaccinated and quit whining...chuckdarwin
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Seversky:
Their childish resentment of being told what to do by others is the basic reason for their refusal to take reasonable precautions to protect others and their denial of treatments which, over the centuries, have saved countless lives and immeasurably improved the lot of people worldwide.
St. Paul says that when he was a child he thought like a child. This statement of yours is fundamental liberal tripe. You treat people like children, not as adults. You think that we are children in adult bodies. It really is nothing more than projection on the part of the liberal Left. People who object to the nonsense we have had to endure do so because their REASON, their 'adult' reason, tells them that none of what the CDC and Dr. Fauci makes much sense. There's the Left's true enemy: common sense. Oh, whatever you do, don't use that! It will lead you into error; just listen to us. We're the smart guys. I'm curious, Seversky: what do you propose to do with these "children"? Send them to their room--that is, jail? Or will you tell them to get out of your house--that is, "cancel" them? Which tyrannical steps do you recommend here? We must punish these bad little children. We'll do it for their own good!! ************************************************ I looked this up this morning. South Korea shows 132 death per 100,000 of their population. And what is it in the USA, with our great health system, our great CDC, our great FDA? 2,700 per 100,000. That is, TWENTY TIMES more. How did they do this? They use HCQ and other 'anti-virals.' But we DON'T here in the USA. Why? Because Donald Trump said HCQ works!!! That's why. It was a political decision. We don't use 'antivirals' because "evil Orange-man" said to use it and because Big Pharma cannot reap immense profits from it. The Left has pushed for all of this. They tell us we should follow the advice of Dr. Fauci, who knows next to nothing about what's going on and who is treating Covid as if it were HIV--forty years later we're still waiting for a "vaccine," and Fauci is still looking for one for HIV. Pathetic. The Left act like thirteen-year-olds while the treat adults like thirteen year-olds. Please explain why Africa has a low-death rate from Covid. You can't. I will. They use plaquenil to fight malaria---and have been for decades: it's safe!! Why is South Korea's death rate incredibly lower than ours? They use plaquenil. What is plaquenil? You know, hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), the stuff that the "evil Orang-man" said would work. This is all sinful to an almost unprecedented level. The Left has to explain itself here, not us; not those who use their God-given common sense and God-given reason to act in a truly free way--just as God desires. What Donald Trump did was to get the liberal Left to come out of hiding and into the open. And nobody likes what they see; except for the 2-3% that make up the liberal Left and who are convinced not only of their great intelligence, but of their moral superiority. Seversky, are you one of this 2-3%? I wonder. P.S. I posted this before reading Wm J Murray's excellent post. Thanks William! P.P.S. Do you remember when I posted a thread here decrying the efficacy of the "lockdowns"? Do you remember the vitriol I received? Do you remember me saying that Governor Gavin Newsome, here in California, would have to be "dragged, kicking and screaming" before "lockdowns" would end. Two year later, we still have emergency orders in place. We need to remember these things to (1) do something about them right--fix the horrible excesses imposed unilaterally upon us, and (2) so that something like this NEVER happens again.PaV
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Chuckydarwin, So your defense of years of destructive COVID Idiocy is that the "vaccines" probably won't kill you? Neither will a hot dog and a lot of other things. But hot dogs aren't reasons to shutdown businesses, schools, and public places. Do you think they are? Andrewasauber
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2030 UnMasked Documentary https://2030unmasked.com/Lieutenant Commander Data
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ChuckDarwin, Why did you lie about vaccine deaths?jerry
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This from the CDC:
More than 535 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through January 24, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 11,657 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.
Twenty-two ten-thousandths percent death rate. This is well within acceptable risk under anyone's metric, especially given the record times in which COVID vaccines were brought to market. Per usual, the Discovery Institute is at the vanguard of promoting another Chicken Little crisis in yet one more lame attempt to appear relevant.chuckdarwin
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Seversky said:
Unfortunately, there is a significant number who are so irresponsible that they believe their God-given rights and freedoms include that of freely spreading a highly-infectious and often fatal disease to their fellow citizens
Do you remember when all this started and we basically put the entire economy on hold and severely restricted all public interaction? Do you remember that it this was done under the pretense that it was "six weeks to slow the curve?" Virtually nobody balked at this, even though it would mean a lot of personal, business and institutional sacrifice and hardship. This was not instituted in order to permanently prevent anyone from getting Covid, but rather to "slow the curve" to prevent a massive medical treatment and care issue, so that our medical institutions would have time to prepare and get properly situated, to mitigate the influx of people so they could handle it. Remember, we were only trying to slow the pace at which we reached herd immunity. At the time, we did not know much about Covid; we didn't even know how deadly it was. Over time, we have found out a lot more about it; we have found effective treatments; we have learned that it is not nearly as deadly as predicted. We have found out that the vast majority of people at risk of dying had several co-morbidities, which is the same case as with various strains of flu. We learned that Covid is generally not significantly more deadly than the flu when it comes to healthy people below the age of 60. We have learned that masks are not effective in preventing the spread of Covid. We have learned that the "vaccines" (the definition of which was changed for the Covid "vaccine") do not stop the spread of Covid, nor do they prevent anyone from getting Covid. We have learned that the "vaccines" themselves are dangerous and can cause all sorts of severe health issues, including death, at a higher degree than previous vaccines. In light of this accumulated evidence and information, have the national governments changed their mandated policies accordingly? Nope. They have instituted far more severe restrictions and penalties, which have resulted in a dramatic increase in drug addition and related deaths, suicides, and mental illness. Countless people have lost their jobs. Countless small businesses have been ruined. Millions of new people have dropped entirely out of the job market because they cannot get jobs because they are skeptical of the efficacy of the "vaccines" and are worried about both the known risks and the unknown risks since no long-term study has ever been done. They reason that since the science shows their risk is minimal, and the vaccines do not prevent the spread of Covid, nor do they prevent getting Covid, the known risks outweigh the known benefits. To dismiss such people en masse as acting out of "childish resentment" is preposterous. Are doctors, nurses and emergency responders resisting the restrictions and vaccines, angry at the prohibition of effective treatments, losing their jobs because of "childish resentment?" Are they uninformed? Almost everyone went along with it in the beginning because of the potential threat of what was not known; IMO they are resisting now because of what is now known. These are good, principled people now risking everything - censorship, their jobs and reputations to take a stand against what they see as destructive government overreach and a response that is way out of proportion to the actual risk. These restrictions and mandates are just not necessary. The evidence clearly shows they are not effective. The "cure" that is being forced upon us is far more destructive than the disease.William J Murray
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before I can avert my eyes from your nonsense.
Highly recommend
Habits of a Happy Brain: Retrain Your Brain to Boost Your Serotonin, Dopamine, Oxytocin, & Endorphin Levels
Just avoid Seversky for the next 45 days and you will never be tempted to read him again. Trained myself to clean up every day, eat healthier foods, and write necessary emails sooner. Pick something small and do it every day and in a short time you will not think twice to do it. Seversky would be a good start.jerry
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Seversksy@1: You are beyond stupid and profoundly naïve. Stop contaminating this website with your stupidity. I can’t stand to read your drivel. Try as I might to avoid you, you seem to always show up just before I can avert my eyes from your nonsense.Truth Will Set You Free
February 1, 2022
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Here’s a question for everyone
If Trump had officially won the election and then pushed for vaccine participation, what would have been the press and liberal reactions
Would this be happening?
Universities and Teachers Unions would be advocating there is no need for vaccines for students since they are not susceptible to virus especially with a vaccine so rushed into existence
It would be a tough call for the latter since Big Pharma would be out a ton of money. Recall the expression
Between a rock and a hard place
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Just bought two books
Overcoming the COVID-19 Darkness: How Two Doctors Successfully Treated 7000 Patients
Only exists in print. No ebook yet. https://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-COVID-19-Darkness-Successfully-Patients/dp/B09PVNF24K/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1643725824&refinements=p_27%3ABrian+Tyson&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Brian+Tyson
Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09RKQG1PH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Also, William Briggs discuses all death data since start of pandemic https://wmbriggs.com/post/38957/ Also, some are suggesting Quanta Magazine replace Scientific America as good science. However, the usual evolution mis-information is in it. https://www.quantamagazine.org/ Meanwhile, a typical article confusing genetics with Evolution. But critical of the new science wokeism. https://www.city-journal.org/the-new-lysenkoism?wallit_nosession=1jerry
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It's amazing how these conversations and posts start with data and facts, and then always devolve into emotional appeals and arguments. The virus emerged from a lab leak (or lab release). It has a 99% survival rate (much higher for those who are healthy and less for those with lots of health issues). Dr. Fauci has a portrait of himself on his office wall and a bobblehead of himself. He is a megalomaniac and a liar who funded gain of function research. But, since there is a cartel in the government, he won't be prosecuted until the current regime is overthrown. These are all just facts when you connect the dots. The vaccine MAY help people not die as much or get hospitalized...but you know what else helps? Ivermectin (even Japanese now say so) and getting plenty of vitamin D and zinc, not being diabetic and obese. Bill Gates has always wanted population decreased, and they are getting what they want. People are going to get sick, it happens. Tin foil hat put back in the closet until later.... Grace and peace to you allzweston
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"If the majority of the people could be relied upon to act responsibly, there would be little need for emergency regulations." Sev, Speaking of acting responsibly... Have you seen all the stories of celebs and pols violating the regulations they advocate and impose? Andrewasauber
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To John West's commentary I would add my own, in the form of two books. The first is an analogy to a precious gemstone with many real world examples: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DWBVS32/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i7 The second book is an accumulation, and categorization of items contributing to a loss of Liberty just since the beginning of the new administration just a year ago: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B096XXVDF3?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tkin_1&storeType=ebooksayearningforpublius
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Sev- I completely agree the government has a duty of care toward the governed , The issue is how it went about that duty of care. By your reasoning the government would need to ban alcohol , over eating , sugar, cars, stress, etc so none of us die by all the other things that can kill us in this life. I can choose for myself how close I get to someone else they dont need to close bars , I just dont have to go into a bar simple as that. We will only see in years to come the cost we will pay for the lockdowns , in my opinion it will be much higher than the cost we have paid in the death toll of Covid , through mismanagement of a so called pandemic.Marfin
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Lies like this “Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person," Maddow said on her show the evening of March 29, 2021. "A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus, the virus does not infect them, the virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else," she added with a shrug. "It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people." Vividvividbleau
January 31, 2022
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Sev “Unfortunately, there is a significant number who are so irresponsible that they believe their God-given rights and freedoms include that of freely spreading a highly-infectious and often fatal disease to their fellow citizens” What a crock! The vaccines do not prevent the vaccinated from spreading the disease nor does it prevent the vaccinated from getting the disease. Virtually everyone in my family who all were vaxed have gotten Covid. Two of my closest friends who were double vaxed got it and were hospitalized. Another double vaxed friend got it twice. Another vaxed friend died. The cloth masks are a joke. From day one the public has been lied to starting with the lie that it could not come from a lab and it’s been a constant stream of lies since. Fifteen days to flatten the curve has morphed into the trampling of individual rights on a massive scale. Let’s go Brandon! Vividvividbleau
January 31, 2022
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West mentions several Bush appointees and associates, which should remind us that this monstrosity was launched by Bush in 2005, and carefully planned and scheduled until the stormtroopers were ready in 2020.polistra
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A government has a duty to do what it can to preserve the health and welfare of the governed. If the majority of the people could be relied upon to act responsibly, there would be little need for emergency regulations. Unfortunately, there is a significant number who are so irresponsible that they believe their God-given rights and freedoms include that of freely spreading a highly-infectious and often fatal disease to their fellow citizens. Their childish resentment of being told what to do by others is the basic reason for their refusal to take reasonable precautions to protect others and their denial of treatments which, over the centuries, have saved countless lives and immeasurably improved the lot of people worldwide. In my view, the Discovery Institute is behaving highly irresponsibly and should know better.Seversky
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