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Jordan Peterson interviews Larry Krauss on scientism

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Readers will probably recognize both Jordan Peterson and Larry Krauss Here’s part of Elizabeth Whateley’s take on a Peterson podcast with Krauss:

Recently, Canadian psychologist-turned-public-intellectual Jordan Peterson hosted popular physicist Lawrence Krauss on his podcast. Peterson, on the other side of a health crisis, has been engaging an eclectic array of intellectuals to keep himself sharp while he promotes his new book, Beyond Order. As a scientist who’s become known for politically incorrect opinions, Krauss was a natural conversation partner for the controversial professor, and the two got along well. Maybe too well, as Peterson allowed Krauss to repeat various talking points unchallenged …

“Take me back to the beginning,” Peterson asks, meaning 14 billion years back, to the beginning of time. Naturally, Krauss is only too happy to oblige by playing his greatest hit for the professor. He presents himself as the cautious, reasonable scientist who rewinds the tape only as far as he can extrapolate his own understanding of the laws of physics, unlike those excitable religious types who think they can tell you what happened at t = 0. But from t = 0.000000….1 onwards, the laws of physics can explain everything beautifully. This is “the difference between science and religion.”

Here Peterson asks a question: Those laws, did they come into being along with the universe?

Krauss hedges his bets in reply. “Maybe they pre-existed, maybe they don’t. Those are metaphysical questions.” Metaphysical questions are above his pay grade, he wishes to stress. Right before saying it’s not just possible but “quite likely” that our universe arose from nothing, “no space, no time, and maybe no laws.” At the least, we can say confidently that it has all the properties we would expect to observe in a 14-billion-year-old universe that came into being “spontaneously, without any supernatural shenanigans.” This isn’t a proof, but it at least makes Krauss’s claim sound more plausible.

Elizabeth Whateley, “Jordan Peterson Springs the Trap of Scientism” at Evolution News and Science Today (July 30, 2021)

Here’s the podcast:

Krauss’s claims — it’s not just possible but “quite likely” that our universe arose from nothing, “no space, no time, and maybe no laws.” At the least, we can say confidently that it has all the properties we would expect to observe in a 14-billion-year-old universe that came into being “spontaneously, without any supernatural shenanigans.” — are clearly ridiculous. “Nothing” is not an account of anything and there is no way we could know what a universe from nothing “should” look like. Peterson is being too kind here.

See also: Jordan Peterson — Do the Stitches Hold?

6 Replies to “Jordan Peterson interviews Larry Krauss on scientism

  1. 1

    Ah, the universe spontaneously arose on its own from nothing. No empirical evidence of how it happened. No empirical evidence of how such a thing could ever happen. Atheists are looking more foolish (and desperate) by the day.

  2. 2
    Seversky says:

    To say that the Universe arose from noting is worse then saying it was created by God, At least the proposed Christian God has causal powers, nothing has no such power.

  3. 3
    Marfin says:

    Sev -Then based on what you have just posted, I assume you now believe in a creator God until a more reasonable explanation comes along.
    As you can see something from nothing is not reasonable , but its the best the materialist can offer.

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    Pearlman says:

    That type of self-fool conclusion is what can happen when one stops Torah study at Bar-Mitzvah, yet gets to PhD + level in confirmation bias reinforced secular studies.

  5. 5
    AaronS1978 says:

    @marfin
    No no no marfin
    You don’t want to take it too far just appreciate the tiny acknowledgment that Sev gave.

    When I read the comment it actually brought a smile to my face

    So lets just appreciate this tiny acknowledgment and agreement while it lasts

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    AaronS1978 @ 5

    I fully agree. Nothing to be critical or negative about on that.
    i sincerely appreciated Sev’s statement – it’s honest and direct. No games.
    I was grateful to see it. We need not worry about where it goes from here.

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