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Below is a letter to me by Darrel Falk, a biologist on the faculty at Point Loma Nazarene University. Darrel and I have known each other for several years, and even though our views on ID diverge, we respect each other. The letter here is in response to my recent blog entry at UD on Ken Miller and Francis Collins’s possible openness to ID at the origin of life (go here). Note that Francis Collins wrote the foreword to Darrel’s book Coming to Faith with Science: Bridging the Worlds Between Faith and Biology, a book for which I also wrote an endorsement (although I have my differences with the book, I think it is one we need to engage).

In giving me permission to post this letter, Darrel remarked, “I have always greatly admired your sincerity. I have sensed a number of times how much you really want ID to be a true scientific force and not just a political force. Most recently this was clearly (and sincerely) evident in your statements in the Phillip Johnson Festschrift [i.e., Darwin’s Nemesis]. I believe you really have a vision that Intelligent Design should be of the highest quality biology. It is with that in mind that I hope you (and those who read your blog) will take my comments in the form of constructive criticism. I hope that people within the movement don’t become defensive, but will simply ask the question, ‘Does Falk have a point worth considering?’” To this he added, “I personally hope that Intelligent Design will evolve into a force that partners with science rather than a force which opposes it. If it would do that, I believe its influence would live on in ways that extend beyond the positive things it has already done.”

Here, then, is the letter (unedited; the ellipses were there in the original). I’ve interspersed comments in backets using boldface.

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Hi Bill,

I am responding to your blog entry of last evening in which you ask the question of whether people like Francis Collins and Ken Miller are ID as it relates to origin of life. The same question could be asked of many people who take the theistic evolution stance and who extend God’s involvement to all of creation: including myself, in Coming to Peace with Science, and the position espoused so eloquently by Ted Peters and Martinez Hewlett in Evolution from Creation to New Creation. There are many people who believe that God is not ever removed from creation, and thereby believe that the history of the creation of life is a manifestation of God’s design. Those people believe in intelligent design, but have significant concerns about elements of Intelligent Design.

[I’m not convinced that having two versions of ID, one writ small and the other writ large with initial letters underscored is all that helpful. It seems that ID has now staked out a clear position, being defined as the study of patterns in nature, and especially in biology, that are best explained as the result of intelligence. Detectability of design is therefore built into this definition. The writ large version is now the standard version of ID. To write it in this peculiar way suggests that it is a strange or marginal version, which it is not. This way of writing it seems to me no different from putting scare quotes around the term. As for intelligent design writ small, it obviously conveys that there is some purpose behind any thing to which the term “intelligent design” is applied. As a theological or metaphysical predicate, this usage is meaningful. But it seems to me no different from any number of other predicates that bespeak purpose. How is “X is intelligently design” in the writ-small sense, any different from “X was intended,” or “X was conceived by a mind” or “X is the product of a wise God” or “X is the result of a telic process”? Until intelligent design in the writ-small sense is given some definite scientific content, it seems to me that this alternate use of the term confuses rather than clarifies.]

Intelligent Design has had an important influence on science. Increasingly, I believe, the world of science has come to see that it reached outside of its bounds in a way that is espoused most clearly, I believe, by Michael Ruse (e.g. “My analysis is that we have no simple clash between religion and science but between two religions.” The Evolution Creation Struggle, 2005). From this day onward, the scientific establishment is going to be much more careful about statements regarding life arising by “blind chance.” Increasingly, thanks to Intelligent Design, the scientific establishment is becoming aware that many of its leading spokespersons moved from beyond science into a form of religion. This has been a most important correction to how the normal science (in the sense articulated by Thomas Kuhn) is done. Consider, for example, the closing words of The Plausibility of Life by Marc Kirschner and John Gerhart: “The question of faith remains…” Were it not for the ID movement, these leading scientists, writing one of the most important mainstream biology books of the past twenty-five years, would never have closed their book with such an admission. That shift in how normal science is done in evolutionary biology needed to occur and for that we who are believers (regardless of our perspective regarding the ID movement), all have you to thank.

[Thanks, Darrel, for highlighting ID’s role in keeping science honest. As for the Kirschner and Gerhart book, I don’t hold it in quite as high regard as you do. See the following UD blog entry where the book was briefly addressed: https://uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/415. Their theory of facilitated variation depends on various modules of genes working in concert to radically change organisms. But whence organisms with such modules that facilitate their evolution? And what is the evidence that such modules, when appropriately modified, will induce macroevolutionary changes? It seems to me that Kirschner and Gerhart leave too many vital questions unanswered for their book to be a real contender as the key to a new general evolutionary biology.]

However, Intelligent Design does not stop there. It calls into question the basic rules by which science has operated for the last 150 years. It calls upon science to include in its hypotheses the existence of the supernatural. This is a call to redefine science and to make it into a discipline that includes not just a study of the natural, but the supernatural as well. It calls not just for a correction in how normal science is done…what it calls for is a paradigm shift (a la Thomas Kuhn) that would now include the search for divine activity using the tools of science. This makes belief in Intelligent Design a whole different ballgame than belief in intelligent design.

[I would agree that intelligent design writ large is a different ballgame from intelligent design writ small, but not because it fundamentally violates science. Rather, it is a different ball game because it genuinely is trying to make design a part of the natural sciences whereas intelligent design writ small is content to reside in the realm of theology and metaphysics. The conflation of ID with supernaturalism is inappropriate. What’s at issue is the nature of nature. Is nature the sort of place where telic organizing principles can operate? That’s all ID requires. It does not require supernatural designers who operate outside nature. Intelligence can be a PERFECTLY NATURAL aspect of the physical world. Where ID runs into problems is with a materialistic and reductionist understanding of science. Such an understanding was never written in stone. It is historically contingent, and the ID community argues that there is no reason to retain it. I’ve addressed the fact that ID is not a supernaturalist theory in my book THE DESIGN REVOLUTION, devoting a chapter to it. You can also read about this in my expert witness rebuttal report to the Dover case here, section 2.3 on “methodological materialism.”]

Now I come to my most important point. Intelligent Design makes the claim that irreducibly complex structures in biology lead to “the resulting realization that life was designed by an intelligence.” (Darwin’s Black Box). At this point the movement begins to address the field of biology on its own terms. It searches the scientific literature and concludes, for example: “We can look high or we can look low, in books or in journals, but the result is the same. The scientific literature has no answers to the question of the origin of the immune system.” (Darwin’s Black Box). Whether this was true ten years ago is certainly up for debate. However, a recent review of the origin of the immune system lists 160 articles in its bibliography (see Reconstructing Immune Phylogeny: New Perspectives, Nature Reviews/ Immunology 5:866-879, 2005). Despite this the Afterword of the tenth anniversary edition of Darwin’s Black Box concludes: “The papers I cite here on the cilium, flagellum, blood clotting and immune systems are the best work by Darwinists on the origin of complex molecular machinery available since 1996 in the science literature.”

Only one paper on the immune system was cited and none of the 160 papers discussed in the above review of the origin of the immune system were cited. Bill, that is not the way that good science has ever proceeded. In science, we give very careful analysis to the arguments of the other side. We discuss the papers, explaining what we agree with about them and what we think is still lacking… and we do so in detail. However, we don’t ignore them. ID is simply not proceeding a manner that is consistent with how good science is done.

[Darrel, good science also does not proceed by data dumping, simply citing lots and lots of papers, as though sheer numbers can establish an otherwise unsupported claim. Behe’s addressed your point in his response to the Dover trial (go here). At the trial, in parallel with your 160 journal articles, the ACLU attorney dumped in front of Behe 58 peer-reviewed publications, 9 books and several immunology textbook chapters on the evolution of the immune system. Behe’s main point in response was this: “The Court here speaks of ‘evidence for evolution.’ Throughout the trial I carefully distinguished between the various meanings of the word ‘evolution,’ and I made it abundantly clear that I was challenging Darwin’s proposed mechanism of random mutation coupled to natural selection. Unfortunately, the Court here, as in many other places in its opinion, ignores the distinction between evolution and Darwinism. I said in my testimony that the studies may have been fine as far as they went, but that they certainly did not present detailed, rigorous explanations for the evolution of the immune system by random mutation and natural selection — if they had, that knowledge would be reflected in more recent studies that I had had a chance to read.” Darrel, it’s a question or relevance and what these studies prove. Yes, there seems good evidence that the immune system evolved. But did it happen through an unguided materialistic process (e.g., the Darwinian mechanism)? Or is there evidence of design working through this evolutionary process?]

So do people like Francis Collins, Ken Miller and Simon Conway Morris… some of the leading scientists in the world today (and they are believers!!) subscribe to intelligent design? Absolutely. However, Intelligent Design goes well beyond a belief in intelligent design. It has come to be synonymous with a call for the upheaval of science…. for a divorce between Christianity and science. I’m all for a divorce if the call was coming from carefully laid out biological arguments from people who really understand biology. However, that is not the case.

[Darrel, the divorce we are talking about is between Christianity and an ideologically charged materialistic conception of science that stunts inquiry into the full range of causal powers that may be operating in nature. It’s a divorce between science falsely so-called and Christianity. Science without the metaphysical baggage of materialism is not being challenged. Nor is ID guaranteed to succeed once this baggage is jettisoned. It may be, once design is allowed on the playing field of science, that the evidence of biology will not demonsrate design — the methods of design detection that ID theorists have proposed do not guarantee that design will be found. As for your charge that ID proponents are not carefully laying out biological arguments and do not really understand the biology, this seems to me unfair and mistaken. Steve Meyer’s 2004 article titled “The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories” in the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington was peer-reviewed. You can find it here. Meyer understands as well as anyone the application of information theory to genetics. His piece, it seems to me, is a counteraxample to your claim. And there are many such counterexamples.]

I wish that the Movement could shift gears now … that it would stop its anti-scientific rhetoric until (or unless) it has real scientific data to support its cause. Truth wins out in the end and I am absolutely convinced that mainstream science is simply discovering how God has worked in creation. The Plausibility of Life is a magnificent book for a believer to read, as is Endless Forms Most Beautiful by Sean Carroll. I wish we could celebrate and worship in the light of what they reveal about God’s creation … recognizing nonetheless that God has likely worked through processes so subtle that we’ll never be able to pull out that which God has done, independent of God’s own natural laws, and be able to prove this supernatural activity to the world at large.

[No, the rhetoric, rather, is against a certain materialistic construal of science — see the last comment. It seems that you are happy for God to work undetected through material processes that give no evidence and exhibit no need of his activity. That may be the way God acts, but how could we know it? And how could be know whether God or some designing intelligence has acted detectably? You have your own predilections here, preferring a God a who works so subtlely that “we’ll never be able to pull out that which God has done.” In place of your wish, let me therefore offer another: I wish theistic evolutionists like you and Ken Miller and Francis Collins would shift gears now and stop dismissing the evidence of design in biology because you prefer a designer God who acts undetectably.]

Again, I want to thank you for the fact that you really have impacted the world of science in a way that will live on long after we have both moved on to a better place.

In Friendship,

Darrel

P.S. I recently expressed some of this in some talks I have given in Australia. If word gets back to you that I’ve been hard on the ID movement, please know that my concerns are no different than those which I outline above.

[Yes, a contact in Australia informed of the hard line on ID that you took there — it’s a small world after all. Thanks for your letter and for being willing to share it.]

Comments
R.Oconnor: ID is a scientific idea, not a belief system. It is simply the active pursuit, using objective means, of design detection in nature. THerefore, it is certainly possible that in any given instance, on could say "no. In this particular case, the objective means available to us do not clearly demonstrate design." while holding firmly to the idea that such detection is nevertheless a fruitful enterprise. Does this help? Why are you personally unconvinced by the examples you have read about in the ID literature? Why are you convinced (and here I make the assumption that you are, correct me if I am wrong) that purposeless and unguided processes could lead to information and the complexity of life in nature?tinabrewer
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Darrel Falk asks "Have the ID biologists been successful at demonstrating where God's hand must be at work using scientific reasoning..." The challenge of ID is that it is an inference from available evidence: it says "these systems are BEST EXPLAINED as being the result of intelligent agency, and here is why..." and then goes on to describe why this is a better explanation than the explanation offered by RM+NS. It is unlikely that it will ever be possible for it to do more than speak in terms of the probability of one over the other. But similarly, the neo-Darwinian explanation makes claims about a mechanism which has never been observed to occur: it extrapolates from small observations to general claims about life processes which become more and more improbable as our knowledge of the amount of complexity and information within those systems grows. I would like to ask Darrel Falk a couple of questions in return: 1. By what definition of science is it necessary, helpful or fruitful to maintain the working separation between our capacity to detect design and our naturalistic forays into that designed environment? 2. As a theistic evolutionist, how do you personally feel about the sociological and psychological extrapolations from Darwinism which fill our cultural airwaves (there is no such thing as 'mind' but only brains and the delusion of consciousness, 'love' is just a rosy-tinted trick played on us to get us to reproduce, God is something 'made up' by creatures who finally got enough brain cells in one place to wonder what the hell was going on around them, etc.) I would be interested in your response particularly, because every other TE I have had discussions with on this insists that these phenomena are of little interest or concern. Thankstinabrewer
June 27, 2006
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I personally hope that Intelligent Design will evolve into a force that partners with science rather than a force which opposes it
Sigh. Remind me again why ID is anti-science?Mung
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Intelligence can be a PERFECTLY NATURAL aspect of the physical world.
Or so argues Seth Lloyd in his essay "How Smart is the Universe?" in Intelligent Thought: Science Versus the Intelligent Design Movement.Mung
June 27, 2006
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Why is it that when God does everythign it is little i little d intelligent design? Is that newspeak for Darwinian unintelligent design by an Intelligent Designer?Mung
June 27, 2006
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Darrel Falk: “1. Have the ID biologists been successful at demonstrating where God’s hand must be at work using scientific reasoning, and” I can’t recall anyone in ID reasoning—scientifically or otherwise—that God’s hand MUST be at work anywhere. Did you read WmAD above? WmAD: “Science without the metaphysical baggage of materialism is not being challenged. Nor is ID guaranteed to succeed once this baggage is jettisoned. It may be, once design is allowed on the playing field of science, that the evidence of biology will not demonsrate design — the methods of design detection that ID theorists have proposed do not guarantee that design will be found.” As to whether ID has had any success as yet in detecting design--it's hard to imagine all the anger, the constant ridicule and name calling, all the obfuscation, if ID has been such an abysmal failure. What blows my mind is how someone critical of ID and impressed with the Darwinian blind watchmaker mechanism could claim to “fall facedown in worship in the detectable Presence of God.”Rude
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You may be assured that I've read the whole thing, DS. Nor was I making such a simple-minded argument. However, unless I am very much mistaken about the temperature of the water around here, the conclusions that everyone draws from ID do not seem to be consistent with an expectation that it was done by anyone other than God. It's routinely stated that atheism and immorality are the results of people accepting Darwinism over ID -- and yet why should the knowledge that life on Earth was engineered by hyper-intelligent beings in 3.5 billion BC prevent atheism or reinforce morality?

Why do questions as to why theistic evolutionists are 'ashamed' of their faith constantly brought up if nearly everyone is not, at least implicitly, assuming that at one level or another God is the designer?

I warned you not to embellish the definition of ID on the sideboard. You did. Go now and find a different blog to bother. -ds DarwinCatholic
June 27, 2006
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DaveScot: "As near as I can tell the theistic evolutionists are just afraid to admit that ID is compatible with their beliefs because they’ll be looked down upon by their peers as supporting something that’s bad for science." I believe that this is an accurate assessment. tinabrewer : “I have a lot of trouble even understanding the devotion of theistic evolutionists to the notion that the designer’s handiwork is undetectable.” This is especially difficult to understand in the case of Christian theistic evolutionists, since the "undetectable" part is antithetical to basic Christian theology, which asserts "...His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made..." In other words, design is easily detected!GilDodgen
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On Undetectability (from Darrel Falk) Please understand that it is not that I am “devoted to undetectability.” Rather, as a biologist, the arguments that I have seen put forward by ID biologists are not strong biological arguments. At least that’s how I see it, although I am aware, respectfully, that most readers will disagree with that statement. It is also important to emphasize that “undetectable” becomes very detectable once we put on Calvin’s “faith spectacles.” As a believer, God’s hand in creation in marvelously detectable, and all believers fall facedown in worship in the detectable Presence of God. The question is how do we come to detect that Presence? Can the Presence be detected through the tools of science? With that, I have two questions in my mind: 1. Have the ID biologists been successful at demonstrating where God’s hand must be at work using scientific reasoning, and 2. Should I necessarily expect to be able to detect that hand through scientific tools, especially given scriptures like “How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! "Who has known the mind of the Lord?” (Rom 11:33b, 34) or “Jews demand miraculous signs, and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified…” (I Corinthians 1:22) I appreciate the fact that most of the readers of this blog see this differently, but I respectfully wanted to clarify my thinking. In Christ, Darreldarrel falk
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Thank you, WmAD! How thankful I am for ID in all its unappeasable Capital Letter Glory! Should we stray into the nether realms of philosophy and theology I’m sure we’d all find much on which we could disagree. But how can anyone fault anything with the trunk of the ID tree (as just outlined above)? Far from posing a threat to science, ID is the antidote that will save science from the postmodernist malaise now seeping in on all sides. I am thankful that all the leading proponents of ID, whatever their theological differences, are so beautifully perceptive of the science. They refuse to water down or compromise or entwine the central thesis with peripheral issues (such as the age of the cosmos or the secularist credentials of theistic elites). Yes, ours is a political battle. But if the science is flawed, if ID gets entangled in sectarian food fights, or if as Darrel recommends it capitulates to a claim that claims nothing, then ID is finished. Why? Because intellectuals WANT to believe in Darwin and ID wins only if it’s honest and the world doesn’t become totally incorrigible. Tina rightly exclaims: “But I just can’t get my mind around this sacred devotion to undetectability.” Me thinks it smells to high heaven of cowardice and compromise. And Michaels7 perceptively notes: “It is amazing how one simply states ‘they’re a believer too’ and yet be blind to the mistreatment of scientist like Behe, et al., who are ridiculed openly without any opportuntiy [to respond] in the same magazines.” If the science were all on their side, why would they not welcome the challenge?Rude
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tinabrewer writes (comment #3): "I have a lot of trouble even understanding the devotion of theistic evolutionists to the notion that the designer’s handiwork is undetectable." Out of an interest in clarity: Does belief that intelligent agency is detectable (in principle, given the right sort of evidence) at the heart of ID, or does ID require belief that intelligent agency has been (pretty decisively) detected? The comment above suggests that those who look at the evidence cited by Dembski, et. al., but find it wanting, do so because they ascribe to the (in principle) undetectability of intelligent agency. One could (I do) regard intelligent agency as detectable (set aside the questions of whether or not this counts as science), and indeed believe that there are cases where intelligent agency constitutes the best explanation for particular phenomena or events (say throughout salvation history), while remaining unconvinced by the evidence cited in the ID literature. This does not strike me as quite so pathological as tinabrewer suggests.R. OConnor
June 27, 2006
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Tinabrewer, It's probably important to make a distinction between asserting complete undetectability (i.e. "we have no rational reason for believing God to exist, but we have faith that he does") versus asserting that while the 'thumbprint' of a creator may not be scientifically detectable in individual objects or systems, his hand is clearly visible in the overall structure of the universe. The latter is more a philosophical/metaphysical judgement than a scientific one -- and in some ways it is more in keeping with the proofs for the existence of God made throughout the first 1500 years of Christianity. Stephen M Barr wrote an article taking this position in First Things back in February, which is very much worth reading.DarwinCatholic
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I've never quite understood (and it sounds like Dr. Falk has the same problem) how it is that ID advocates move from saying something like "The conflation of ID with supernaturalism is inappropriate. What’s at issue is the nature of nature. Is nature the sort of place where telic organizing principles can operate? That’s all ID requires. It does not require supernatural designers who operate outside nature. Intelligence can be a PERFECTLY NATURAL aspect of the physical world." to saying "I wish theistic evolutionists like you and Ken Miller and Francis Collins would shift gears now and stop dismissing the evidence of design in biology because you prefer a designer God who acts undetectably."

Clearly, even if it is theoretically acceptible that life on earth were the result of intelligent design by some physical, alien species not unlike ourselves except for their advanced state of technology 3.5 billion years ago, that would do nothing to solve the 'origins' debate. Unless one is to assert that it is 'turtles all the way down' to use Hawking's phrase.

Clearly, at some point, whether directly or indirectly, life finds its origin either in creation by an eternal being or in spontaneous generation by the universe itself. And if it was created by some sort of being, than either it was done is such a way as to leave scientifically detectible proof of that creation, or it wasn't.

So why the insistance ID does not bring the supernatural in, when it at some point must?

Clearly, even if it is theoretically acceptible that life on earth were the result of intelligent design by some physical, alien species not unlike ourselves except for their advanced state of technology 3.5 billion years ago, that would do nothing to solve the ‘origins’ debate. Unless one is to assert that it is ‘turtles all the way down’ to use Hawking’s phrase. There's no guarantee the debate *CAN* be resolved. Enough evidence to determine our origins may simply not exist. One follows the evidence wherever it leads. Sometimes it leads to a dead end. For instance, it appears there's no way of knowing where or how a gravitational singularity from which the big bang started came to exist. Similarly, we don't know how big the universe is - we only know the size of the portion of it we can see and there doesn't appear to be any way to see beyond that. We don't discount our best cosmological theories because they lead to unanswerable questions. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Your objection is basically the "who designed the designer" question and it does nothing to argue against the possibility that the designer of our form of life might not be a first cause for its own existence - it can be the cause of our existence. This is talked about in the moderation policy, by the way. It's a no-no here to bring up the tired old "who designed the designer" argument. Maybe you better go read that policy all the way through before you get banned for failing to heed it. -ds DarwinCatholic
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Bill Dembski writes: "It seems that ID has now staked out a clear position, being defined as the study of patterns in nature, and especially in biology, that are best explained as the result of intelligence. Detectability of design is therefore built into this definition. The writ large version is now the standard version of ID." DaveScot responds: "I’ve always been of the position that theistic evolutionists believe in ID." This strikes me as somehow confused. On Bill's construal of ID, its defining characteristic is detectability, i.e., whether patterns of nature evidence intelligent agency (whether conceived as fully natural or not). By detectability, I gather, Bill means detectable by means of observational (scientific) data. So, if you don't think that these observed patterns are in fact best explained as resulting from intelligence, then you do not subscribe to ID. One may, on Bill's construal of intelligent design, conclude on grounds other than science (derived, say, from classic natural theology or from a Biblical theology) that there is intelligent agency directing the course of natural development. In that case, you should not be considered a proponent of ID. Right? So, ID entails id, but id does not commit one to ID. ID is not quite so bit a tent as DaveScot supposes. I'm puzzled by one other comment Bill makes. We can grant that intelligence may be a natural phenomenon -- ID leaves this an open question. But, I wonder whether it makes sense to speak of telic organizing principles that do not have their origins in an intelligent agent. Your comment suggests that ID has room for a non-agential "intelligence," a telic organizing principle of nature (as the best explanation for these patterns). Thanks for engaging this.R. OConnor
June 27, 2006
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I have a lot of trouble even understanding the devotion of theistic evolutionists to the notion that the designer's handiwork is undetectable. I can fully understand materialism (although I have no sympathy for it) and I can understand creationism (although I have little sympathy for it). But I just can't get my mind around this sacred devotion to undetectability. In my interactions with certain highly educated and intelligent people, I have noticed that there is a frank kind of embarassment or shame which they feel whenever they are confronted with sincere, uncompromising religiosity. Its the same type of horror we would (appropriately) feel if we were in a social group and someone used an offensive racist epithet. Its like "Oh no. this person is backward. They don't get it." Tragically, the people working so diligently to conjoin ID with creationism in the public mind have succeeded in provoking this response in many people. What confounds me is the fact that openly religious people, like the theistic evolutionists, should not have this response at all. Its almost like they have it, but then bury it deep inside, where no one can see, and are able to maintain this dissonance through devotion to undetectability.tinabrewer
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I've always been of the position that theistic evolutionists believe in ID. How could they not? They believe either that God stacked the deck and evolution played out according to a plan or that God intervened along the way to bring about a plan. This is totally consistent with ID. ID merely claims that there's detectable evidence of planning. Only intelligent agency plans ahead and some things, some patterns, which are easy for an intelligence to conceptualize then realize are virtually impossible without conceptualization and planning before execution. As near as I can tell the theistic evolutionists are just afraid to admit that ID is compatible with their beliefs because they'll be looked down upon by their peers as supporing something that's bad for science. The irony is that if ID is correct then working against its acceptance is what's really bad for science.DaveScot
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"Only one paper on the immune system was cited and none of the 160 papers discussed in the above review of the origin of the immune system were cited. Bill, that is not the way that good science has ever proceeded." Break.... OK. Personally, I feel Dr. Behe could reference a FEW. But, where does this lead from in the past? "In science, we give very careful analysis to the arguments of the other side." Where!?! Pardon me I do not know Dr. Falk. He approached this issue in a civil manner from what I see in this letter. However, why do Editors allow criticism of ID in their journals yet will not allow a paper on it? Thus Dr. Falk bypasses this feature of "fair play" among scientist. How is this not yellow journalism from a scientific publication? Allow Behe, Dembski, others to publish with peer review, then "give very careful analysis..." Unforunately, these sacred science mags only allow one view. "We discuss the papers, explaining what we agree with about them and what we think is still lacking… and we do so in detail. However, we don’t ignore them. ID is simply not proceeding a manner that is consistent with how good science is done." And you think Nature, Science, and all the others are "proceeding (in) a manner that is consistent with how good science is done?" They rudely condemn ID in their journals with cutting remarks and putdowns, only contempt. Then, they do not allow a paper to be published. At once they can proclaim it not science because of failure to publish, and at second, they can criticize within a safe foothold on top of the hill. Papers have been published for ID - at the hardest, but not due to lack of credibility on the authors part. Instead, the Editors in their bias refuse legitimate work to be reviewed. Thus creating a false reality to a larger public, and much maligned and ignorant media today, misleading instead of informing, debating and critiqueing openly the merits of what such a paper would highlight and propose. Nature, Science and SciAm take pokes and allow satirical comments by scientist against ID proponents - YET WILL NOT ID papers to appear. I might have "some" sympathy for such statements by the professional scientist who preen feathers of jovial brotherhood like Dr. Falk if he were equally magnanimous with such critism of said journals.. It is amazing how one simply states "they're a believer too" and yet be blind to the mistreatment of scientist like Behe, et al., who are ridiculed openly without any opportuntiy in the same magazines. The "good science" that I've seen is the continued abuse of power by current magazines to oppress any peer review paper into their journals on such subjects, YET THEY ALLOW critical commentary of same. This is tantamount to the NYT keeping records of their reporters internet connectivity, invading their privacy, not telling them, and then crying foul against all others who practice the same management of resources. The day Dr. Falk will write such a concerned letter to these "esteemed" editors - purveyors of truth, question their morals in allowing such unbalanced behavior, then and only then will I be impressed with his balanced views and claims of kinship in faith. It takes much more courage to lift up a brother in faith against such abuse, than joining the onslaught of tomato throwers from the peanut gallery. Not only has ID put in check obvious overstatements of evolutionary science, its forging ahead with a new revolution. The kaboose lags behind in the valley as usual while the little engine that could, is rounding the bend, moving up the mountain. I would point Dr. Falk to the study by MicroSoft for the year 2020 on medicine, biology, etc., in how science will proceed in the use of computers, engineering and physics to unlock the code of life.Michaels7
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